Flirting with female dealers
Quote: aceofspades
So then you are saying female dealers and cocktail waitresses can make "soft sexual advances" for money but men, under no circumstances, should flirt back…?
A. They aren't flirting for money, they are flirting and men CHOOSE to give them money. The men who choose to tip more to dealers/waitresses who flirt with them do so of their own free will, do they not?
B. I've already stated twice that flirting back is fine, as long as the dealer/server starts it.
PS: (It should really be "soft" sexual advances, not "soft sexual advances".)
Quote: GreasyjohnHere's what guys should consider if they flirt with female dealers. Imagine being a 25 year-old guy. You're dealing blackjack with a 55 year-old woman at the table. If she made statements to you, even if nuanced, that suggested she wanted to take you home and ravage your body, how would you feel about that?
Flirting with female dealers, once in a while, if clever, and done in good taste, is okay. It's all a matter of degree and intention.
I like being clever and funny with female dealers, but I rarely flirt.
Have you seen Christie Brinkley? She's 50+. Elle MacPherson? The list goes on.
handsome as any movie star, Brad
Pitt even. He's tall, 28, has one of those
2 day growth beards. He flirts with
all the waitresses and dealers, and
they love it. But they won't date
him, they say he's too friendly and
too single. Guys who look like that
and have never been married at
28 are players in the eyes of women.
Women think they're so damned
smart..
Quote: CrankyCupcakesA. They aren't flirting for money, they are flirting and men CHOOSE to give them money. The men who choose to tip more to dealers/waitresses who flirt with them do so of their own free will, do they not?
B. I've already stated twice that flirting back is fine, as long as the dealer/server starts it.
PS: (It should really be "soft" sexual advances, not "soft sexual advances".)
So now you are correcting grammar on a message board - hmmmmmmm very interesting - I'm sure guys love flirting with you
Anyway, I used quotation marks as I was directly quoting your phrase - I was not using quotation marks for emphasis on the word "soft" -- as such, perhaps you should spend more time crafting logical arguments rather than correcting grammar that was not in need of correction
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Quote: RaleighCrapsHave you seen Christie Brinkley? She's 50+. Elle MacPherson? The list goes on.
You're an optimist.
Quote: GreasyjohnHere's what guys should consider if they flirt with female dealers. Imagine being a 25 year-old guy. You're dealing blackjack with a 55 year-old woman at the table. If she made statements to you, even if nuanced, that suggested she wanted to take you home and ravage your body, how would you feel about that?
Did Jennifer Tilly become a Blackjack player instead of Poker?
Quote: Mission146Did Jennifer Tilly become a Blackjack player instead of Poker?
I don't think so, but there's always exceptions. (I can see where she would come to mind.)
What the hell are you talking about? OF COURSE THEY FLIRT FOR MONEY. It happens everyday. If tips were not involved they wouldn't flirt nearly as much, if at all. Notice the girls at the front desk, slot club, the hostesses, gift shop,or wherever tips aren't common rarely flirt.Quote: CrankyCupcakesA. They aren't flirting for money, they are flirting and men CHOOSE to give them money. free will, do they not?
B. I've already stated twice that flirting back is fine, as long as the dealer/server starts it.
PS: (It should really be "soft" sexual advances, not "soft sexual advances".)
BTW somebody needs to define flirting VS someone just being very friendly.
If you think cocktail waitress flirt a lot just visit a few local Vegas bars that have female bartenders you might think you're in a strip club.
It doesn't matter who starts it, there's no harm in flirting with casino employees as long as you don't cross the line. Everyone's line is different. A NORMAL person can usually tell how far that line goes. If you have to ask yourself and think to hard, then you probably need to refrain from flirting period.
I know some guys who come off super creepy, and I just cringe, it has nothing to do with looks or age, it's their horrible timing and no game approach. They just have no sense, they can't judge who's respectable and what's acceptable.
Quote: AxelWolfWhat the hell are you talking about? OF COURSE THEY FLIRT FOR MONEY. It happens everyday. If tips were not involved they wouldn't flirt nearly as much, if at all. Notice the girls at the front desk, slot club, the hostesses, gift shop,or wherever tips aren't common rarely flirt.
BTW somebody needs to define flirting VS someone just being very friendly.
If you think cocktail waitress flirt a lot just visit a few local Vegas bars that have female bartenders you might think you're in a strip club.
It doesn't matter who starts it, there's no harm in flirting with casino employees as long as you don't cross the line. Everyone's line is different. A NORMAL person can usually tell how far that line goes. If you have to ask yourself and think to hard, then you probably need to refrain from flirting period.
I know some guys who come off super creepy, and I just cringe, it has nothing to do with looks or age, it's their horrible timing and no game approach. They just have no sense, they can't judge who's respectable and what's acceptable.
Yes, you are correct and I should have been more clear. Their goal in flirting (in most cases) is to get higher tips. What I meant was that they are not being paid to flirt, they are being paid to serve drinks/deal cards. The fact that flirting can garner more chips has really nothing to do with them, was my point. It has to do with the recipient deciding (of his own accord) to tip a women who is flirting more money than he might were she not flirting. THAT decision has nothing to do with her, meaning, she doesn't "flirt for money" she flirts in hopes that she'll get more money but it isn't guaranteed. Is that fair?
Quote: aceofspadesSo now you are correcting grammar on a message board - hmmmmmmm very interesting - I'm sure guys love flirting with you
Anyway, I used quotation marks as I was directly quoting your phrase - I was not using quotation marks for emphasis on the word "soft" -- as such, perhaps you should spend more time crafting logical arguments rather than correcting grammar that was not in need of correction
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Guys do love flirting with me! In fact, they sometimes give me money as a result of said flirting in the course of my job. Imagine that!
I wasn't correcting grammar, I was correcting punctuation, as it changes the meaning of the phrase.
Since we're now dispensing posting advice, I would say perhaps you should actually answer questions that make you uncomfortable rather than shouting ILLOGICAL!11!!!! and posting memes as a way of avoiding admitting something you'd prefer not to admit.
Wow, less than 10 posts and I'm blocked by someone already. Do I get a special sticker now? ha!
They are, of their own volition, choosing to flirt, or not.
Their motivation to flirt is mostly to get more money.
Therefore they are flirting for money.
Their job isn't flirting, so only in that respect are they not flirting for money. However, performing their job duties is not their only opportunity to make money.
They are flirting for more money. It is completely valid to say thay they are flirting for money. This does not exclude the fact that they are also working for money.
It has everything to do with her, it is her choice to flirt or not.
Some come with their husbands who give them a wad of cash and adopt the "don't ask don't tell" approach. They must have always been there so I'm not sure why I'm noticing them now although I have been playing on different shifts more often. They are really quite pleasant for the most part.
Quote: GreasyjohnHere's what guys should consider if they flirt with female dealers. Imagine being a 25 year-old guy. You're dealing blackjack with a 55 year-old woman at the table. If she made statements to you, even if nuanced, that suggested she wanted to take you home and ravage your body, how would you feel about that?
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Hmm knowing what I know about women at my advanced age, if she was attractive I'd have to think hard about it.
Quote: ncfatcatHmm knowing what I know about women at my advanced age, if she was attractive I'd have to think hard about it.
Of course, flirting, having desires and making bold statements is one thing, getting it on is another. (This is just a general statement that's not directed towards you, ncfatcat.)
Quote: Dalex64I don't know about fair, but logically it isn't sound.
They are, of their own volition, choosing to flirt, or not.
Their motivation to flirt is mostly to get more money.
Therefore they are flirting for money.
Their job isn't flirting, so only in that respect are they not flirting for money. However, performing their job duties is not their only opportunity to make money.
They are flirting for more money. It is completely valid to say thay they are flirting for money. This does not exclude the fact that they are also working for money.
It has everything to do with her, it is her choice to flirt or not.
Saying that is like saying if that same patron gets robbed in the parking lot on the way out, it's his fault. After all, robbers rob money, if he had no money then he wouldn't have been robbed!
Quote: GreasyjohnOf course, flirting, having desires and making bold statements is one thing, getting it on is another. (This is just a general statement that's not directed towards you, ncfatcat.)
Yeah my body says "yeah" but my prostate says "NO!"
Quote: GreasyjohnHere's what guys should consider if they flirt with female dealers. Imagine being a 25 year-old guy. You're dealing blackjack with a 55 year-old woman at the table. If she made statements to you, even if nuanced, that suggested she wanted to take you home and ravage your body, how would you feel about that? ...
Honestly, I would laugh, enjoy the fact that I'm making someones day more exciting, and probably flirt back a little for the fun of it (with no intentions whatsoever of doing anything else with it)... Unless she's really hot ;) lol. Wouldn't be for tips or anything, just for the fun of interacting with others.
Conceit doesn't 'run' in your family - it gallops.
Quote: HeySlickBigJer said: I don't flirt with them. They always flirt with me and want my phone number..............
Conceit doesn't 'run' in your family - it gallops.
They don't call him BigJer for nothing. :-)
I'm no Brad Pitt, not by a long shot ... but my kindness, attention, and how I listen is frequently taken as interest, yes, from both sexes. (MrWarmth is not an ironic nickname).
And the responses are about what you'd expect ... some think I'm interested so indicate they're not ... some think I'm interested and respond favorably but I'm not really interested ... sometimes I am interested and so is she, and then sex!! ;)
But honestly, I'm not going to let someone's misinterpretation (either way) change the way I interact. If she thinks I'm interested even though I'm not but she's not interested and indicates that, so what?
Besides, if you are really attracted to someone, it's very, very hard for them to turn that off at the flirting stage (creepiness notwithstanding) ... that goes for cocktail waitresses as well.
Quote: CrankyCupcakesSaying that is like saying if that same patron gets robbed in the parking lot on the way out, it's his fault. After all, robbers rob money, if he had no money then he wouldn't have been robbed!
It's not like saying that at all.
Quote: CrankyCupcakesSaying that is like saying if that same patron gets robbed in the parking lot on the way out, it's his fault. After all, robbers rob money, if he had no money then he wouldn't have been robbed!
Logic - not even once
"surgically enhanced" Is that code for sex change?Quote: soxfanI've dated several dealers/cocktail server over the years, including a tall, hot, long legged, surgically enhanced
Quote: AxelWolf"surgically enhanced" Is that code for sex change?
Nope fake jugs, hey hey.
Quote: Dalex64It's not like saying that at all.
Quote: aceofspadesLogic - not even once
Yes, it is. Think it through, boys, and try not to hurt yourselves!
Waiting on the other half ? halfvestite ;)Quote: soxfanNope fake jugs, hey hey.
Quote: AxelWolfWaiting on the other half ? halfvestite ;)
Nope, she was all girly, and the carpet and drape matched if ya catch my meaning, hey hey.
Background in Interior design ? or fire crotchQuote: soxfanNope, she was all girly, and the carpet and drape matched if ya catch my meaning, hey hey.
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Well I wasn't going to mention this but you touched on something here I was thinking.Quote: aceofspadesSo now you are correcting grammar on a message board - hmmmmmmm very interesting - I'm sure guys love flirting with you
Anyway, I used quotation marks as I was directly quoting your phrase - I was not using quotation marks for emphasis on the word "soft" -- as such, perhaps you should spend more time crafting logical arguments rather than correcting grammar that was not in need of correction
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This is a math and gambling forum filled mostly with men. Considering most of the conversations and content here, I think its safe to say you can disregard any flirting advice given here, since It probably doesn't attract the type of women you would be interested in flirting with (with a few exceptions of course ).
I think I know the answer but who do you prefer.... Katy Perry, Katie Holmes VS KD Lang.
Here's a good option ask these girls flirting advice http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1001/hookers-blackjack-hookers-blackjack-hot-girls-games-demotivational-poster-1264654585.jpg
Quote: CrankyCupcakesIf they flirt with you, again, 99.9% of the time it is in an attempt to get better tips. In which case, reciprocate in kind but don't elevate. Keep it at the same level as she is and enjoy yourself -- and if you enjoy it and she's doing her job well, tip generously!
Are you denying that tips are money?
Quote: GreasyjohnHere's what guys should consider if they flirt with female dealers. Imagine being a 25 year-old guy. You're dealing blackjack with a 55 year-old woman at the table. If she made statements to you, even if nuanced, that suggested she wanted to take you home and ravage your body, how would you feel about that?
Flirting with female dealers, once in a while, if clever, and done in good taste, is okay. It's all a matter of degree and intention.
I like being clever and funny with female dealers, but I rarely flirt.
When I made the statement above I was thinking of a women that the young man found objectionable. I got a few replies from guys about the women being attractive.
This whole subject is full of vantage point, one's attitude and past experience. Some women are reminded of the rude, crass side of flirting. Some guys like to have an attitude of bravado--"Hey, can't you take it, come on?"
This topic of flirting will bring out the battle of the sexes, that's for sure.
I could see myself playing bkackjack at a table with a really cute dealer, and let's say I'm losing. "You know, you're distracting. I'm trying to play blackjack here." I probably wouldn't make a remark that direct. I'd probably say, "Is it something I said?"
Flirting can be fun. And the more subtle it is the better it is.
Quote: Dalex64Are you denying that tips are money?
Is this a serious question? Of course not. But she can't force someone to give her better money or tips, can she? Flirting does not in any way guarantee a better tip. Maybe she's not the patron's type. Maybe the patron prefers men. Maybe the patron doesn't like excessive talk at the table. Who knows? But if a patron decides to tip her, for any reason whatsoever: because she did a good job, because it's habit, because he doesn't want to look like a cheap player, because he hates having an odd number of hips, because she flirted, because she reminds him of her sister, because he wants to set an example for the rest of the table -- whatever the reason, IT'S HIS DECISION TO TIP AND HOW MUCH TO TIP.
I don't understand why that seems to be a difficult concept to grasp for some people here. I mean, have you ever heard of anyone complaining to a pit boss that a dealer MADE him tip her excessively? Can you imagine how that conversation would go?
Quote: CrankyCupcakesA. They aren't flirting for money, they are flirting and men CHOOSE to give them money. The men who choose to tip more to dealers/waitresses who flirt with them do so of their own free will, do they not?
Of course it is a serious question, since you deny that they are flirting for money.
They are flirting for better tips, and tips are money.
You lumped doing a good job in there with the rest of the stuff. Are you also saying that she isn't doing a good job for money, since tipping is optional and the amount, if any, has not been prearranged, like her hourly pay?
Quote: AxelWolfWell I wasn't going to mention this but you touched on something here I was thinking.
This is a math and gambling forum filled mostly with men. Considering most of the conversations and content here, I think its safe to say you can disregard any flirting advice given here, since It probably doesn't attract the type of women you would be interested in flirting with (with a few exceptions of course ).
I think I know the answer but who do you prefer.... Katy Perry, Katie Holmes VS KD Lang.
Here's a good option ask these girls flirting advice http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1001/hookers-blackjack-hookers-blackjack-hot-girls-games-demotivational-poster-1264654585.jpg
Katy Perry
Quote: AxelWolfWell I wasn't going to mention this but you touched on something here I was thinking.
This is a math and gambling forum filled mostly with men. Considering most of the conversations and content here, I think its safe to say you can disregard any flirting advice given here, since It probably doesn't attract the type of women you would be interested in flirting with (with a few exceptions of course ).
I think I know the answer but who do you prefer.... Katy Perry, Katie Holmes VS KD Lang.
Here's a good option ask these girls flirting advice http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1001/hookers-blackjack-hookers-blackjack-hot-girls-games-demotivational-poster-1264654585.jpg
Katie Couric. Oh wait, this is about flirting.
I like pre Tom Katie much better she's cuter and sexierQuote: aceofspadesKaty Perry
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Oops don't want to leave out KD fans http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/music/KDLang1.jpg she's definitely talanted.
I hate flogging horses. But...sorry, Nelly.
Cocktail waitresses flirt for YOUR (the customer's) entertainment. They are entertainers who bring drinks. They are part of the casino experience. If they're good at it, they will likely make better money, because you are more entertained, more flattered, having a better time because they're paying attention to you. Good for you, good for them. If you don't tip more, so be it. But human ( and male) nature is that you will; almost everyone tips better to a waitress who smiles, is attentive, makes you feel welcome or attractive. It will also likely affect to some degree whether you become a return customer; read any number of threads here and look at the amount of positive and negative comments people make specifically about how they are treated by the casino employees.
The issue, for the waitresses or female dealers, comes up when a guy takes a flirt as an invitation for a personal relationship instead of a professional one. In general: they don't want to date the guy, they don't want him grabbing body parts, they don't want to get sexual comments in response to the flirt, they don't want to be followed around the casino. They just want to do their job, the guy to have a good time, and then everybody goes home to their lives.
They are not entertainers they are cocktail waitresses. The casinos may hire them under a entertainment contract, but that's so they can control what they look like. IE no fatties in certain casinos.Quote: beachbumbabsI don't think either CC or I are saying that "cocktail waitresses do not flirt for the intent of making more money". Never did say that. More of a willful misunderstanding of what we DID say (thanks, Mr. Devil's Advocate) that semi-derailed the conversation.
I hate flogging horses. But...sorry, Nelly.
Cocktail waitresses flirt for YOUR (the customer's) entertainment. They are entertainers who bring drinks. They are part of the casino experience. If they're good at it, they will likely make better money, because you are more entertained, more flattered, having a better time because they're paying attention to you. Good for you, good for them. If you don't tip more, so be it. But human ( and male) nature is that you will; almost everyone tips better to a waitress who smiles, is attentive, makes you feel welcome or attractive. It will also likely affect to some degree whether you become a return customer; read any number of threads here and look at the amount of positive and negative comments people make specifically about how they are treated by the casino employees.
The issue, for the waitresses or female dealers, comes up when a guy takes a flirt as an invitation for a personal relationship instead of a professional one. In general: they don't want to date the guy, they don't want him grabbing body parts, they don't want to get sexual comments in response to the flirt, they don't want to be followed around the casino. They just want to do their job, the guy to have a good time, and then everybody goes home to their lives.
My attitude on this does not involve anything noble or especially respectful and empathetic about my character; it comes from being around a lot, and planning to stay that way. I'm around some to hear them decompressing about "that guy" when they're letting their hair down afterward. That leads to internalizing a desire to not be that conversation. Whether it is a dealer in the poker room or a server in the book, I'm there and will continue to be often enough that it starts to matter that I really don't want to be "that guy" in the conversations in the employee dining room, and the butt of the "that guy" tales I hear told when I'm around women in that business away from their job. Especially not when her dad is a local judge, her husband is the VP of Miscellaneous Affairs for the company that owns the joint and half a dozen others, her sister is someone I'd like to know better in several senses of the term, and I'm apt to run into all of them when I'm out to fetch a crate of socks and barrel of tomato sauce at Costco.Quote: beachbumbabs...<SNIP>...
Cocktail waitresses flirt for YOUR (the customer's) entertainment. They are entertainers who bring drinks. They are part of the casino experience. If they're good at it, they will likely make better money, because you are more entertained, more flattered, having a better time because they're paying attention to you. Good for you, good for them. If you don't tip more, so be it. But human ( and male) nature is that you will; almost everyone tips better to a waitress who smiles, is attentive, makes you feel welcome or attractive. It will also likely affect to some degree whether you become a return customer; read any number of threads here and look at the amount of positive and negative comments people make specifically about how they are treated by the casino employees.
The issue, for the waitresses or female dealers, comes up when a guy takes a flirt as an invitation for a personal relationship instead of a professional one. In general: they don't want to date the guy, they don't want him grabbing body parts, they don't want to get sexual comments in response to the flirt, they don't want to be followed around the casino. They just want to do their job, the guy to have a good time, and then everybody goes home to their lives.
I'm pretty sure "that guy" usually thinks he's "got game." When what he's got is actually a cell-phone pic with a sheet of entries tacked up on the wall of the EDR for the regular "pin the nickname on the creep of the week" contest.
I imagine the way people view the matter tends to get different when they're whooping it up on their annual vacation from reality, or on a junket to the convention of the International Association of Widget Salesmen, and when they're well into making a dent in the supply of something a bit stronger than coffee and bottled water. Maybe especially that last part.
Quote: AxelWolfThey are not entertainers they are cocktail waitresses. The casinos may hire them under a entertainment contract, but that's so they can control what they look like. IE no fatties in certain casinos.
I'd say they are entertainers as well. Just like the dealers in the party pits. Even dealers in regular non-party-pits are encouraged (or told to) talk to the customers and have conversations with them.
A dealer friend of mine who applied/auditioned at a CET casino on the strip......the boss or interviewer or whatever said something like, "If you make a mistake because you're a dumbsh*t, people are gonna get mad - and we don't want that. But, if you're talking to the customers, having a conversation, they're having a good time [and you're having a good time], when you do make a mistake [and you will make a mistake, every-day]....they aren't going to get mad." So ultimately, they'd rather have the players having a good time even if that increases the rate of dealer errors or slows down the game a tad.
And that makes sense. I'd rather get 95% from players with repeat business (because they'll keep coming back), rather than 100% from few players who won't ever return.
I don't like the whole entertainment thing -- but it makes sense.
Quote: Dalex64Quote: CrankyCupcakesA. They aren't flirting for money, they are flirting and men CHOOSE to give them money. The men who choose to tip more to dealers/waitresses who flirt with them do so of their own free will, do they not?
Of course it is a serious question, since you deny that they are flirting for money.
They are flirting for better tips, and tips are money.
You lumped doing a good job in there with the rest of the stuff. Are you also saying that she isn't doing a good job for money, since tipping is optional and the amount, if any, has not been prearranged, like her hourly pay?
Answer my questions and I'll answer yours. :)
Quote: mcallister3200Does an attractive female flirting guarantee she will get more tips from an individual? No. Will the female make more in tips by the end of the year if she flirts from time to time when she thinks it has the potential to increase tips? Absolutely and obviously, 100%, it is probabilities here not isolating one incident. To continue to insist that cocktail waitresses do not flirt for the intent of making more money is condescending and insulting to us all. See you in three days, hey hey.
I....pretty much said the same thing here:
Quote: beachbumbabs
The issue, for the waitresses or female dealers, comes up when a guy takes a flirt as an invitation for a personal relationship instead of a professional one. In general: they don't want to date the guy, they don't want him grabbing body parts, they don't want to get sexual comments in response to the flirt, they don't want to be followed around the casino. They just want to do their job, the guy to have a good time, and then everybody goes home to their lives.
Flirting though, by nature, is personal and when people flirt, biological impulses take over
Just like the body cannot differentiate between actual stress and perceived stress - adrenaline and cortisol are secreted in both cases
Time for a new game.Quote: DMSCRThe vast majority of female dealers at the baccarat tables are not attractive at all! The only exception is at the D in that little high limit area but that is only one out all of the tables I have been to.
Quote: AxelWolfTime for a new game.
You know Axie you're right. I am really thinking about pursuing the Chocolate Pudding Wrestling Fight Club route. The odds are better I have heard. Anyways I don't show up to a casino to flirt or for any eye candy. Or to make friends for that matter. It is to make bank then slip away and to be forgotten. I would hate to take the casino with me once I am out of there and leave some sort of mental/emotional trail. If I want to flirt or anything memorable it would be some cooking class or some other neutral territory.
Or maybe I should just focus on getting my Gungdo Gear Lightning Monk and my Ice Kridershot/Fire Chakram Demon Hunter to GR 50. LOL.
