Sexual Assault at The Venetian
You'd expect a story like this to come from a Boulder Hwy hotel and not a swanky Strip resort and yet, here it is. The suspect was caught via facial recognition tech a few days ago.
Story at Las Vegas Sun
All persons arriving via the airport shuttle are dropped at the "Siberia" doorway and must navigate a long narrow corridor filled with several cameras.
TheVenetian has several "choke points" with cameras, multiple cameras are focused at the same location so gaze angle and head aversion are no longer problems. Processing time has been greatly speeded up by presenting the images up side down. Faces are no longer compared to 12 standard faces with the resultant index vectors used for searching. A researcher's girlfriend had returned from grocery shopping and was annoying the researcher by talking to their dog, so the frustrated researcher grabbed a tomato, bell pepper and a bok choi from her and discovered it speeded up the learning process by several orders of magnitude.
The key cards do not reveal room numbers bur the welcoming courtesy envelope does.
The hall cameras did not detect the lewd behavior but most doorways are slightly recessed at the Venetian.
Faces are compared to domestic violence orders, recent FelonyFlight flyers, etc.
Quote: TigerWuThis is why you should always use those supplemental locks that hotels always have on the door.
Often a joke and mostly an annoyance to spouses.
Quote: TigerWuThis is why you should always use those supplemental locks that hotels always have on the door.
Yes, although in this case her husband was still in the casino gambling and she didn't want to bar his entrance. Considering how things turned out, however, I imagine this poor woman will be barricading all hotel doors for the rest of her life.
Quote: GialmereOn February 2nd a woman staying at The Venetian unknowingly dropped one of her room keys on the casino floor. It was quickly retrieved by a local scumbag who entered the woman's room at 3am, made a video of her sleeping, and them proceeded to rape her. This after riding up the elevator with two other women and committing a lewd act on himself in front of their closed door after they entered their own room.
You'd expect a story like this to come from a Boulder Hwy hotel and not a swanky Strip resort and yet, here it is. The suspect was caught via facial recognition tech a few days ago.
Story at Las Vegas Sun
If she dropped her key, how did she get into the room?
Quote: AyecarumbaQuote: GialmereOn February 2nd a woman staying at The Venetian unknowingly dropped one of her room keys on the casino floor. It was quickly retrieved by a local scumbag who entered the woman's room at 3am, made a video of her sleeping, and them proceeded to rape her. This after riding up the elevator with two other women and committing a lewd act on himself in front of their closed door after they entered their own room.
You'd expect a story like this to come from a Boulder Hwy hotel and not a swanky Strip resort and yet, here it is. The suspect was caught via facial recognition tech a few days ago.
Story at Las Vegas Sun
If she dropped her key, how did she get into the room?
I'm guessing she had two room keys
She probably took one out her envelope, didn't realize she dropped the envelope with the second key and merrily went up to her room
Not JUST that reason, the more likely (imo) scenario is someone goes in and steals their stuff.
Quote: FaceA reminder that signs mean f#$% all. Any place that has sub-TSA levels of screening are places you carry. 100% of rapists find it impossible to rape when all their blood is in the carpet.
A gun nut will never miss an opportunity to spew ...
LV Metro hates people with carry permits and given the realities of air travel , alcohol consumption in Vegas, I'd not advise "carrying" on the strip.
Quote: sabreA gun nut will never miss an opportunity to spew ...
I'm going to take this as a joke teasing Face and stop with a warning. Disparaging and implied political comments are no longer welcome here. If you meant it as NOT a joke, I strongly suggest you not repeat yourself. If you DID mean it as a joke, see above.
Quote: GialmereNot to throw fuel on the fire but what exactly are the gun carry laws in Nevada? I can't see casinos wanting any guest to have a gun considering how emotional people can get after losing a lot of money (not to mention Mandalay Bay). Then again, there must be gun shows in town on occasion.
It is my understanding that casinos have a "no carry" policy, even if patrons have concealed carry permits. However, they have to know you are carrying in order to enforce it.
Quote: Gialmere. . . . and them proceeded to rape her. This after riding up the elevator with two other women and committing a lewd act on himself in front of their closed door after they entered their own room.
. . . . The suspect was caught via facial recognition tech a few days ago.
Lewd act in the hallway? Maybe there will be "male organ recogniton tech" in our future. And a national data base?
I think that is correct bur there is always a chance that someone will report 'what looked like a holster" to casino security and that is dangerous. LVMetro is not a fan. It was decades ago that i got frisked by casino security but in today's climate it might be more dangerous.Quote: AyecarumbaIt is my understanding that casinos have a "no carry" policy, even if patrons have concealed carry permits. However, they have to know you are carrying in order to enforce it.
Quote: AyecarumbaIt is my understanding that casinos have a "no carry" policy, even if patrons have concealed carry permits. However, they have to know you are carrying in order to enforce it.
I agree with this.
As to the OP, good for the Venetian for catching the guy. All due credit there.
I've told this story before, but last year I stayed at a fairly nice hotel in New York City and the front desk checked somebody else into my room at about 2 AM. Fortunately, I had the latch on. He was banging the door against the latch for like five minutes, but I'd prefer that to him getting in.
Quote: FaceA reminder that signs mean f#$% all. Any place that has sub-TSA levels of screening are places you carry. 100% of rapists find it impossible to rape when all their blood is in the carpet.
Given the circumstances of the incident, she would have to have had her gun stashed under pillow while sleeping.
She said she thought she was dreaming at first. More likely scenario by the time she checked back into reality she already would have been overpowered, her gun grabbed by the rapist and held to her head.
The guy got scared off when she said her husband was returning. I wonder how scared he would have been if he had managed to get the victims loaded gun. Hmmm
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm going to take this as a joke teasing Face and stop with a warning. Disparaging and implied political comments are no longer welcome here. If you meant it as NOT a joke, I strongly suggest you not repeat yourself. If you DID mean it as a joke, see above.
Warning for me, too, I guess. Certainly was not an attempt to engage in a gun debate, rather it was a genuine piece of advice. I guess I still have problems with the idea that defense of self is in any way debatable.
As far as "disparaging", I'm only (faux) offended he/she called me a "gun nut", as I identify as an ammosexual. But to quell his/her concerns, my post wasn't intended as political or to rile. You all enter a crowded environment full of degens, addicts, ne'erdowells, young women, old folks, frat douches, famous people, all with heads full of greed and pockets full of hundreds if not tens of thousands of real cash dollars, in a high stakes, high stress environment, full of people trying to separate you from your wealth legally and illegally, far from home and away from your security. Advising you to take protection to the casino is, I would argue, exactly within the purpose of this forum.
That said, you've no worry of any politicking from me. I've gone 200+ days without mentioning firearms here in any capacity let alone a political one, and can easily go the rest of my life never engaging in a gun debate on WoV. But if someone's going hiking, someone's gonna tourist walk the Vegas tunnels, someone's gonna "make a stop" in Downtown East, I'm gonna tell that someone to take a gun. Prostitution, stripping, escorts, dispensaries, taxes, resort fees, they every one of them fits into the "religious" or "political" categories, yet we can and do speak of them and do so outside of the religious or political arena. Firearms are no different.
That's all. As a show of sincerity, I'll continue being as quiet as possible, including ignoring darkoz above so as to not take this where it's not supposed to go (no offense dark).
It is much better to be tried by twelve and lose the debate than to be carried by six and have a eulogy rather than a debate. She was jet lagged, groggy with sleep, slow to wake up, not a good situation for a firearm. He would have taken it and impulsively shot her.Quote: FaceI still have problems with the idea that defense of self is in any way debatable.
Everyone has facial recognition these days, but quality and speed vary widely.
100% of rape victims find it hard to shoot a gun while they're sleeping and probably intoxicated. I can only imagine what would have happened if she had a gun and he found it while she was sleeping.Quote: FaceA reminder that signs mean f#$% all. Any place that has sub-TSA levels of screening are places you carry. 100% of rapists find it impossible to rape when all their blood is in the carpet.
I'm not anti-gun, I'm just anti stupid people and criminals having guns.
Quote: FaceAs far as "disparaging", I'm only (faux) offended he/she called me a "gun nut", as I identify as an ammosexual. But to quell his/her concerns, my post wasn't intended as political or to rile. You all enter a crowded environment full of degens, addicts, ne'erdowells, young women, old folks, frat douches, famous people, all with heads full of greed and pockets full of hundreds if not tens of thousands of real cash dollars, in a high stakes, high stress environment, full of people trying to separate you from your wealth legally and illegally, far from home and away from your security. Advising you to take protection to the casino is, I would argue, exactly within the purpose of this forum.
Your response is understandable. This thread is not an easy topic to contemplate, but it is one that should be discussed on occasion as a warning to visitors.
Vegas is sometimes called an adult Disneyland, but it is not Disneyland. As you note above, a casino is filled with all sorts of people, some of whom are there to target the unwary. If you get caught up in the glitz and glamour, if you're tired or have been drinking or are in a seedy party of town, if you let guard down, bad things can happen.
On a recent livestream Heather Ferris told the story of some people she knew getting mugged walking from the Strat to downtown after dark. My family went to Sam's Town the last time we were in Vegas. One of my daughters is a shutterbug who went off taking pictures while the rest of us gambled. Over dinner she casually related how some guy kept hitting her up for money.
Casino panhandlers (discussed elsewhere in this forum) are generally harmless pests. And, obviously, this story is not in the same league as the Venetian op but, as a father listening to his daughter tell him her story, I felt my spine turn to ice.
Quote: GialmereYour response is understandable. This thread is not an easy topic to contemplate, but it is one that should be discussed on occasion as a warning to visitors.
Vegas is sometimes called an adult Disneyland, but it is not Disneyland. As you note above, a casino is filled with all sorts of people, some of whom are there to target the unwary. If you get caught up in the glitz and glamour, if you're tired or have been drinking or are in a seedy party of town, if you let guard down, bad things can happen.
On a recent livestream Heather Ferris told the story of some people she knew getting mugged walking from the Strat to downtown after dark. My family went to Sam's Town the last time we were in Vegas. One of my daughters is a shutterbug who went off taking pictures while the rest of us gambled. Over dinner she casually related how some guy kept hitting her up for money.
Casino panhandlers (discussed elsewhere in this forum) are generally harmless pests. And, obviously, this story is not in the same league as the Venetian op but, as a father listening to his daughter tell him her story, I felt my spine turn to ice.
Every daughter in NY knows how to deal with guys hitting you up for money (or a date). That would not phase any fathers in NYC
Quote: Gialmere.... but, as a father listening to his daughter tell him her story, I felt my spine turn to ice.
1,000x this.
That's what it boils down to. Stuff like this causes an emotional state that overrides candor; that "chill" you speak of puts me in instant war mode that preempts class and composure.
Add to that, I fall victim to self importance, too. With literally tens of thousands of words on Wiz's sites dealing with self defense and proper firearm usage, I thought my meaning would be well took. But of course, not everyone GAS about what I do, so without knowing my history, it looks like some wanker thinks a gun is some impermeable relic of protection (an idea rightly dismissed) and does not speak to the hundreds upon hundreds of hours of training and education that my comment included but did not specifically mention.
In short, I threw a tantrum. Sorry.
Quote: darkozEvery daughter in NY knows how to deal with guys hitting you up for money (or a date). That would not phase any fathers in NYC
Heh. Perhaps, but what do New York fathers do to protect their daughters from guys sneaking into their rooms at 3am and filming them while they sleep?
Should we ask Face?
You're an interesting guy DarkOz with one helluva life story to tell (from screenwriter to homeless to successful AP), but I have to wonder if there's a daughter in the story along with the endless fear that comes with that territory.
Quote: GialmereHeh. Perhaps, but what do New York fathers do to protect their daughters from guys sneaking into their rooms at 3am and filming them while they sleep?
Should we ask Face?
You're an interesting guy DarkOz with one helluva life story to tell (from screenwriter to homeless to successful AP), but I have to wonder if there's a daughter in the story along with the endless fear that comes with that territory.
My daughter is part of the story (including the robbery thread An AP Nightmare)
As for your question what fathers do, they probably would not be in the same hotel room as their daughter but the same thing as occurred here. Call the police
It's funny that the gun advocates cry when police officers are demeaned but would rather take the law into their own hands when there is an incident
Quote: GialmereApologies. I forgot about that thread. What safety tips do you give your daughter at a casino?
Lol, my daughter is a NY'er.
Usually I am the one reigning her in. She is apt to make a scene much faster than I if she feels someone stepping on her private space
But In general the same safety tips as life. Doesn't matter if it's a movie theater or nightclub or casino. Watch your back, be aware of your surroundings, etc.
According to some news sources, the guy was watching her and saw the envelope drop. This seems likely since if you simply find a key on the floor what are the odds that the room will contain a lone female as opposed to a couple of NFL linebackers in town to promote the league? But you're right ... she had about the worst luck a person can get.Quote: onenickelmiracleFrom my experience, if you leave your keys in the room or if you lose them, you have to ask the clerk to void the old keys which were made. This is some really bad luck for the woman that someone capable and willing to rape found her room key.
Quote: FaceWarning for me, too, I guess. Certainly was not an attempt to engage in a gun debate, rather it was a genuine piece of advice. I guess I still have problems with the idea that defense of self is in any way debatable.
As far as "disparaging", I'm only (faux) offended he/she called me a "gun nut", as I identify as an ammosexual. But to quell his/her concerns, my post wasn't intended as political or to rile. You all enter a crowded environment full of degens, addicts, ne'erdowells, young women, old folks, frat douches, famous people, all with heads full of greed and pockets full of hundreds if not tens of thousands of real cash dollars, in a high stakes, high stress environment, full of people trying to separate you from your wealth legally and illegally, far from home and away from your security. Advising you to take protection to the casino is, I would argue, exactly within the purpose of this forum.
That said, you've no worry of any politicking from me. I've gone 200+ days without mentioning firearms here in any capacity let alone a political one, and can easily go the rest of my life never engaging in a gun debate on WoV. But if someone's going hiking, someone's gonna tourist walk the Vegas tunnels, someone's gonna "make a stop" in Downtown East, I'm gonna tell that someone to take a gun. Prostitution, stripping, escorts, dispensaries, taxes, resort fees, they every one of them fits into the "religious" or "political" categories, yet we can and do speak of them and do so outside of the religious or political arena. Firearms are no different.
That's all. As a show of sincerity, I'll continue being as quiet as possible, including ignoring darkoz above so as to not take this where it's not supposed to go (no offense dark).
I had no problem with your comments, or the general discussion on firearms. The problem comes with him calling you a "gun nut" which is a derogatory term in itself, but also closely associated with the political arguments around gun control. The issue was the slur, not the topic.
Yep, and she had it at The Venitian, the safest casino in town. I'm surprized wierdos don't stick to lower tier casinos, but perhaps he felt safe there or it was hallway fantasies with better looking women. Bad luck can happen anywhere at any time.Quote: Gialmerethe guy saw the envelope drop. This seems likely since if you simply find a key on the floor what are the odds that the room will contain a lone female as opposed to a couple of NFL linebackers in town to promote the league? But you're right ... she had about the worst luck a person can get.
Quote: GialmereAccording to some news sources, the guy was watching her and saw the envelope drop. This seems likely since if you simply find a key on the floor what are the odds that the room will contain a lone female as opposed to a couple of NFL linebackers in town to promote the league? But you're right ... she had about the worst luck a person can get.
God, being a criminal sounds so exhausting. Just imagine being "on alert" constantly, just waiting for a crime of opportunity. Then taking advantage of that opportunity, and trying to avoid other people and law enforcement who might be tipped off to what you're doing. Then physically trying to restrain someone while raping them, or breaking into a house, or robbing a bank, or whatever, and all of the mental strain that comes along with that.
Just get a god d*** job like the rest of us. Your life will be SOOO much easier. Easy money with zero risk. I just don't understand criminals. F****** idiots.
Quote: FleaStiffYep, and she had it at The Venitian, the safest casino in town. I'm surprized wierdos don't stick to lower tier casinos, but perhaps he felt safe there or it was hallway fantasies with better looking women. Bad luck can happen anywhere at any time.
There are criminals and weirdos at all levels of extravagance, unfortunately.
