Paigowdan
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September 23rd, 2012 at 6:19:48 PM permalink
On electronic machines, NO advantage play or shot-taking is considered possible (short of using full-blown jamming and hardware cheating devices), - so if there is a weakness or AP threat, the fault is not upon the player, but on the machine's design. (Granted, Greektown casino at one time was paranoid about slot players....)

If you were tracked from your cash out tickets, it's because your action is high enough to warranted IRS/CTR reporting, that's all.
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Paigowdan
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September 23rd, 2012 at 6:20:11 PM permalink
.......dup........
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100xOdds
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September 23rd, 2012 at 6:32:21 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

On electronic machines, NO advantage play or shot-taking is considered possible (short of using full-blown jamming and hardware cheating devices), - so if there is a weakness or AP threat, the fault is not upon the player, but on the machine's design. (Granted, Greektown casino at one time was paranoid about slot players....)

If you were tracked from your cash out tickets, it's because your action is high enough to warranted IRS/CTR reporting, that's all.



ah.. so inserting the full 2000 into the machine (instead of 1000) would just make matters worse for me?

irs is not ctr!!

i can understand casinos tracking players for ctr purposes.
but thought casinos wont track for irs except when issuing a w2g???
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teddys
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September 23rd, 2012 at 7:16:09 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

irs is not ctr!!

This is correct. But it is Department of the Treasury. Same thing.
You have nothing to worry about. You are not laundering money, and the machine has detailed records of cash-in/cash-out. You can prove you won the $$. Just a degenerate gambler, not a criminal ;)
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24Bingo
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September 23rd, 2012 at 7:38:24 PM permalink
That's not the concern, though. The concern is being blacklisted, like the woman playing NSUD at Ellis Island.

But the more I think about it, the more I'm sure that the problem was that points were being dispensed on that machine at a flat rate based on average play, making consistently solid players with cards a liability, and that the volume of her play had become too much to let go. My guess would be that the points in e-craps are based on the bets made, though, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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Ibeatyouraces
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September 23rd, 2012 at 7:49:36 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
98Clubs
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September 23rd, 2012 at 7:56:53 PM permalink
I don't think you'll get 86ed, you look like a big fish tossin a grand into a machine playing +/- 100%. And I agree, the ID was for the combined 10 Grand cashout you might have... that requires a transaction report to the federales. But then again... what ARE you doing with the winnings, buying lawyers guns and drugs? If not, don't worry, be happy.
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100xOdds
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September 24th, 2012 at 12:37:11 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

I think you're being paranoid. It's probably just for tax reasons, or something to do with money laundering; I doubt they think you've beaten a video craps machine. Was it exactly $3000, or was it maybe slightly under the first time, slightly over the second?

(Are you sure it was NSUD, and not a beatable game? But even NSUD, there's a chance that she was costing them money if the machine was giving her points; then again, depending on how the craps machine calculates points, there's a chance you're costing them money.)



i definitely remember the 1st cashout being over $3000. was the 1st time i had a 4figure cash out that didnt start with a 1 or 2.
2nd time it might have been $29xx.

as for the NSUD lady, yeah she was racking up points too.
she asked the director of gaming why, and all he would say was that they no longer wanted her business. he would not give an explanation.
ug.. cant find that article. it was at least 3yrs ago that i read it at VPFree.
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September 24th, 2012 at 12:41:58 PM permalink
Find that article I would like to read it please.

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