Blacklisted by Constantly winning 2x more than what you put in the machine?

electronic craps @ md casino.

I usually put in $1000 and leave when i'm up $1000 or go broke.

well i'm up and decided to increase my bankroll + bets.
now i bring $2000 and leave when i'm up $2000 or go broke.
BUT i only put in $1000 into the machine at a time.
i figure why go thru the hassle to put in the full 2000 when i dont need to.

well i won $2000 so my cashout is $3000. (2000 profit + my original 1000.)
i did this twice. the 2nd time i cashed out they asked for my players card and wrote down my info. WTF?

that got me thinking about my account being red flagged.
i remember years ago when a lady who was a regular at Ellis Island casino in Vegas was asked to not play there anymore because she was a constant winner. She usually played NSUD video poker. (99.73% return)

so I went back and asked the cashier why she wanted my info since i never had to do that before.
she said it's because it's a big cashout. she couldnt answer why i wasnt asked for my players card the 1st time i cashed out $3000.
i should have followed up with "what if i didnt have a players card?" (you dont have to have one to play.)

should i start putting in the full $2000 now? or would a $4000 cashout bring more eyes on me?
or Am i being paranoid?

I think you're being paranoid. It's probably just for tax reasons, or something to do with money laundering; I doubt they think you've beaten a video craps machine. Was it exactly $3000, or was it maybe slightly under the first time, slightly over the second?

(Are you sure it was NSUD, and not a beatable game? But even NSUD, there's a chance that she was costing them money if the machine was giving her points; then again, depending on how the craps machine calculates points, there's a chance you're costing them money.)

Quote: 24Bingo

I think you're being paranoid. It's probably just for tax reasons, or something to do with money laundering; I doubt they think you've beaten a video craps machine. Was it exactly $3000, or was it maybe slightly under the first time, slightly over the second?

I agree, you're being very paranoid. It's VERY easy to figure out whether you are a winner or not on a machine, especially if you're playing with a card. If they want to ban you, you'll know as soon as you put that card into the machine. They probably just have to make sure you're not creating fake tickets or something. It seems like a pretty standard procedure.

They log every cashout of any ticket over $1200. It's for security and house policy reasons. There are also CTR requirements. Do not worry about your account status.

Quote: teddys

They log every cashout of any ticket over $1200. It's for security and house policy reasons. There are also CTR requirements. Do not worry about your account status.

so they dont log cashout of less than $1200??

ctr? currency transaction report?
thought they were for transactions over $10000?

and so far i'm a (short term) winning player. yeah positive variance.. lol

You are the 2nd most paranoid person I know.

Quote: 100xOdds

So far i'm a (short term) winning player. yeah positive variance.. lol

It may be classified as a slot machine, just as they do with video poker. Did they issue any W-2G's?

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You are the 2nd most paranoid person I know.

I'm not the first, am I?! ーー;

Quote: dwheatley

You are the 2nd most paranoid person I know.

You're talking about ME!! Aren't you!

Quote: SanchoPanza

It may be classified as a slot machine, just as they do with video poker. Did they issue any W-2G's?

e-craps IS classified as a slot machine. a $1200+ win (including original wager) will get you a w-2g.
i structure my presses such that i get back ~$1199 (including original wager) when i win.

ie: 3/4/5x odds, $100 passline. instead of $400 odds on the 5/9, i make it $399.
if i win, i get 598.5 + 100 + 399 = 1197.50

if 400 odds, then 600+100+400 = 1200 = W2G

On electronic machines, NO advantage play or shot-taking is considered possible (short of using full-blown jamming and hardware cheating devices), - so if there is a weakness or AP threat, the fault is not upon the player, but on the machine's design. (Granted, Greektown casino at one time was paranoid about slot players....)

If you were tracked from your cash out tickets, it's because your action is high enough to warranted IRS/CTR reporting, that's all.

.......dup........

Quote: Paigowdan

On electronic machines, NO advantage play or shot-taking is considered possible (short of using full-blown jamming and hardware cheating devices), - so if there is a weakness or AP threat, the fault is not upon the player, but on the machine's design. (Granted, Greektown casino at one time was paranoid about slot players....)

If you were tracked from your cash out tickets, it's because your action is high enough to warranted IRS/CTR reporting, that's all.

ah.. so inserting the full 2000 into the machine (instead of 1000) would just make matters worse for me?

irs is not ctr!!

i can understand casinos tracking players for ctr purposes.
but thought casinos wont track for irs except when issuing a w2g???

Quote: 100xOdds

irs is not ctr!!

This is correct. But it is Department of the Treasury. Same thing.
You have nothing to worry about. You are not laundering money, and the machine has detailed records of cash-in/cash-out. You can prove you won the $$. Just a degenerate gambler, not a criminal ;)

That's not the concern, though. The concern is being blacklisted, like the woman playing NSUD at Ellis Island.

But the more I think about it, the more I'm sure that the problem was that points were being dispensed on that machine at a flat rate based on average play, making consistently solid players with cards a liability, and that the volume of her play had become too much to let go. My guess would be that the points in e-craps are based on the bets made, though, so that shouldn't be a problem.

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I don't think you'll get 86ed, you look like a big fish tossin a grand into a machine playing +/- 100%. And I agree, the ID was for the combined 10 Grand cashout you might have... that requires a transaction report to the federales. But then again... what ARE you doing with the winnings, buying lawyers guns and drugs? If not, don't worry, be happy.

Quote: 24Bingo

I think you're being paranoid. It's probably just for tax reasons, or something to do with money laundering; I doubt they think you've beaten a video craps machine. Was it exactly $3000, or was it maybe slightly under the first time, slightly over the second?

(Are you sure it was NSUD, and not a beatable game? But even NSUD, there's a chance that she was costing them money if the machine was giving her points; then again, depending on how the craps machine calculates points, there's a chance you're costing them money.)

i definitely remember the 1st cashout being over $3000. was the 1st time i had a 4figure cash out that didnt start with a 1 or 2.
2nd time it might have been $29xx.

as for the NSUD lady, yeah she was racking up points too.
she asked the director of gaming why, and all he would say was that they no longer wanted her business. he would not give an explanation.
ug.. cant find that article. it was at least 3yrs ago that i read it at VPFree.

Find that article I would like to read it please.