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January 2nd, 2020 at 3:08:36 PM permalink
Another problem with weed is you probably won't be driving erratically. For most people, especially regular smokers, weed does not completely mess you up. I could drive basically fine while high.

Driving high is like driving slightly drunk. You aren't going to barrel down the wrong side of the street. But you are a bit impaired and when you need to react quickly you might be less able to.

Most people are not going to have pot in the car or smell of pot. Lol.

Quote: AZDuffman

The stoners seem to be the ones losing here. Their posts reek of them seeking approval by saying “it ain’t as bad as other stuff.”

They do not state how getting stoned is a great thing.



If you think that saying diminished hand eye coordination is worse than a stroke is winning an argument, you just might be a flat earther.

And nobody ever said smoking pot is an unambiguously good thing. Just that it's not a catastrophy and it's better than alcohol. It actually does have benifits for some people.

Your argument is that it's the same thing as meth because people use it as an escape. Totally absurd.

By that logic, both talk radio and TV should be outlawed.

At least pot users knowingly escape reality for a short while. Rather than spend their whole lives in a fake reality, like flat earthers and such.

All the experts and imperial evidence are wrong because of something I saw on reality TV... I'd rather be on meth.
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All the experts and imperial evidence are wrong because of something I saw on reality TV... I'd rather be on meth.

Can't get enough of that "imperial evidence".
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January 2nd, 2020 at 3:47:34 PM permalink
back to the Remember When theme

you often see or hear talk of the old manual typewriters

but I remember from elementary school - before copiers were invented - a machine you never hear about any more - the mimeograph machine

the teach had to step out of the classroom from time to time to make some "mimeos" of something


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A newt?



He got better.

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(some BS about impairment)



C'mon, guy. You've watched me do 200' wheelies, play ice hockey, scale cliff faces, race stock cars; I could do one foot on ice skates while juggling with a lit one in my teeth and you know this. Desperation does not become you.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 4:20:23 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster



you often see or hear talk of the old manual typewriters

but I remember from elementary school - before copiers were invented - a machine you never hear about any more - the mimeograph machine

the teach had to step out of the classroom from time to time to make some "mimeos" of something


I think there was another popular one called at Ditto machine (maybe the same?)

It was before my time but apparently had purple ink with a very distinctive smell.

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back to the Remember When theme


Back in the “good old days” DUI’s brushed under the rug as not a big deal.

I’ve heard many times that if a cop pulled you over drunk, he’d often just let you drive home and follow you.

I know some police departments in small town / high income areas will often not even make an arrest for DUI. You still get the charge and everything, but they don’t cuff you and just have you call someone for a ride home.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 4:30:32 PM permalink
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I’ve heard many times that if a cop pulled you over drunk, he’d often just let you drive home and follow you.

I know some police departments in small town / high income areas will often not even make an arrest for DUI. You still get the charge and everything, but they don’t cuff you and just have you call someone for a ride home.



Before it was the industrial complex it is now there was no incentive for the cops to ruin your life when you were blocks from home.

An interesting thing on "old days DUI" though. My dad had a 1947 Cadillac and he got a 1947 PA State Inspection Sticker, a finishing touch in the old car hobby. The sticker had a PSA on the back saying to avoid DUI (they worded it different) and the "next campaign begins xx/xx/1947."

So it was indeed a bit of a thing way back.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 7:45:44 PM permalink
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I know some police departments in small town / high income areas will often not even make an arrest for DUI. You still get the charge and everything, but they don’t cuff you and just have you call someone for a ride home.



My step-son got pulled over a few years ago in Las Vegas and the police told him if he could get a family member there in 30 minutes to drive him home he would let him go. I was there in about 10 minutes.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 8:56:42 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Driving high is like driving slightly drunk. You aren't going to barrel down the wrong side of the street.



The average drunk driver gets caught
once for every 40 times he drives
drunk. That's the stat. So they are
driving pretty well, they for the
most part aren't doing anything
noticeably wrong.
The point is, both pot and alcohol
will impair driving, and you can
get DUI's for both. Cops are very
savvy about spotting impaired
driving under any substance now.

You should really watch Live PD on
YouTube. It's not just a 'reality' show,
it's real cops pulling over real people
in real time. The number of people
they stop that reek of pot is unreal.
Because just like drunk drivers who
only get caught once every 40
times, pot users get away with it
too, so they get lazy and carry it
and smoke it in their cars.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 8:59:30 PM permalink
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a machine you never hear about any more - the mimeograph machine



You could get high inhaling the fumes
from a newly made stack of mimeo
sheets. Feel like you were floating
on air.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 11:41:38 PM permalink
Once in forty can be the FIRST time.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 12:41:31 AM permalink
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Once in forty can be the FIRST time.



Or the last time. One in 40 is the
average.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 6:19:46 AM permalink
first remote control TVs - 1950 - how many people tripped over the wire?


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January 3rd, 2020 at 7:51:52 AM permalink
I remember those "ditto machines" when I was in middle school in the late 80's. Maybe even from high school in the early 90's; I don't quite remember, but surely there were some still in use around that time.

I don't remember the wired TV remotes specifically but we were using a wired VCR remote well into the 80's.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 9:38:05 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Or the last time. One in 40 is the
average.



This would be extremely surprising to me. I can watch my local bar and see dozens leaving who would be legally DUI. I doubt that there is one arrest per week, let alone one arrest per day. It's another statistic that I have no idea how they would figure out. So one I'd have no confidence in.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 10:15:43 AM permalink
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first remote control TVs - 1950 - how many people tripped over the wire?




I had one in the 70's. An electric motor
clicked the channel selector around one
channel at a time. It was wonderful.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 10:48:37 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The average drunk driver gets caught
once for every 40 times he drives
drunk. That's the stat. So they are
driving pretty well, they for the
most part aren't doing anything
noticeably wrong.
The point is, both pot and alcohol
will impair driving, and you can
get DUI's for both. Cops are very
savvy about spotting impaired
driving under any substance now.

You should really watch Live PD on
YouTube. It's not just a 'reality' show,
it's real cops pulling over real people
in real time. The number of people
they stop that reek of pot is unreal.
Because just like drunk drivers who
only get caught once every 40
times, pot users get away with it
too, so they get lazy and carry it
and smoke it in their cars.



It always amazes me the dope users who’s cars are all a mess with the stuff. They can’t even wait to get home? If you are keeping dope in a car wouldn’t you keep the car clean?
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January 3rd, 2020 at 10:52:57 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

This would be extremely surprising to me. I can watch my local bar and see dozens leaving who would be legally DUI. I doubt that there is one arrest per week, let alone one arrest per day. It's another statistic that I have no idea how they would figure out. So one I'd have no confidence in.



I agree with you. I work in the bar business in Las Vegas and I would guess about half of the patrons are driving drunk each night.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 1:22:00 PM permalink
2020 is cool because, assuming you want to deal in facts, it takes a few seconds or minutes to find them.

"the Colorado Division of Criminal Justice reports that cannabis alone accounts for about 6% of DUIs, while more than 90% of impaired drivers are under the influence alcohol or a combination of drugs and alcohol."

https://www.scramsystems.com/blog/2018/08/in-best-known-pot-state-most-impaired-driving-still-linked-to-alcohol/

So, either mj users are far more responsible than alcohol users, or much harder to catch.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 1:29:03 PM permalink
Who smokes pot anymore? Especially in public when you can vape it discreetly?
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January 3rd, 2020 at 1:36:33 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

So, either mj users are far more responsible than alcohol users, or much harder to catch.



It's easier to function while high versus drunk. At least in my personal experience.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 1:38:40 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux



So, either mj users are far more responsible than alcohol users, or much harder to catch.



Or the most logical reason, far far
fewer drive when baked than
when drinking. When I smoked
I was incapable of driving, all
I could do was stare at the TV with
my mouth open and think I was
really accomplishing something.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 1:59:55 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Or the most logical reason, far far
fewer drive when baked than
when drinking. When I smoked
I was incapable of driving, all
I could do was stare at the TV with
my mouth open and think I was
really accomplishing something.




If true, that's a point for mj.

It's not true though. That happens a lot if your idea of logic is just making things up based on cherry picked anecdotes.

If you do pot with any regularity, it just doesn't mess you up that much and many stones think they can drive fine while high and might be right.

'Epidemiological studies have been inconclusive regarding whether cannabis use causes an increased risk of accidents; in contrast, unanimity exists that alcohol use increases crash risk. Furthermore, the risk from driving under the influence of both alcohol and cannabis is greater than the risk of driving under the influence of either alone. Future research '

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/

Imo even though the evidence is inconclusive, best to be cautious.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 2:08:22 PM permalink
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Who smokes pot anymore?



Who pays taxes on weed?

F@#$ sake, next you'll be telling me people register their firearms lol
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January 3rd, 2020 at 2:08:58 PM permalink
I can’t recall if a strong marijuana high makes you near blind. But I recall that experience when drunk enough. I would call it needing glasses real bad and even having double vision. Anyone driving in that condition is a severe danger.
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All the things my friends did under alcohol were worse things than anything I saw them do while stoned. One broke the window in his front door with his fist, One drove his car into a palm tree and nearly killed himself. One brought out his gun at a party when he was mad at his wife. One drove into a parked car and totaled his car.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 2:27:43 PM permalink
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It's not true though.



Here's what is true. 15% of
CO uses pot on any kind of
regular basis and 54%
drinks on any kind of
regular basis. Which
accounts for far more
getting DWI's than pot
smokers.
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Quote: EvenBob

Here's what is true. 15% of
CO uses pot on any kind of
regular basis and 54%
drinks on any kind of
regular basis. Which
accounts for far more
getting DWI's than pot
smokers.



So of "regular users", drinkers make up 75% of the total yet get 95% of the charges.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 2:43:38 PM permalink
...also when I was in college, the guy in the dormitory room next to me had a keg party and fell backwards out of his second story window. We all thought it was funny, ‘cause he wasn’t injured too bad.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 3:35:12 PM permalink
Guess I'm lucky... the worst thing I've ever done while drunk is throw up and make an ass of myself in front of girls I was trying to hit on.

"Worst" thing I ever did while high was get real paranoid and start cleaning the house to distract my mind.
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January 4th, 2020 at 5:52:59 AM permalink
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Who smokes pot anymore? Especially in public when you can vape it discreetly?


Getting that Vaping Disease the Health Departments are talking about makes you lose lung tissue, none too discretely.
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January 9th, 2020 at 12:36:52 PM permalink
I remember when there were no
plastic bags. All our school lunch
sandwiches were wrapped in wax
paper. And all the grocery stores
had nothing but paper bags.

Sandwich bags came out in 1957
but I didn't see one till the early
60's. Plastic in the stores came
mid 60's. Some of our paper bags
got used, but most ended up in
the burn barrel, which everybody
had in their back yard. Only chore
I enjoyed, the barrel was my domain.
What 10 year old kid doesn't like
burning trash.

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January 9th, 2020 at 1:27:45 PM permalink
Pretty sure we had Tupperware.
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January 9th, 2020 at 1:42:29 PM permalink
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Pretty sure we had Tupperware.



The early sandwich bags came
on rolls and were as thin as
Saran Wrap. They were awful
to deal with.

We didn't even carry lunch
boxes because we would
forget to bring them home
half the time. Brown bagging
it for us.
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January 9th, 2020 at 2:13:01 PM permalink
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January 9th, 2020 at 4:46:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I remember when there were no
plastic bags. All our school lunch
sandwiches were wrapped in wax
paper. And all the grocery stores
had nothing but paper bags.

Sandwich bags came out in 1957
but I didn't see one till the early
60's. Plastic in the stores came
mid 60's. Some of our paper bags
got used, but most ended up in
the burn barrel, which everybody
had in their back yard. Only chore
I enjoyed, the barrel was my domain.
What 10 year old kid doesn't like
burning trash.



I miss paper "barrel bag" grocery bags. Used to reuse many for trash cans inside the house. I remember in the grocery biz when we gave a choice "paper or plastic." What a disaster. Old ladies wanted "paper inside plastic" which drove management nuts and was a pain to do. One customer actually worked in the plastic bag factory and always told us "PLASTIC!"

Right now I reuse the plastic grocery bags for lunches at work and enjoy saving a ton over the cafeteria. Like $1,000 this year projected. I even reuse plastic sandwich bags that are not dirty as I hate waste so much.
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January 9th, 2020 at 9:38:09 PM permalink
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Right now I reuse the plastic grocery bags for lunches at work



We have a grocery chain here that
has great bags. They're big and
twice as thick as Walmart. I always
grab an extra 20 unused bags when
I'm there, I use them for everything.

Plastic bags cost about a penny and
we use 500 billion of them every year
on the planet. We are drowning in
plastic bags.
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January 9th, 2020 at 11:15:12 PM permalink
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We are drowning in plastic bags.

Actually we are eating plastic bags with every forkful of marine life. I always hated that ""paper or plastic"" question and would from time to time tell them to make a decision on their own without trying to yap at me.
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January 10th, 2020 at 3:27:15 AM permalink
original hipster - Ed Byrnes - "Kookie" from 77 Sunset Strip just passed
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"A dark seven” (a depressing week); “piling up the Z’s” (getting some sleep); “headache grapplers” (aspirin); “buzzed by germsville” (to become ill); and, most emblematically, “Baby, you’re the ginchiest!” — a phrase of the highest Kookian approbation."




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January 10th, 2020 at 4:04:33 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

We have a grocery chain here that
has great bags. They're big and
twice as thick as Walmart. I always
grab an extra 20 unused bags when
I'm there, I use them for everything.

Plastic bags cost about a penny and
we use 500 billion of them every year
on the planet. We are drowning in
plastic bags.



That is actually just over 1 per person per day.

In the very late 80s they supposedly switched to some kind of degradable bag, Don't remember what became of it. One old goof in the store tried to convince us they fell apart right when he got home. He was the kind of goof who made up all kinds of stories so we never believed him on anything.

My store is offering a bonus to free gas every time you BYO. I'll wait until I see a super deal on the cloth ones which I know will come sooner or later. Thing is I do reuse plastic for those lunches or some trash. At Aldi I just take a box off the shelf, which they want you to do.
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January 10th, 2020 at 4:24:20 PM permalink
As of January 27 Wegmans will no longer have plastic bags. BYOreusable bag or pay 5 cents for a paper one. Wegmans has announced all money collected from the 5 cent charge will be donated to charity. I own a bunch of the reusable bags. I hope this will be a kick in my ass to remember to bring them with me.....
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January 10th, 2020 at 5:08:46 PM permalink
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As of January 27 Wegmans will no longer have plastic bags. BYOreusable bag or pay 5 cents for a paper one. Wegmans has announced all money collected from the 5 cent charge will be donated to charity. I own a bunch of the reusable bags. I hope this will be a kick in my ass to remember to bring them with me.....



I am pretty sure I will just spend the five cents per bag. That would probably cost me less than $8 a year.
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January 10th, 2020 at 8:35:15 PM permalink
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As of January 27 Wegmans will no longer have plastic bags. BYOreusable bag or pay 5 cents for a paper one. Wegmans has announced all money collected from the 5 cent charge will be donated to charity. I own a bunch of the reusable bags. I hope this will be a kick in my ass to remember to bring them with me.....



Our local giant eagle announce last month that they are removing them within the next 6 months. Makes me wonder if they are saying because of earth but it is a way to save a bunch of money. Cant imagine what they spend on bags.
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January 11th, 2020 at 5:02:26 AM permalink
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Our local giant eagle announce last month that they are removing them within the next 6 months. Makes me wonder if they are saying because of earth but it is a way to save a bunch of money. Cant imagine what they spend on bags.



It is to save cash. I worked there in the late 80s and even then bags could kill a store. We got yelled at if we double bagged too much, though at one store we had so many requests (lots of walkers) almost everyone did it all the time. I have noticed they give you a "perk" for bringing a bag, One day I will buy a reusable, I figure around the switch they will sell those cheap.

Though I read the reusables are no great thing "for the environment." Add in the materials to make, the production process, and the laundry and they have their own problems.

As to GE, I just saved $40 or more because a $5 product was scanning $1 for like a week, so I am ahead of them for quite some time.
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January 11th, 2020 at 8:29:07 AM permalink
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Though I read the reusables are no great thing "for the environment." Add in the materials to make, the production process, and the laundry and they have their own problems.



That's probably true, but there has to be a break-even point where they're still better than paper or plastic bags in the long run. I know I've been using some of my reusable bags every week for almost ten years now, and they're probably good for at least ten years more, if not longer.
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January 11th, 2020 at 9:26:24 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

That's probably true, but there has to be a break-even point where they're still better than paper or plastic bags in the long run. I know I've been using some of my reusable bags every week for almost ten years now, and they're probably good for at least ten years more, if not longer.



Yes, and I reuse my plastic ones. Point is there is no free lunch.
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January 11th, 2020 at 10:50:07 AM permalink
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Yes, and I reuse my plastic ones.



I do, too, but not every week for 10 years.

Nobody is saying there's a "free lunch" when it comes to this. But one option is better in the long run.
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January 11th, 2020 at 11:28:49 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I do, too, but not every week for 10 years.

Nobody is saying there's a "free lunch" when it comes to this. But one option is better in the long run.



We do not know that for sure. 20 years ago plastic was the "better option" to save trees. Hard rules like this usually backfire, read up on how China has been and is now stopping taking our recycled plastic trash.
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AxelWolf
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January 11th, 2020 at 3:02:08 PM permalink
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if you were 23 in 1995 that would make you 48 now - WOW!!! - I thought you were younger



😄 😄😄

Yeah I'm somewhere around that age, I try to forget.

Thanks. I don't believe I think, act or live like an old f***. Hopefully I never will.

Someone shoot me if I become an old grumpy curmudgeon.
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January 11th, 2020 at 4:00:02 PM permalink
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Someone shoot me if I become an old grumpy curmudgeon.



If you do you will have to move to Michigan and learn a roulette system.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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