Best president in last 40 years.
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127 members have voted
Edit: I see now best president in the past 40 years... I still would like a none of the above option. Jack Valenti, president of the MPAA, MIGHT get my vote...
Ronald Reagan Republican
Jimmy Carter Democratic
Bill Clinton Democratic
George H. W. Bush Republican
Richard Nixon Republican
Gerald Ford Republican
George W. Bush Republican
They also gave an interim assessment of Barack Obama, but his unfinished presidency was not included in the survey.
Had he been included, he would have been #1 of this group.
in Disneyworld said, for about the first 9 months of Obama's presidency his character always
got a standing ovation from the huge crowd. Not anymore, now that only one that gets any
applause is Ronald Reagan. What does that tell you.
Quote: EvenBob...the animatronic Presidents of the US exhibit in Disneyworld said...
That is a very well done exhibit, I recommend it for everybody.
Even Obama is a great admirer of Reagan
There are proposals to put his face on currency, most likely the $50 bill.
Quote: pacomartin
Even Obama is a great admirer of Reagan
There are proposals to put his face on currency, most likely the $50 bill.
Grant is a wanker, and his face should never have been put on currency in the first place. But that mocked up $50 looks like monopoly money. And, really, aren't there presidents (FDR, Johnson, etc.) who should be on bills if for no other reason than they've caused us to print so much of it?
Quote: rdw4potusGrant is a wanker, and his face should never have been put on currency in the first place. But that mocked up $50 looks like monopoly money. And, really, aren't there presidents (FDR, Johnson, etc.) who should be on bills if for no other reason than they've caused us to print so much of it?
Grant has never been thought of very highly as long as I have been alive. I don't know how he was thought of in 1913 (36 years after his presidency) when they first put him on the $50 gold certificate. We are now about 32 years after Reagan's presidency.
Although we obviously printed more money in WWII as we sent so many men overseas, I don't think of JFK as the start of the mass printing of currency. There seemed to be a lot more printed under Nixon.
At the end of LBJ's term we were circulating about $250 per capita in this country of notes and coin ( of which $25 per capita was circulating overseas). The decision was made early in Nixon's presidency to remove the banknotes of denomination higher than $100 (the last new ones had been printed in 1946). Of course, Nixon, ended the gold standard.
We just passed $1 trillion in circulation of fiat money this year.
Quote: WizardThe title pretty much says it all.
This is what the worst President in history is inflicting on us:
Washington Times (Edited:Not the Post)
Quote: TankoThis is what the worst President in history is inflicting on us:
Washington Post
I think it is interesting that someone would post a link to a Washington Times article and label it as "Washington Post."
Is that a deliberate attempt at misrepresentation?
Quote: DocQuote: TankoThis is what the worst President in history is inflicting on us:
Washington Post
I think it is interesting that someone would post a link to a Washington Times article and label it as "Washington Post."
Is that a deliberate attempt at misrepresentation?
Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. The Washington Times is a joke of a paper; I thought I was going to something on the Post and then saw the masthead and didn't bother to read past the headline. Didn't think to point out the discrepancy, though. Don't know if it's still run by religious cultists with their own agenda or what, but when I lived up there it was appalling how many distortions there were in their articles. Caused a lot of trouble.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: DocQuote: TankoThis is what the worst President in history is inflicting on us:
Washington Post
I think it is interesting that someone would post a link to a Washington Times article and label it as "Washington Post."
Is that a deliberate attempt at misrepresentation?
Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. The Washington Times is a joke of a paper; I thought I was going to something on the Post and then saw the masthead and didn't bother to read past the headline. Didn't think to point out the discrepancy, though. Don't know if it's still run by religious cultists with their own agenda or what, but when I lived up there it was appalling how many distortions there were in their articles. Caused a lot of trouble.
One hears "Washington Post", fifty times to one over "Washington Times".
My error.
The Post would never report anything like this, no matter how truthful.
Quote: AxelWolfAll I know is that Everything was just fine and dandy when Clinton was in office.
You missed the bursting of the dot.com bubble in 2000 that elected Bush. He did cut social security in 1993 without a single Republican vote.
Maybe that's what you liked about him?
Quote: AxelWolfAll I know is that Everything was just fine and dandy when Clinton was in office.
that is the only argument that I can make as well. All I know is that when Clinton was in office my small business was booming and I was making a lot of money. Him being in office probably had nothing to do with that but its enough for me to sway the vote to him.
Quote: AxelWolfAll I know is that Everything was just fine and dandy when Clinton was in office.
Yeah, fine and dandy.
You forgot that he signed the legislation to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act which set the stage for the economic collapse of 2008.
Then he blamed the Republicans for repealing it.
You also forgot that he granted a waiver that allowed China access to Loral's guidance system when their rockets literally couldn't make it off the launch pad.
This, after they sold nuclear technology to Pakistan.
"Loral and another firm, Hughes Electronic Corp., gave information to the Chinese that, according to the Pentagon, may have helped China hone its ICBM guidance systems--a possible breach that has been under investigation by the Justice Department for 18 months." -CNN
You forgot about the Chinese General who threatened us with a nuclear attack in 2005, thanks to that technology. Nuclear Threat
You forgot that Clinton increased taxes retroactively when assuming office.
And that the economy was going nowhere until the Republican Congress reduced taxes in 1997.
He took credit for that too.
That's easy-Nobama.
He accomplished what absolutely NO ONE thought was possible in November 2008; he not only brought the Republicans back from the dead he made them the majority party. All in just 2 years. Unprecedented. It took even Jimmy Carter 4 years.
Oh, and he's already put more new guns on the street in his presidency than any other in history. More rifles. More shotguns. More handguns. More assault weapons.
A Republican Congress and more guns than ever. Be proud progressives. Si si puede!
Gotta Edit after further reading. Grant won the Civil War for the Union, and Eisenhower pretty much Commandered WWII well enough to also be elected President twice. But really IMO the Statue of Liberty could grace the 50-spot just as well.
Not so much because of the events leading up to his departure from office (although that shouldn't be overlooked), but because he has already been featured on dollar bills - albeit novelty bills.
Sorry I couldn't find higher resolution.
For those too young to remember, in an effort to curb out-of-control inflation, a 90-day freeze on prices was enacted. This novelty store souvenir was one result.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI'm kinda surprised that Nixon is being considered (or at least included in the list) at all.
Watergate is child's play compared to the NSA, IRS, and Benghazi scandals of today.
He accomplished more than others on the list.
Nixon gave us OSHA, the EPA, Affirmative Action, Normalization of relations with China, the SALT agreement with the USSR, signed the ABTM Treaty with the USSR, launched the war on cancer, ended the Military Draft, and more.
He also favored and enacted social programs that created jobs and businesses for minorities rather than handouts.
Quote: TankoWatergate is child's play compared to the NSA, IRS, and Benghazi scandals of today.
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Which is childs play compared to Iran Contra. Also in case you didn't know Nixon actually tried to use the IRS as a tool against political opponents so that is far more significant than some vague notion of he may have ordered people to target political enemies. when there is really no evidence that was happening at all.
Quote: TwirdmanWhich is childs play compared to Iran Contra. Also in case you didn't know Nixon actually tried to use the IRS as a tool against political opponents so that is far more significant than some vague notion of he may have ordered people to target political enemies. when there is really no evidence that was happening at all.
The sale and delivery of weapons to Iran was actually conducted by the Israeli's, and it was legal.
It resulted in the release of seven American hostages.
Profits received from the sale were sent to the Contra rebels who were fighting to overthrow a very much anti-american Marxist-Leninist Junta in Nicaragua.
This was a bad thing?
Nixon wanted to, but never did use the IRS against his enemies.
What is clear it that the IRS audited as many as 298 conservative groups.
As for Benghazi, Stevens was there in an attempt to get the Lybian rebels to send arms to the Syrian rebels. AKA ISIS.
CIA Delivering Arms to Syrian Rebels: Washington Post
Now those weapons are in IRAQ.
Google "Shoebat Slaughterhouses" if you're interested in seeing who a government led by the worst US President in history has been supporting.
Too graphic to link.
Quote: TwirdmanWhich is childs play compared to Iran Contra. Also in case you didn't know Nixon actually tried to use the IRS as a tool against political opponents so that is far more significant than some vague notion of he may have ordered people to target political enemies. when there is really no evidence that was happening at all.
I don't know what y'all are arguing about, because we're all forgetting the biggest ball-drop of all - the missing WMDs in Iraq and GW Bush's rager for going to war in Iraq and destabilizing the whole country to accomplish...what exactly?
That said, as for that slate of presidents, they all had their problems. The best ex-president in history, the one who has done the most with his position AFTER leaving the White House? Jimmy Carter.
Quote: hwccdealerThat said, as for that slate of presidents, they all had their problems. The best ex-president in history, the one who has done the most with his position AFTER leaving the White House? Jimmy Carter.
Politically, Carter is horrible. Most Presidents understand that the office is best left to the one in it currently without a lot of their opinions one way or the other being made part of the news cycle. Carter was horrid as President and he says too much now. Former Presidents should be seen little and heard less. It is a tough enough job without second guessing from the guy who screwed things up 40 years ago chiming in like he could do better.
His works for the poor and other things are worthy of praise and admiration.
Quote: TwirdmanAlso in case you didn't know Nixon actually tried to use the IRS as a tool against political opponents so that is far more significant than some vague notion of he may have ordered people to target political enemies. when there is really no evidence that was happening at all.
Nixon TRIED to use the IRS. It was wrong then, it is wrong now. I don't know if the current IRS attack on certain groups goes to the White House or not but everyone with an open mind can see that there is at least some evidence of it and the strange disappearance of emails from six or more people all at the same time smells really bad. Maybe it was just a defective batch of hard drives...
If we say it long enough it will go away...there is no evidence, there is no evidence, there is no evidence, there is no evidence, there is no evidence, there is no evidence, there is no evidence...wait, yes there is some evidence...and it won't just go away.
Quote: rdw4potusAnd, really, aren't there presidents (FDR, Johnson, etc.) who should be on bills if for no other reason than they've caused us to print so much of it?
Hah!
Quote: RonCHis works for the poor and other things are worthy of praise and admiration.
That's what I was talking about. Carter was a bad fit for the Presidency - most politicians are - but as a humanitarian, he has done more with his position than almost anyone (Bush I and Clinton are doing pretty well in that regard as well.)
Quote: TiltpoulWhere's none of the above or other choice? Each of these presidents had problems that prevented them from being the "best." There are a few who are the "worst candidates"
Edit: I see now best president in the past 40 years... I still would like a none of the above option. Jack Valenti, president of the MPAA, MIGHT get my vote...
That wouldn't make sense.
If a poll is judging the popularity of Presidents in the past 40 years. You are suppose to think of who your favorite is. Even if you think the best is a 2/10 it's still the best of the selection.
"None" only makes sense of you have a choice of future events or current selections and since we can't change history, judging/ giving opinions on the past is all that we can do.
back on page two there was the Regan $50, and I opined maybe the Statue of Liberty could be there, but if we're talkin dead presidents, Theodore Rooseveldt. Gotta luv a Prez that gives a good speech with a bullet in him.
Quote: TankoWatergate is child's play compared to the NSA, IRS, and Benghazi scandals of today.
He accomplished more than others on the list.
Nixon gave us OSHA, the EPA, Affirmative Action, Normalization of relations with China, the SALT agreement with the USSR, signed the ABTM Treaty with the USSR, launched the war on cancer, ended the Military Draft, and more.
He also favored and enacted social programs that created jobs and businesses for minorities rather than handouts.
If Nixon ran today, he would do so as a Democrat. And yes, what has gone down today pales in comparison to the cover-up of a political prank (like the kind done to him all throughout his first term) in an election that was already in the bag the instant McGovern won the nomination. That it is still held up to this day as somehow overshadowing his monumental achievements is mind-boggling; that these are achievements that perfectly fit the portfolio of those who still criticize him, even more boggling still.
Nixon's worst political legacy by a country mile was the galvanizing of the "silent majority" that has led American politics into this inexorable "my team / your team" endless polemicist nightmare it suffers through today.
Character flaws? Private views on race in line with the prejudices of the day (even thought they clearly did not influence him professionally)? Dishonesty? All this in a politician? To quote Ben Stein, "Wow. How remarkable". There hasn't been an honest politician since Caligula, and look what that was worth.
is the worst president of a free country the world has ever seen..... period
I say this for a couple of reasons...
1... he hates free enterprise
2....he hates the constitution
3 he hates a 2 party system
4 he hates the checks and balances set up in our system
5 did i mention he hates people that have actually worked hard and built that
6 he cant stand the idea that he is wrong...
7 At fifty plus years of age, he has never done anything that he was accountable for
at the end of the day.
8 While all of us know we are the product of our family, friends, etc as we grow up, Obama has
not a single family member..... none that beleives in free enterprise, capitalism, representative
government, the us constitution and America itself.
9..In the time he was president, federal regulations on business have doubled, and now the cost
to American business to comply is larger than the entire gross domestic product of Canada
10 Did i mention he spent the first 5 years in office not making a single comment on christian
abuse in the world and not a single word about hundreds of christian churches being burned, yet
he goes nuts when one old thrown our Koran is burned.
11 Not a single time in his 6 years in office has he indicated he understands how hard small business
people have to work...
12 the debt has risen to almost double, he has almost doubles food stamps, welfare costs and at the
same time he has made it so hard to make a living that we have fewer people working in America
today then we did in 1978 and the cost of government has ballooned well past the ability of those
still working to pay for.
13...for the people that actually have worked hard over their lives, every aspect of their lives were
made worse by Obama
No war, no enternal enemy could ever have done as much damage to this country as he has. Long after
this nightmare ends, his policies will continue to damage this country, the economy, business, and the
relationship we have had with our external friends and enemies.
dicesetter
Your best post ever! +10,000Quote: dicesitterwell i like reagan as well, but no matter who you talk about or what ever you consider, Obama
is the worst president of a free country the world has ever seen..... period
I say this for a couple of reasons...
1... he hates free enterprise
2....he hates the constitution
3 he hates a 2 party system
4 he hates the checks and balances set up in our system
5 did i mention he hates people that have actually worked hard and built that
6 he cant stand the idea that he is wrong...
7 At fifty plus years of age, he has never done anything that he was accountable for
at the end of the day.
8 While all of us know we are the product of our family, friends, etc as we grow up, Obama has
not a single family member..... none that beleives in free enterprise, capitalism, representative
government, the us constitution and America itself.
9..In the time he was president, federal regulations on business have doubled, and now the cost
to American business to comply is larger than the entire gross domestic product of Canada
10 Did i mention he spent the first 5 years in office not making a single comment on christian
abuse in the world and not a single word about hundreds of christian churches being burned, yet
he goes nuts when one old thrown our Koran is burned.
11 Not a single time in his 6 years in office has he indicated he understands how hard small business
people have to work...
12 the debt has risen to almost double, he has almost doubles food stamps, welfare costs and at the
same time he has made it so hard to make a living that we have fewer people working in America
today then we did in 1978 and the cost of government has ballooned well past the ability of those
still working to pay for.
13...for the people that actually have worked hard over their lives, every aspect of their lives were
made worse by Obama
No war, no enternal enemy could ever have done as much damage to this country as he has. Long after
this nightmare ends, his policies will continue to damage this country, the economy, business, and the
relationship we have had with our external friends and enemies.
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterIn the time he was president, federal regulations on business have doubled, and now the cost
to American business to comply is larger than the entire gross domestic product of Canada
cost of government has ballooned well past the ability of those
still working to pay for.
for the people that actually have worked hard over their lives, every aspect of their lives were
made worse by Obama
Really. How about living in the real world.
I'm just a regular Joe with a regular 40 hr work week job.
I'm flying out to Vegas next week.
I pay taxes yet my upcoming trip is the 3rd this year.
I am psyched.
Life has been pretty good and remains so.
My standard of living has remained about the same through the Bush and now Obama years.
I look at national politics as entertainment. No matter who is President, my life overall is unaffected as it goes on as it always had.
Actually things are better, as I get older, less debt due to house almost paid off.
Is this due to Obama, of course not, its simply that my life is relatively unaffected by who ever is President.
Quote: dicesitterwell i like reagan as well, but no matter who you talk about or what ever you consider, Obama
is the worst president of a free country the world has ever seen..... period
I say this for a couple of reasons...
1... he hates free enterprise
2....he hates the constitution
3 he hates a 2 party system
4 he hates the checks and balances set up in our system
5 did i mention he hates people that have actually worked hard and built that
6 he cant stand the idea that he is wrong...
7 ... he has never done anything that he was accountable for
at the end of the day.
How does any of the above differ from the ENTIRE Democrat party?
The last good one was Zell Miller. Now it's all prosperity through debt, welfare, open borders and ever higher taxes... worked great for Zimbabwe.
You missed the point completely, it is because of people that think like you, that we have a president
like Obama
dicesetter
Nope. Three words, one name. Helen Gahagan Douglas.Quote: CRMousseauIf Nixon ran today, he would do so as a Democrat.
Some folks try to think that they live in a hermetically sealed capsule. If their company contracts or closes, if their locale suffers from natural or manmade calamities, if a family member is compelled to enter, say, the armed forces, if retirement or similar plans go down the tubes or if a horrific illness strikes, then it's wake-up time.Quote: terapinedI look at national politics as entertainment. No matter who is President, my life overall is unaffected as it goes on as it always had. Actually things are better, as I get older, less debt due to house almost paid off. Is this due to Obama, of course not, its simply that my life is relatively unaffected by who ever is President.
Quote: chickenmanYour best post ever! +10,000
Included in his so-called "...best quote ever" is a comment about liking [Ronald] Reagan. I'm about to put you on the spot Chickenman and take you out of your comfort zone, which seems to be that of a forum fanboy, and ask for your actual opinion on a subject. Please humor me and answer for yourself. I'll know from any typos and grammatical errors should you decide to simply quote a certain "AP". All of that being said, please provide a list of at least (5) attributes or accomplishments that make Reagan your choice as the best President in the last 40 years.
Quote: MaxSwelleIncluded in his so-called "...best quote ever" is a comment about liking [Ronald] Reagan. I'm about to put you on the spot Chickenman and take you out of your comfort zone, which seems to be that of a forum fanboy, and ask for your actual opinion on a subject. Please humor me and answer for yourself. I'll know from any typos and grammatical errors should you decide to simply quote a certain "AP". All of that being said, please provide a list of at least (5) attributes or accomplishments that make Reagan your choice as the best President in the last 40 years.
1. Proved that communism, and thus any ideology, could be beat and not just contained that "we have to live with."
2. Fired the striking PATCO workers, putting an end to strike threats against the feds.
3. Broke the back of the stagflation of the 1970s
4. Gave a general sense of pride in America which had been lost since the late 1960s
5. Rebuilt the military to world-class, allowing great response to an invasion that could have cause a threat to oil supplies
Hey, Max, how's it hanging?Quote: MaxSwelleIncluded in his so-called "...best quote ever" is a comment about liking [Ronald] Reagan. I'm about to put you on the spot Chickenman and take you out of your comfort zone, which seems to be that of a forum fanboy, and ask for your actual opinion on a subject. Please humor me and answer for yourself. I'll know from any typos and grammatical errors should you decide to simply quote a certain "AP". All of that being said, please provide a list of at least (5) attributes or accomplishments that make Reagan your choice as the best President in the last 40 years.
Nice backhander there. I could NEVER humor you as much as you provide humor to me, and excellent writing skills coupled with such incisive analysis makes you a valued contributor to the forum. Plus you are much too smart to be a LIV so you are automatically good people. As are your alter egos :-)
I'm really short on time right now, so let me list all of Nobama's "attributes or accomplishments" instead:
...
OK, satisfied now?
BTW, it was "best post ever" and I doubt the irony escaped you...
I just have to shake my head at the people who would vote for that level of idiocy. Of course when they try to make a point as to why they're right on their views, or why Obama is a good president, it's senseless gibberish and any attempt to get the logic out of them simply results in them resorting to name calling.
POYQuote: scubatim84You know, the only thing that disappoints me about this poll is that Obama received 5 votes.
I just have to shake my head at the people who would vote for that level of idiocy. Of course when they try to make a point as to why they're right on their views, or why Obama is a good president, it's senseless gibberish and any attempt to get the logic out of them simply results in them resorting to name calling.
