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DRich
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September 22nd, 2022 at 2:54:03 PM permalink
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I think I dated her.
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September 22nd, 2022 at 3:34:21 PM permalink
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I think I dated her.
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Is she one of your wives?
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September 22nd, 2022 at 3:43:41 PM permalink
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EB brings up an interesting point... if his high school teacher friend says everything started going to hell in the late 1970s, that would be kids who were 15-18, starting in, let's say, 1976. That gives us some birth years of 1958 to 1961 on the lower end, which was approaching the tail end of the Boomer generation. So why did it start there? Of course, the Boomers' parents were WWII era, and a lot of those folks were dealing with trauma and PTSD, and may not have been the best parents. Then you have the proliferation of leaded gasoline in the '50s, '60s, and '70s, which, if you believe the scientific studies, had a demonstrable negative effect on intelligence. Throw in the Vietnam War and all the other political strife of the '70s, and the problems just kept coming when THOSE people started having kids, then the spread of harder drugs in the '80s, larger urban areas leading to more crime, etc., etc., etc. EB is wrong as usual, though, and getting rid of dress codes had nothing to do with a loss of discipline. There have been far bigger problems at hand over the years.
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Dress codes are an integral part of keeping discipline in school. This is why Catholic schools have dress codes and most private schools have dress codes because it keeps everybody in line. Getting rid of dress code was just part of it. In the seventies in movies and on TV they started portraying kids as being sarcastic smart asses to their teachers in class and real life kids started mimicking that. There's a direct connection between what we saw on TV and in the movies and what was happening in schools. You never saw that kind of thing in the 60s, teachers were respected.
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Totally agree. You can see the same in adults who work in a formal vs a business casual place. Other things do enter into it of course, but people behave different if they are required to be in some sort of uniform. I missed them adding a dress code in Catholic school by IIRC one year. But for guys the "uniform" was a choice of like 2 colors of shirt and 2-3 of pants. The girls got traditional Catholic school uniforms which they always had the option of before.
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September 22nd, 2022 at 9:24:40 PM permalink
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EB brings up an interesting point... if his high school teacher friend says everything started going to hell in the late 1970s, that would be kids who were 15-18, starting in, let's say, 1976. That gives us some birth years of 1958 to 1961 on the lower end, which was approaching the tail end of the Boomer generation. So why did it start there? Of course, the Boomers' parents were WWII era, and a lot of those folks were dealing with trauma and PTSD, and may not have been the best parents. Then you have the proliferation of leaded gasoline in the '50s, '60s, and '70s, which, if you believe the scientific studies, had a demonstrable negative effect on intelligence. Throw in the Vietnam War and all the other political strife of the '70s, and the problems just kept coming when THOSE people started having kids, then the spread of harder drugs in the '80s, larger urban areas leading to more crime, etc., etc., etc. EB is wrong as usual, though, and getting rid of dress codes had nothing to do with a loss of discipline. There have been far bigger problems at hand over the years.
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Dress codes are an integral part of keeping discipline in school. This is why Catholic schools have dress codes and most private schools have dress codes because it keeps everybody in line. Getting rid of dress code was just part of it. In the seventies in movies and on TV they started portraying kids as being sarcastic smart asses to their teachers in class and real life kids started mimicking that. There's a direct connection between what we saw on TV and in the movies and what was happening in schools. You never saw that kind of thing in the 60s, teachers were respected.
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Totally agree. You can see the same in adults who work in a formal vs a business casual place. Other things do enter into it of course, but people behave different if they are required to be in some sort of uniform. I missed them adding a dress code in Catholic school by IIRC one year. But for guys the "uniform" was a choice of like 2 colors of shirt and 2-3 of pants. The girls got traditional Catholic school uniforms which they always had the option of before.
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Imagine the military without dress codes, there would be no discipline; the stricter the dress codes the stricter the discipline. Every military doesn't wear uniforms because it's cool, they do it to control the troops. You lose your individuality when you're forced to wear uniform even if it's in private school. You become more submissive and more apt to follow the rules and do what you're told.
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September 23rd, 2022 at 3:13:25 AM permalink
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Imagine the military without dress codes, there would be no discipline; the stricter the dress codes the stricter the discipline. Every military doesn't wear uniforms because it's cool, they do it to control the troops. You lose your individuality when you're forced to wear uniform even if it's in private school. You become more submissive and more apt to follow the rules and do what you're told.
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Correct. Remember we talked a little about this in thread about more women becoming nuns on the other side? For those who did not see it, there is an uptick in women becoming nuns the past few years. Some are disappointed that many orders do not wear the habit anymore, they just wear plain clothes. While the work is the same and street clothes are probably more practical for most things the habit adds a sense of belonging and purpose.

I can say the same from working the casino parties. The "uniform" is just a dress code, but it makes you feel like you are at work and something of a professional. When we train people the one guy even wears his to make the point.
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September 23rd, 2022 at 5:44:10 AM permalink
I don't think you need uniforms because of some magical property, but it makes sense for several practical matters. A leader can tell at a glance who is who and what status everyone holds in an organization from a glance whether they know the person or not. And everyone is guaranteed to meet the same dress code since everyone is dressed in organization in approved clothes. And they can identify what jobs a person does. Many organizations do use a partial uniform requirement, even if it's just managers with ties.

It would be interesting to see if kids in uniforms are more behaved when the teacher is out of the classroom than kids without uniforms.
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September 23rd, 2022 at 5:58:29 AM permalink
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I don't think you need uniforms because of some magical property, but it makes sense for several practical matters. A leader can tell at a glance who is who and what status everyone holds in an organization from a glance whether they know the person or not. And everyone is guaranteed to meet the same dress code since everyone is dressed in organization in approved clothes. And they can identify what jobs a person does. Many organizations do use a partial uniform requirement, even if it's just managers with ties.

It would be interesting to see if kids in uniforms are more behaved when the teacher is out of the classroom than kids without uniforms.
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The kids wore uniforms in Lord of the Flies.
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October 2nd, 2022 at 1:54:35 AM permalink
Remember when you had to constantly adjust the color on your color TV so that it looked realistic back in the 70s and 80s. Remember that you would go into some people's houses and they would have the color adjusted so it was like blasting Neon at you off the screen. They always had the color cranked way up. Thank God those days are long gone. I have said here before more than once that I got my first color tv in 1970 and it was one of the biggest events in my life and to this day it still is. It captivated me for the next two years at least. Every day was a pleasure because all the reruns from the 1960s and all the current shows we're now in color. I was in heaven.
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October 2nd, 2022 at 2:48:14 AM permalink
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Remember when you had to constantly adjust the color on your color TV so that it looked realistic back in the 70s and 80s. Remember that you would go into some people's houses and they would have the color adjusted so it was like blasting Neon at you off the screen. They always had the color cranked way up. Thank God those days are long gone. I have said here before more than once that I got my first color tv in 1970 and it was one of the biggest events in my life and to this day it still is. It captivated me for the next two years at least. Every day was a pleasure because all the reruns from the 1960s and all the current shows we're now in color. I was in heaven.
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Remember when that color TV had 2 little colored squares that showed it was a color TV and the color of those squares changed by the angle you looked at them?
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October 2nd, 2022 at 1:34:16 PM permalink
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Remember when you had to constantly adjust the color on your color TV so that it looked realistic back in the 70s and 80s. Remember that you would go into some people's houses and they would have the color adjusted so it was like blasting Neon at you off the screen. They always had the color cranked way up. Thank God those days are long gone. I have said here before more than once that I got my first color tv in 1970 and it was one of the biggest events in my life and to this day it still is. It captivated me for the next two years at least. Every day was a pleasure because all the reruns from the 1960s and all the current shows we're now in color. I was in heaven.
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Remember when that color TV had 2 little colored squares that showed it was a color TV and the color of those squares changed by the angle you looked at them?
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People born after 1970 will never have any idea what a big deal color TV was in the 60s and 70s. In the 60s if you got a big color TV console you put the big box that it came in out by the road for the garbage man for days before you were supposed to cuz you want all your neighbors to see that you just bought a $3,000 television. I remember in the early sixties a neighbor had a Bonanza party every Sunday when he had his relatives come over and they all watched Bonanza because it was the only show on TV besides Ed Sullivan that was in color. Even in 1970 when I bought my first color tv is 16 in Zenith I got it at Sears on credit it was $400 which in today's money is over $3,000. Last year I went to Walmart and bought a flat screen color TV for my office 19" for under $100. That first color tv was absolutely the best purchase I ever made as far as getting pleasure out of it goes even better than my first computer. Which was mostly an expensive pain-in-the-ass.
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