Remember When

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I only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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All new and used car dealers are still closed around here on Sunday but I've been told it's more of a banking issue than anything else. You can't do anything with loans or anything monetary when the banks are closed. People do a lot of car shopping at the lots on Sunday with no buying.

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I only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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Maybe 15 years ago, I remember a lot of the places we travelled for business, you couldn't order an alcoholic drink in a restaurant on a Sunday.

These weren't mystical faraway lands, but places like South Carolina. A quick check shows this might still be the case.

In 1961 I started junior high and my parents started giving me an allowance of $5 a week. This was a tremendous windfall for a kid in 1961. You could still buy comic books for 10 cents, you could buy so much candy you couldn't eat it all, not that I did anyway. You could still buy most paperback books for 35 cents each. At my school library used paperbacks cost a nickel. Soft drinks out of a machine cost 10 cents. In 1961 you could see a movie and buy a ton of concession candy for a dollar. I was hard pressed to spend that $5 and I actually started saving money up. I felt rich most of the time.

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I only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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I remember when every barber shop had his union card displayed and it said "Closed Mondays" and usually also Sunday, because closing Monday was the union rule.

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I only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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I remember when every barber shop had his union card displayed and it said "Closed Mondays" and usually also Sunday, because closing Monday was the union rule.
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I still go to the same barber I went to in 1961 only it's his son that runs it now. It's a very small building that he built in 1950 and it was totally paid for and he owned the land so he was always his own boss no matter what the economy was doing he was always going to flourish. In those days barbers and TV repairman were notorious for paying as a little as possible on their income tax because they were in a total cash business. The old barbers son I've known since he was a kid and that place is always packed from morning till night everyday except Sunday and Monday. He makes a fortune and I'm sure he's still circumvents a lot of the taxes. The TV repair guy said a couple times a year the IRS would show up as soon as he opened in the morning and stay there the entire day going through his books. The books he gave him that he kept for the IRS, the real books nobody ever saw. And he raised 12 kids and supported a wife on a TV repair shop.

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I only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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All new and used car dealers are still closed around here on Sunday but I've been told it's more of a banking issue than anything else. You can't do anything with loans or anything monetary when the banks are closed. People do a lot of car shopping at the lots on Sunday with no buying.
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I have bought cars on Sunday. Just paid and did the paperwork during the week. I think Tiffany said the same about their jewelry stores.

Even in the 80s almost all dealers closed early on Wed, it was a night the salesmen could go home early. Dealers that bucked that system had little traffic because everyone thought all dealers were closed. I was told that was a thing GM started and others followed.

I encountered wacky blue laws even in the 90's. One was Aiken, SC, where they closed half of the (24 hr) Walmart at exactly midnight Saturday night/Sunday morning. You could still buy groceries and other essentials, but all the other sections of the store were dark and roped off.

Somewhere in Alabama, we entered a county where it was illegal to possess a cold alcoholic beverage in public, even if it was unopened! Stores could sell beer, but it was warm; they weren't allowed to put it in the cooler cases!

I haven't been back to either of these places since; so I have no idea if these laws are still on the books.

Sadly, this is what the modern generation now considers the distant past. I still have clothes I wear from this time.

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Anybody here remember the blue laws that were in every state. They said that no places of business could be open on Sunday except gas stations and only a few of those. I got my first driver's license 60 years ago this month and Sunday was the worst because everything was closed in 1965. I believe there were two gas stations in the entire County that were open. And it stayed that way into the seventies in Michigan. No grocery stores, no convenience stores, couldn't buy liquor or beer of course, movie theaters were closed, it was a ghost town. The year I left 1976 it was changing because of the Supreme Court and I moved to California in 1976 and much to my surprise everything was open on Sunday. What a huge deal that was. But even California had Blue Laws up until the late 1960s when it started to change. Unless you were around in those days you have no idea how much organized religion ran this country. Because of the Hays code until 1968 you could not use foul language in a movie or take the lord's name in vain or show two people in bed together. It wasn't until 1970 when I heard the first f word in a movie and it was shocking because nobody saw it coming.
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Again, so much misinformation. There were "blue laws" but NOT in every state. Some states were selective to ban certain items like liquor from Sunday sale while other states like Massachusetts had an all-encompassing all goods ban. Businesses that were Jewish owned stayed open on Sundays in Mass. and thrived because their Sabbath was Saturday. The other owners cried foul, so eventually those Mass. blue laws were repealed. (long story short) Other states in the NE eventually followed suit.

The southern states, because of the evangelicals and Southern Baptists maintained no liquor sales on Sundays up until the early 2000's. Liquor sales in GA are still banned before noon on Sundays today.

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Bars in NY were allowed to open at 10 AM on Sunday but not serve booze until noon. Exceptions could be made for special events like first communion parties or baptisms. Liquor stores had to close on Sunday, but sometime in the 2000s, that law changed so the stores could open on any six days of their choosing.

I got my first driver's license 60 years ago this month in 1965. There was no Miranda law yet and the cops were very different than they are now. For the most part they were giant pricks. The ones I met worked for the county and they were just plain mean. These were men who'd been on the force since the late 40s and early 50s and times were totally different then. They had no desire to treat you like anything else but a criminal. Then Miranda came along and they still didn't change their attitude but it got better over time. I watch these police body cam videos all the time on YouTube and these cops are so polite and so nice and so understanding that it has to be something they're trained to do. For one thing you have to have a college degree in law enforcement or criminal justice in most big city or Sheriff's departments to even get a job. In the 1950s and 60s you just need a GED and you had to be physically fit. That was it. The physically fit thing has gone out the window, I got stopped last year by a female cop who was so fat she could barely get out of her Cruiser. The buttons were so strained on her shirt one could have flown off and killed me. She didn't walk she waddled. 60 years ago you never saw a fat cop, not around here anyway.

One thing that has changed for the worse is that in 1969 the Supreme Court said that cops could lie to the public with no penalties. As long as they weren't lying about your rights they can basically say anything they want to get you to cooperate or to get information out of you. This stuff about if you ask an undercover cop if he's really a cop he has to tell the truth, that's absolute crap. He can lie all day long. They can tell you a subpoena is coming when it's not. They can tell you they will help you get a lighter sentence if you just cooperate which they absolutely cannot do. They can tell lie after lie after lie now and there's nothing you can do about it. But you can never lie to them you'll go to jail. I constantly hear minorities on these cop videos say they don't trust the police because they lie. I finally looked it up and they're right, they lie constantly. They now act like they're the nicest person you ever met while they're lying to your face the whole time they're talking to you.

This is an amazing video. 1967, why is Michelle eating a banana. And they're talking during the performance and Mama Cass is singing over the lip sync. If you were not around in 1967 you cannot understand what a huge influence this song was about moving to California. It's why I moved there in 1976. But it was already over by then, California was a dump by the time I got there. I can't even imagine what it's like now from everything I see on the news.

Remember when license plates expired on the same date every year and you had to truck down to the local DMV and stand in line every year for your new set of plates, one for the front and one for the back. This is where the true hatred of the DMV in the United States was born. It changed in Michigan in the early seventies well they started having one plate on the back for the life of your ownership of the car and they would mail you a tag every year if you applied by mail. Of course now it's even easier because you could do it on the internet. My birthday was last week and I just got my new tag two weeks ago. And for years registering a van was like 40 bucks. Now the van I have is $137 every year. What a racket.

I do get a good deal on car insurance though with State Farm. I only pay $38 a month because I'm on Medicare and you don't have to pay the medical part of your car insurance if you can prove you're on Medicare. That cuts my bill way way down. Insurance companies hate it but oh well. I only get public liability and property damage because I have an old van. My wife gets full coverage on her car and renters insurance for where she lives for like $67 a month because she does the Medicare thing too.

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Remember when license plates expired on the same date every year and you had to truck down to the local DMV and stand in line every year for your new set of plates, one for the front and one for the back. This is where the true hatred of the DMV in the United States was born. It changed in Michigan in the early seventies well they started having one plate on the back for the life of your ownership of the car and they would mail you a tag every year if you applied by mail. Of course now it's even easier because you could do it on the internet. My birthday was last week and I just got my new tag two weeks ago. And for years registering a van was like 40 bucks. Now the van I have is $137 every year. What a racket.

I do get a good deal on car insurance though with State Farm. I only pay $38 a month because I'm on Medicare and you don't have to pay the medical part of your car insurance if you can prove you're on Medicare. That cuts my bill way way down. Insurance companies hate it but oh well. I only get public liability and property damage because I have an old van. My wife gets full coverage on her car and renters insurance for where she lives for like $67 a month because she does the Medicare thing too.
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It was by mail in my parts way back in the 1970s or earlier. Everyone expired on March 31 until about 1980.

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I do get a good deal on car insurance though with State Farm. I only pay $38 a month because I'm on Medicare and you don't have to pay the medical part of your car insurance if you can prove you're on Medicare. That cuts my bill way way down. Insurance companies hate it but oh well. I only get public liability and property damage because I have an old van. My wife gets full coverage on her car and renters insurance for where she lives for like $67 a month because she does the Medicare thing too.
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That's awesome. I calculated this month what I pay in insurance per year (all insurance). I pay approximately $26,000 a year for insurance for home, health, car and life. That is just my portion and doesn't include what my company contributes to medial insurance.

When I first went to Vegas in the 1990s, I remember looking up at the lighted marquee and entrances and thinking, "man, someone has to change all those light bulbs"

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When I first went to Vegas in the 1990s, I remember looking up at the lighted marquee and entrances and thinking, "man, someone has to change all those light bulbs"
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The FSE supposedly had six million light bulbs, in its first incarnation.

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love the music from back in the day - well, a lot of it anyway - mostly soul and rock

like the song says "today's music ain't got the same soul"

31 million views on this one

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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.

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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.

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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.

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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.

See? It worked!

Drill instructor: "I didn't see you at camouflage practice this morning, maggot!"

Recruit: "Sir, thank you, sir!"

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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
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That thing with Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick was on the 17th and 18th of July and the moon landing was on the 16th.

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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
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That thing with Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick was on the 17th and 18th of July and the moon landing was on the 16th.
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The liftoff was on the 16th. The landing and moonwalk was the 20th. That was Greenwich time.

Kennedy did his thing around midnight of the 19th but he didn't report it until mid day on the 19th, too late to be in that day's papers and probably on the evening broadcasts as well. So right around when it would have hit the news, the giant leap was taken.

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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
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That thing with Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick was on the 17th and 18th of July and the moon landing was on the 16th.
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The liftoff was on the 16th. The landing and moonwalk was the 20th. That was Greenwich time.

Kennedy did his thing around midnight of the 19th but he didn't report it until mid day on the 19th, too late to be in that day's papers and probably on the evening broadcasts as well. So right around when it would have hit the news, the giant leap was taken.
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Talk about a preemptive strike sending them up just days before it was going to happen…! More proof that we’re living in a simulation?

Three Kennedy's have a strong connection to water incidents.

One took a dunk, and resurfaced.
One didn't.
What did the third one do?

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Three Kennedy's have a strong connection to water incidents.

One took a dunk, and resurfaced.
One didn't.
What did the third one do?
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Also took a dunk and resurfaced, and rescued some of his crew.

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horrific is the only word I can think of to describe this catastrophe -

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horrific is the only word I can think of to describe this catastrophe -

actual news coverage of the event while it happened below

I was at my desk in my 7th grade, 3rd period business class when the teacher looked out the window and noted that the vapor trail looked "strange." I and my classmates didn't think much about it at the time. It wasn't until later in the day we learned what had actually happened.

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horrific is the only word I can think of to describe this catastrophe -

actual news coverage of the event while it happened below

I was at my desk in my 7th grade, 3rd period business class when the teacher looked out the window and noted that the vapor trail looked "strange." I and my classmates didn't think much about it at the time. It wasn't until later in the day we learned what had actually happened.
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I was at work watching on tv when it happened

as it exploded the female Office Manager got a big smile on her face and said "poof" and then laughed

I was shocked that someone could be so cruel as to make a joke and laugh while watching seven people die

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Remember when the local mall had it all?

1970s-1990s but peaking in the early to mid-80s, the average person went to the mall about 5 times a month. The usual tough-guys on here will insist they did not, but that is hard to believe. Some things, shoes to Craftsman tools, you basically had to go to the mall. Clothes? Usually mall. Books? Mall. Eyeglasses? Mall.

And the mall had things and events to draw you in. One near me had a duck pond with a little bridge over it and a two story bird cage with exotic birds like the Norwegian Blue parrot. As a little kid you could not wait to get to the duck pond. Another had a sunken stage for various shows. New cars in fall, antique cars on show, Junior Achievement weekend with the wares high school kids made. In winter of course, Santa was there.

If you barely needed anything you still might come to see this stuff. Get an ice cream cone or pretzel. Get out of the house.

Today I read the average person goes to a mall a couple times a year. I have to say I might go when I need eyeglasses or certain clothes. Or to use it as a meet-up for a carpool. To kill time? Only if I am already out, not to get out of the house. After the mid-1990s malls started to fall off. I remember about 1997 one mall made the news for banning dotcom ads inside stores for their online presence. Give credit that they knew their time was past, but it was like trying to hold back water.

By the mid-2000s you might have gone but to see a "dead mall." I am kind of a fan of doing that. Like being in a zombie movie. I have read we may be down to 150 malls nationwide by the mid-2030s. That is three per state!

Roosevelt Field used to be the biggest mall on Long Island. It had a huge food court with a stage where they'd often have a folk singer or acoustic rocker. One Saturday, they bought a girl named Tiffany, whom few in management were familiar with. She attracted thousands of young fans and the place was chaotic. A few weeks later, they brought in a local girl, Debbie Gibson, and she attracted even more people. Someone in management must have felt they had found a gold mine, so they started looking for other local talent to promote. They settled on an upcoming group named Public Enemy. P.E. brought out a huge crowd, but not the sort of people the mall wanted. Mobs of" urban yutes" ran amok, mugging old ladies there to shop, beating some folks, and ransacking a head shop. Nassau County PD declared the scene a riot and threatened to arrest anyone who didn't immediately vacate the mall, and the concert was called off.
Roosevelt Field never sponsored another concert, and that area of the mall was turned over to kiosks.

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Remember when the local mall had it all?

1970s-1990s but peaking in the early to mid-80s, the average person went to the mall about 5 times a month. The usual tough-guys on here will insist they did not, but that is hard to believe. Some things, shoes to Craftsman tools, you basically had to go to the mall. Clothes? Usually mall. Books? Mall. Eyeglasses? Mall.

And the mall had things and events to draw you in. One near me had a duck pond with a little bridge over it and a two story bird cage with exotic birds like the Norwegian Blue parrot. As a little kid you could not wait to get to the duck pond. Another had a sunken stage for various shows. New cars in fall, antique cars on show, Junior Achievement weekend with the wares high school kids made. In winter of course, Santa was there.

If you barely needed anything you still might come to see this stuff. Get an ice cream cone or pretzel. Get out of the house.

Today I read the average person goes to a mall a couple times a year. I have to say I might go when I need eyeglasses or certain clothes. Or to use it as a meet-up for a carpool. To kill time? Only if I am already out, not to get out of the house. After the mid-1990s malls started to fall off. I remember about 1997 one mall made the news for banning dotcom ads inside stores for their online presence. Give credit that they knew their time was past, but it was like trying to hold back water.

By the mid-2000s you might have gone but to see a "dead mall." I am kind of a fan of doing that. Like being in a zombie movie. I have read we may be down to 150 malls nationwide by the mid-2030s. That is three per state!
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When I was at the mall back then, it usually involved a roll of quarters. Video arcade. It was a great place to meet uptown girls who were totally impressed with my pinball and video game skills.

I was quite confused, and disappointed, when with time I learned they merely tolerated my pinball and video game skills, along with everything else I believed would be impressive.

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By the mid-2000s you might have gone but to see a "dead mall." I am kind of a fan of doing that. Like being in a zombie movie. I have read we may be down to 150 malls nationwide by the mid-2030s. That is three per state!
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One of the malls in my area just lost most of the tenants about 15 years ago. A handful of stores remained, as did a few restaurants. (They hadn't built a "food court", so the restaurants had rented out regular store spaces.)

The boarded up vacant stores became a cubicle farm for one of the nearby startups, until they could complete the heavy construction on their main campus.