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darkoz
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:06:26 AM permalink
A lot to weigh in here before the thread is closed. Probably will break it up so lets start with the science.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

Read that first I suppose.

Everything about men and women is different. Externally and internally. That should be obvious as it's one reason the one thing we all agree is that men excel at sports due to their build and musculature.

Internal organs are different hence females have childbirth organs (uterus and different bladder etc)

The same is true for the brain which needs to be different if it's going to control female vs male function (hormonal changes including during pregnancy as well as adolescent)

Those differences ARE measurable as shown in the article. You are born male with a male brain and vice versa.

And studies have shown transgender women generally have female brain composition. Thinner or thicker membranes etc that females have vs. male.

Literally that's proving physiologically what they say they feel. That they are women trapped in a man's body.

If they think and feel they are women and not due to some psychosis but am actual measurable SCIENTIFIC explanation pertaining to brain tissue makeup then, well, let's just say "science isn't so simple".

Which brings us to the next logical step. If a person is born a female trapped in a male body then when they change that body fully they should be considered female.

The you are what you are born response can be tested with other scenarios.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_from_blindness#:~:text=Recovery%20from%20blindness%20is%20the,referred%20to%20as%20Molyneux's%20problem.

People born blind can be given through medical treatment the ability to see. Ask yourself if you encountered this person if you would insist they were still blind because they were born that way?

Siamese twins are often separated at birth these days. Would you meet one and insist they are still Siamese twins? Yes you could argue they were BORN Siamese twins but insisting you refer to one as "them" and "they".

Once you accept that surgery can change what and how you are born, AND that trans women are born physically with female brain tissue, seeing them as women after surgery isn't that difficult.

I understand the homophobic aspects. I was 100% straight until my first experience with a transgender (my own crying game experience but without the Irish terrorism). All I can say is open your mind, do some research and don't assume science is so "simple".
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:11:12 AM permalink
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Mission146
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:14:54 AM permalink
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Some of that could be my bias against religion, but I am finally starting to get better at differentiating between denominations and individuals, so that's growth.


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Maybe we should just go back to generalizing and bashing broad geographic regions instead? You take the southeast, Iíll take the metropolitan northeast?
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Sure thing; I have no great affinity for the latter of those two areas.
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:16:05 AM permalink
Let's say for the sake of argument that science says transwomen are NOT women.

In that case, who gives a ****. It has literally zero effect on my life what someone calls themselves.

I find it very odd, and a little concerning, that the people who are so against LGBT things are sooooo obsessed with what those people do in the privacy of their own lives.
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:20:11 AM permalink
Darkoz,

Good post. I think that's relevant to everything except athletics. The benefits of having a male body as opposed to a female one cannot be ignored when it comes to fundamental fairness in competition.

Of course, some people will make the argument to just remove gender from all athletics, but I don't think I am being rude to suggest that would be extremely unfair to women.
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:20:15 AM permalink
Twitter temporarily suspended him for this tweet.

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December 5th, 2022 at 8:25:21 AM permalink
Early reports out of North Carolina indicate a group of people blacked out a large segment of the state to protest/prevent a drag show. Some 50,000plus people are without electricity a day later, after yahoos shoot up a couple of transformers.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:25:26 AM permalink
It's their platform; they can suspend him for whatever they want.

He's the guy who essentially wants to point the finger at murder victims and blame them for the fact that they were murdered while they were out and about minding their own business. I feel bad for other Catholics in that this Walsh calls himself one.

I'm surprised it was temporary. I'd want nothing to do with him had I been Twitter, might scare major corporate advertisers away.

He also deliberately inflates numbers and presents false statistics to make his points. When you're a Conservative and Joe Rogan is calling out your BS, well, you can be sure that what you are saying is complete BS.
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:31:33 AM permalink
Matt Walsh is basically a professional troll. Nothing he says can be taken seriously.
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:34:18 AM permalink
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Matt Walsh is basically a professional troll. Nothing he says can be taken seriously.
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I believe, between what I have read from AZDuffman and what I have heard Matt Walsh say, that AZ and Matt are in total lockstep just on the matters upon which I have seen both opine.

Just saying.
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