teddys
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August 10th, 2012 at 9:12:15 AM permalink
Comps and especially freeplay are very important to me. I don't play with enough of an edge to be positive off the top, so they make gambling a break-even proposition.
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TinhornGambler
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August 10th, 2012 at 9:40:43 AM permalink
The Nevada casino’s are on a spiral of death.
Nevada has suffered another monthly loss . (June 6% loss in gambling revenue.)

They raised the hold on VP and slot machines, raised casino table game limits, and decreased table game payouts … so why not screw up the loyalty and comp program.

How about giving the public a fair shake when they play.
What motivates players … winning and dollar value.
1. Reduce the casino hold on the slot machines and VP.
2. Lower gaming table limits.
3. Increase pays.
4. Provide an atmosphere for return business and not take everyone’s money and kick them out the door.

Sure there are takers ( who do not produce value for the casino) however, my guess is that everyone walking through the door on the average is a $40 to $80 winner for the casino. (local casino’s)

Everyone wants value and it seems like nobody wins, because cut-backs defeat ….. inducement in my book.
Comps and promotions give the player some satisfaction in getting some value for their dollar.

This could be a viscous cycle with no Winners.
RaleighCraps
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August 10th, 2012 at 10:03:47 AM permalink
If the casino hotel was filled to capacity, and the casino was turning away customers, then by all means they should look at eliminating perks for $10-$20 gamblers. But that $10-$20 gambler may also be playing for 12 hours at a time.

As others have said, I choose where I play, mostly due to comps. I play at Beau Rivage because they have very good craps rules, but more so because they provide me with a room, and flight, to get there. If the flight and/or room comp goes away, so do I. I like the place a lot, but not enough to spend money to get there. But, since they are comp'ing me, I feel like I need to concentrate the majority of my play at Beau. But there are other casino's that are just a trolley ride away in Biloxi.

I used to spend a couple of hours or so at Harrah's Grand. When I was a Diamond card holder, I would spend more time there, making sure I earned some good credits. But their Diamond Lounge went downhill in a big way, and my Harrah's play declined so much that I am now a Gold card. However, they have sent me $40 in Free play, so I will head over there, play craps for $200 to see if lightning will strike quickly, and probably run $100+$40 FP through my favorite $1 slot. So they will get $300 in BR risked by me, for their $40 FP. If that goes away, I have no reason to go to the Grand.

Same story at the IP. I have had terrible luck at their craps tables, so much so that I have not placed a single craps bet my last 3 times in the place. But, they give me decent FP (my wife loves a couple of their slots), and I had a nice win on PGP, so we always give them a couple of hours of action as well. Again, if that perk was to go away, so would all of my play.

I have heard the Palace is recently renovated, and completely non-smoking. I may hit them up on my upcoming trip, as the non-smoking aspect is very appealing to me.

Bottom Line - The Biloxi casinos are fighting for my play, whether or not they realize it.

Now Hollywood PA is different. That is the closest casino to me that I am willing to drive to and play, even though they are notoriously stingy with comps. It is about 6.5 hrs away. Hollywood, WV is about 4.5 hours away, but I did not care for it the only time I played there, and their craps rules suck. Harrah's Cherokee is 5 hours, but they do not have craps just yet (I read it is coming soon), and I am suspecting their craps rules will suck too. Anyone of these casinos could win my action if one of them was to start offering me a good comp. Even Hollywood WV could win, in spite of the bad craps rules.

But as it exists now, I will drive to Hollywood PA to play, but I do stay for free with friends. If the friends were not there, and Hollywood would not give me a room, I'm not sure I would play there either. I guess I am not going to pay money to stay somewhere, just so I can gamble money there too.
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SanchoPanza
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August 10th, 2012 at 2:45:09 PM permalink
Most other factors being roughly equal or at least similar, comp whores gravitate to the best deals. No loyalty to me=no loyalty to them.
FleaStiff
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August 10th, 2012 at 3:06:21 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

. No loyalty to me=no loyalty to them.

Yeah, that's about it. If casinos want to get really tight... let them. We will all re-evaluate our options and most of us do have options to go elsewhere and be at least no worse off. I really enjoyed the non-smoking Palace in Biloxi. Nice people, nice dealers. I even made some money at their craps table but was so dehydrated from my travels that I wasn't quite functioning mentally. Very helpful employees who offered me water and an upholstered chair. Much better attitude at The Palace than at the old Isle of Capri with its " we will not help you get to a different casino" attitude.
NokTang
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August 10th, 2012 at 8:10:08 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

Hollywood, WV is about 4.5 hours away, but I did not care for it the only time I played there, and their craps rules suck..



How can the craps rules suck? Not meaning this as a stupid question but never heard of it in the USA.

Regarding comps, the old Harvey's in Lake Tahoe counted odds in your "average bet" but I've never experienced this in any other casino. Do they now include the odds bets in your average bet(aka a factor in comps) any place(on earth)? Thanks.
toastcmu
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August 11th, 2012 at 6:30:34 AM permalink
Raleigh says the craps rules suck mainly because they limit the odds bet to 2x or 3x most of the time and the field bet is the "higher" house edge. Also, since they are the only casino 'close' to DC, they don't give out comps really unless you are betting black and above from what I have observed.

-B
Sphincter
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August 11th, 2012 at 5:24:37 PM permalink
Honestly guys, I am sick and tired of casinos going on the cheap just because of the "economy."

Every time I get denied a comp, I just tell the rep that Mr. Bougini wouldn't be happy to hear of this problem. Apparently Mr. Bougini is well known
RaleighCraps
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August 12th, 2012 at 2:31:30 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

How can the craps rules suck? Not meaning this as a stupid question but never heard of it in the USA.

Regarding comps, the old Harvey's in Lake Tahoe counted odds in your "average bet" but I've never experienced this in any other casino. Do they now include the odds bets in your average bet(aka a factor in comps) any place(on earth)? Thanks.



As has been mentioned, 2x odds for starters. I will always take at least 5x odds if I can get them.
Vig up front on the 4 and 10.
2x only on the field 2/12.
They also combine your 4 and 10 bet. Buy the 4 and 10 for $50 each, and they will charge you a $5 vig, instead of the usual $4 ($2 for each $50 bet).
That is the one that is the most egregious rule to me, and would be really dangerous for me to be playing at. Sooner of later, I am going to get in a foul mood, and really rip into someone about how they can take 2 separate bets and combine them into one play.

Add this all up, and I say it sux, and will take my play elsewhere.
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