ThatDonGuy
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May 24th, 2015 at 8:33:16 AM permalink
Club Fortune Casino sold to Nevada Gold & Casinos

Anybody heard anything about the new owners?
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:43:40 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Club Fortune Casino sold to Nevada Gold & Casinos

Anybody heard anything about the new owners?

I though Club fortune was buying the klondike or something like that?

Does Club fortune own or operate any other casinos?

Any management changes announced?

My advice to them don't start changing crap.

They always seem very busy, they have a good operation with fair comps, fairly good inexpensive food and specials (the senior's love it ), addiqite paytables.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 24th, 2015 at 10:03:05 AM permalink
They better not mess with the 1.49 breakfast.

That's all I'm saying
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May 24th, 2015 at 10:05:09 AM permalink
Umm...what is the rule (law) concerning backoffs and barrings when a property is sold to a new owner?

(I actually was not barred from the property just from blackjack, but at a small place like Club F, with table games open only 1 shift per day and minimum personnel both in pit and surveillance, this type of 'backoff is much more a permanent than other places where I generally return after a few weeks)

Even, not being able to play blackjack there for quite some time, Club F is one of my favorites casinos for many of the reasons that Axel mentioned. Good mailers still make it profitable, and I love the diner-like Emily's café, although I have never had the $1.49 breakfast. I also have always like how they treat veterans to a free lunch once a month, even though neither I nor my partner qualify.
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May 24th, 2015 at 10:51:22 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

My advice to them don't start changing crap.


Well, if they change the name and get a new set of chips, I'll be back for a new souvenir!

:-)
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May 24th, 2015 at 5:40:13 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



I though Club fortune was buying the klondike or something like that?

Does Club fortune own or operate any other casinos?




According to an article in RJ, last fall, The club Fortune owner, Mr Giudici, previously owned casinos in Reno and other areas, but has sold them. He has made some bids for other 'distressed' casinos in recent years, including some station properties when they went through their bancrupcy a few years back.

Makes you think that even though the Club Fortune sale article says he will be staying on as a consultant, that his longer term plan will be to hustle some of his local clientele away to the nearby, but smaller, Klondike Sunset, supposedly set to re-open later this year, although there is no evidence of any work being done.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/klondike-sunset-gets-new-owner
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May 24th, 2015 at 6:23:24 PM permalink
I've never even heard of this joint
in the 40 years I've been going to
Vegas. Looking at the map, no
wonder, I would never go to that
section of town.
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May 24th, 2015 at 7:26:58 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I've never even heard of this joint
in the 40 years I've been going to
Vegas. Looking at the map, no
wonder, I would never go to that
section of town.

Yes it's very far and not much to see, however it's not a bad section.
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May 24th, 2015 at 7:37:28 PM permalink
I have only visited Club Fortune twice. I found the neighborhood quite reasonable and the club a bit nicer than I had expected. I described what I saw and experienced there when I posted my souvenir chip in the Casino Chip of the Day thread, here.
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May 24th, 2015 at 7:58:21 PM permalink
What's the status on the cornbead at Emily's, if they change the recipe I am outta there and never coming back.
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May 24th, 2015 at 8:00:53 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Umm...what is the rule (law) concerning backoffs and barrings when a property is sold to a new owner?

(I actually was not barred from the property just from blackjack, but at a small place like Club F, with table games open only 1 shift per day and minimum personnel both in pit and surveillance, this type of 'backoff is much more a permanent than other places where I generally return after a few weeks)

Even, not being able to play blackjack there for quite some time, Club F is one of my favorites casinos for many of the reasons that Axel mentioned. Good mailers still make it profitable, and I love the diner-like Emily's café, although I have never had the $1.49 breakfast. I also have always like how they treat veterans to a free lunch once a month, even though neither I nor my partner qualify.

The mail is limited (never seen anything above $50 bucks) and it requires multiple trips. Not to mention its a very long drive for most. But if you live close and like a solid meal and some extra scratch it's not bad. Especially if it's already on your rotation and 2 people go.

They get them seniors who live close coming back multiple times for small amounts, little promotions and daily dinner specials.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 24th, 2015 at 8:08:39 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

I have only visited Club Fortune twice. I found the neighborhood quite reasonable and the club a bit nicer than I had expected. I described what I saw and experienced there when I posted my souvenir chip in the Casino Chip of the Day thread, here.



I've also visited twice. My first visit was...odd. The casino was decorated for Halloween. Decorated to a very impressive degree for halloween. Like, haunted house level decorating. So I went back a second time to see what "normal" was. It really is a nice little place.
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:08:15 PM permalink
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What's the status on the cornbead at Emily's, if they change the recipe I am outta there and never coming back.



Yeah that is good stuff. I never had cornbread before and only tried it because it comes with the soup, that comes with the steak dinner. It is wonderful. Is that not how all cornbread tastes?

It's a funny thing Evenbob. When I moved to Vegas it was because I had worn out my welcome in AC and I needed and wanted a larger rotation of regular games to avoid traveling all over the country every other week as many professional AP's do. I envisioned that rotation would consist of mainly strip and downtown properties, because that is what I knew from my visits before I relocated. And actually for my first couple years, strip (especially southern end) and downtown did make up most of my rotation. I didn't have a car and lived a block off the strip (mid strip).

But even in those first couple years, I started to explore and 'find' some of those local places, by means of riding my bicycle, shuttles and public transportation. I then realized that the benefit of Vegas was "quantity". The quote I like to use that I stole from another professional AP is "the advantage of Vegas is quantity, not quality". And that 'quantity' consists of all these many off-strip properties.

Now-a-days, I have a regular rotation of close to 30 casinos. Some I only hit a couple times a month, some weekly, some several times a week. And out of these 30 some properties in my regular rotation, there's only a few left actually on strip and that number went down recently by one, when the lion went to crapjack. There are actually more stores in my regular rotation downtown than on the strip now. That's how bad the strip is. :(

And by far my favorite places are some of the small joints way off strip. Even if they are so small that I can't get my regular spread amounts down and have to take a cut in EV. Many of them have some sort of promotion or great mailers, some with matchplay's that make up some or all of that 'lost' EV.

Bottom line: there really is a lot more to Vegas than the strip and a lot of opportunities as well. Ya just gotta look a little. (networking helps)
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:11:27 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Yeah that is good stuff. I never had cornbread before and only tried it because it came with the soup, that came with the steak dinner. It is wonderful. Is that not how all cornbread tastes?

It's a funny thing Evenbob. When I moved to Vegas it was because I had worn out my welcome in AC and I needed and wanted a larger rotation of regular game to avoid traveling all over the country every other week as many professional AP's do. I envisioned that rotation would consist of mainly strip and downtown properties, because that is what I knew from my visits before I relocated. And actually for my first couple years, strip (especially southern end) and downtown did make up most of my rotation. I didn't have a car and lived a block off the strip (mid strip).

But even in those first couple years, I started to explore and 'find' some of those local places, by means of riding my bicycle, shuttles and public transportation. I then realized that the benefit of Vegas was "quantity". The quote I like to use that I stole from another professional AP is "the advantage of Vegas is quantity, not quality". And that 'quantity' consists of all these many off-strip properties.

Now-a-days, I have a regular rotation of close to 30 casinos. Some I only hit a couple times a month, some weekly, some several times a week. And out of these 30 some properties in my regular rotation, there's only a few left actually on strip and that number went down recently by one, when the lion went to crapjack. There are actually more stores in my regular rotation downtown than on the strip now. That's how bad the strip is. :(

And by far my favorite places are some of the small joints way off strip. Even if they are so small that I can't get my regular spread amounts down and have to take a cut in EV. Many of them have some sort of promotion or great mailers, some with matchplay's that make up some or all of that 'lost' EV.

Bottom line: there really is a lot more to Vegas than the strip and a lot of opportunities as well. Ya just gotta look a little. (networking helps)


Yeah, but roulette is all the same!!
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:18:24 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

The mail is limited (never seen anything above $50 bucks) and it requires multiple trips. Not to mention its a very long drive for most. But if you live close and like a solid meal and some extra scratch it's not bad. Especially if it's already on your rotation and 2 people go.

They get them seniors who live close coming back multiple times for small amounts, little promotions and daily dinner specials.



Yeah, that's where my free play maxes as well. $50, 8 different times during the month. But that's ok. Some here, some there, especially.....well you know.

One good think about Club Fortune's mail is that amount drops slower than other places. Some places drop by 50% if you give them no play. Club F drops, 50x8, 40x8, 50x6, 40x6, 30x6, 20x6, then I skip a couple months, hit another big play and start the cycle over again. Plus there is the $25 food credit x 3 times a month, that drops during the cycle to $20x 2 and off course matchplays, which I have to use on roulette, not being allowed to play BJ for a couple years now.
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:19:22 PM permalink
There are two primary types of cornbread. The first is quite moist, with a crunchy crust and a loose,crumbly texture. It's a staple of southern comfort cooking. Prep usually involves (at least historically) putting the cornmeal and other fixins in a skillet that already contains some sort of fat (bacon grease, butter, lard). That's all mixed together, then transferred to the oven to cook. The second type of cornbread is sweeter and fluffier and has (usually) a dry to very dry texture. This is basically a cornmuffin and includes wheat flour and sugar in addition to the usual corn meal, milk, and eggs. I'm guessing the diner prepares the first variety. Both because it's more of a fit with diner cooking, and because nobody gets excited about a corn muffin:-)
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:23:35 PM permalink
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Yeah, but roulette is all the same!!



Give them time. Probably can't add a 000, but I wouldn't be the least surprised to hear 'the empire' has dropped the single number hit to 33-1, one of the days.
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:25:11 PM permalink
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Give them time. Probably can't add a 000, but I wouldn't be the least surprised to hear 'the empire' has dropped the single number hit to 33-1, one of the days.



If you add a triple 0, but make it so 0's only take half your bet, wouldn't that still increase the house edge? PATENT PENDING
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May 24th, 2015 at 9:28:49 PM permalink
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Give them time. Probably can't add a 000, but I wouldn't be the least surprised to hear 'the empire' has dropped the single number hit to 33-1, one of the days.


I'll lay 11:1 that one day, one of those ideas will be true. Maybe even 6:1 :-)
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May 25th, 2015 at 8:41:46 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf?[/q

I , addiqite paytables.



You've gotta be shitting me, just when I thought I'd never be surprised at how bad you butchered a word, you get me rofl'ing, 50% of the letters in the word right! There's no way I'd know what that word was except the context in which it was used. Spellcheck wouldn't have a clue what you're trying for lol.

This one has got me wondering if you're hustling us for an AP scrabble play.
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May 30th, 2015 at 6:54:37 AM permalink
I work for the company that is buying the casino. So far their only casino experience is in WA State so we'll see how they adapt to having a place that allows slots/craps/roulette.
The CEO has a background in other casinos, but I guess the changes will depend on how much the old owner stays involved.
When this company started buying the casinos (well...cardrooms to be precise) in Washington they usually kept most of the same employees, so I doubt there will be much change in the beginning. The mail promos in WA are a little "thin", but that also relates to the small margins that these cardrooms have since the profitable part of casinos tends to be with slots.
As for your question about the previous "backoffs" kewlj, since I assume they will keep a lot of the same staff, it will initially depend on their memory and how much of the personell information they keep. As you can presume from my name, I'm a surveillance guy, but I'm not about to move away from my nice and cool/rainy Washington area down to your desert so you don't have to worry about me looking for you :)
It sounds like it is a casino for the locals and industry people, so hopefully they won't come in there expecting to attract all of the tourists away from the big casinos and keep with the previous deals to maintain their local base.
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May 30th, 2015 at 6:58:23 AM permalink
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May 30th, 2015 at 8:29:32 AM permalink
Dj I didn't know you ate cornbread
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May 30th, 2015 at 8:38:53 AM permalink
@EyeGuy

Does the company plan on buying more of the small casinos around the area or is Club Fortune going to be it for a while?

Also I saw in Washington they have those Washington Gold players cards. Is that only because you have a lot of properties in that area or do they plan on bringing out a Nevada Gold Card as well?
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May 30th, 2015 at 8:59:57 AM permalink
They were trying to build a casino by the motor speedway a couple of years back but the investors fell through. They did go so far as to pay for the 5-year gaming license at the time so they've been looking for at least 1 place since then so the license fee wasn't a total waste. They continually say they are open to looking into places to purchase/invest in, but I don't know what their credit availability will look like after this most recent purchase (14 million cash and around 2 million in stocks for this one). They might be tapped out for a few years unless they do really well in the next couple of years.

They will likely adapt the players cards for Nevada, but I doubt they'll use the same points system as WA state. The points accumulate pretty slowly here and the offers are limited. Of course, a lot of that has to do with the $300 max wager cap the State has, plus no slots, and we can't comp alcohol in this State so the points can't be used for very much (cigaretts and food mainly with montly coupon offers for match plays and similar offers). And without the slot revenues they can't afford to give out too much. Hopefully they maintain (or improve) upon the existing one the casino has because it sounds like they have some decent offers from what the rest of you have mentioned and just rename it.

I see on the website for that casino they have around 500 slots and only 12 table games (and poker). Anyone know if they at least offer craps and roulette currently or is it too small of a place to fit those games in since the tables tend to be larger than "normal" games?
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May 30th, 2015 at 9:11:54 AM permalink
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As for your question about the previous "backoffs" kewlj, since I assume they will keep a lot of the same staff, it will initially depend on their memory and how much of the personell information they keep. As you can presume from my name, I'm a surveillance guy, but I'm not about to move away from my nice and cool/rainy Washington area down to your desert so you don't have to worry about me looking for you :)
It sounds like it is a casino for the locals and industry people, so hopefully they won't come in there expecting to attract all of the tourists away from the big casinos and keep with the previous deals to maintain their local base.



When, I played the tables regularly, before my backoff a couple years ago, there was a fairly regular group of table players each and every day, at opening time for the tables , which was 4pm daily, 2pm weekends. Lately when I am there doing 'tables time', I have noticed very few players. On Memorial day, a day that the casino was crowded, because it was a holiday and the casino was offering their monthly free lunch to Veterans, there was not a single player at any table games. It seemed strange to see the casino crowded and not a single person playing tables.

On my second trip there this past week, I arrived just after 4:30 and there was a single player playing the $3 blackjack table, a regular older woman, who plays several times during the week, I want to say Edith or Judith or something similar, I can't remember. Other tables had no one. It appears to me that their over-paranoia, backing off anyone who varies bets, even those that are not counting...as I have seen them do, and putting in a CSM at the $3 table, has driven away their loyal little band of local table game players. The CSM seems like a really bad fit for a location that has table games open 6 hours a day, BTW. If you are going to lease these machines, I would think you want them at a table going 24/7 or close to it, not a table that is closed 18 hours a day. But what do I know.
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May 30th, 2015 at 9:37:09 AM permalink
I agree with the CSM sentiment. Not only do most players hate them, they only make sense if the table is open all the time and full. A lot of owners/managers read the articles written by people at the large casinos and think that all their "successful" ideas will fit in any environment, which isn't the case. I know that the smaller establishments have a smaller profit margin and therefore sweat everything, but you can't back everyone off for any perceived "advantage".

Now as a surveillance guy, it is my job to identify counters, but it is also my job to make sure that they only back off those that are ACTUALLY counting and are playing with a large enough spread to constitute worth backing off. I take pride in not only identifying those counting, but also those that I "protect" by telling the pit to calm the heck down and to not harass or kick them out because they are just playing and getting lucky. I can't tell you how many calls I get about potential counters that end up being just a player that is having a lucky day. A lot of the time they call and are worried about a guy that is winning who is playing max wagers over and over. I don't have to even count down a shoe to tell them that is not how counting works and to calm down.

I read in the press statement from my company that the Club Fortune Casino sees 16M per year in net gaming revenues and ends up with around 2.4 million EBITDA, so I don't really see why they would panic over most card counting. Hopefully they will relax and go back to only focusing on those with a "large" bet spread and instead focus on pumping up their customer base again. Of course you know how corporations go. "2.4 million is ok, but 3.4 million would be better so find a way to make it happen" which results in the middle-management guys having a lot of pressure put on them to make it so, resulting in them sweating the winners and cutting staffing levels to bare-bones which is how you get the scenario you are describing in that casino now.
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May 30th, 2015 at 10:25:07 AM permalink
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Dj I didn't know you ate cornbread

He prefers rice.
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June 1st, 2015 at 12:34:29 AM permalink
That is so funny that they watch so heavily for card counters there. I had no idea. For a small place they do take their surveillance more seriously than some other local places. I don't even think their size requires a manned surveillance room but they do have it manned instead of just security checking cameras from time to time.... as far as I know. I also work surveillance but not a small local place.

Anyway I hope not much changes with the new owners. I'm a local in the neighborhood and while this isn't my favorite spot nearby it's in my top 5. Their music venue is surprisingly good.
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June 1st, 2015 at 12:59:10 AM permalink
Quote: Area51

. I also work surveillance but not a small local place.
Their music venue is surprisingly good.

They have a music venue ?

Casino surveillance?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 1st, 2015 at 5:24:51 PM permalink
Yep and yep. The venue is small, just a lounge but the surrounding bar area is nice and they get some small decent acts.
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June 21st, 2015 at 5:00:08 PM permalink
I have never been to Club Fortune but after hearing about the cafe I will definitely give it a try.

As far as the new owners go, from a players perspective, they have ruined most of the places that they have taken over and turned them into unbearable sweat shops. Even though the max bet for the card rooms in Washington is only $300 they don't want your business if you bet more than $25 or so and many of the pits will go crazy if you approach table max. It wasn't this way under the old ownerships.

A couple of stories about UWN and their way of doing business.

Their first purchase in Washington was a very successful family run small group of casinos. One is in Seattle and two are in eastern Washington. These three casinos were neighborhood places that served good food and were very busy and were patronized by the same locals all the time. They were like "Cheers" where everybody knew everybody. Each had their own manager who was in charge of the day to day operations and was always on the casino floor glad handing during busy times. There was NO sweating the money and back offs were extremely rare, almost unheard of. Dinner comps and match plays flowed freely. My largest single table games session win in my lifetime came from one of these stores before the sale to UWN, and there were no repercussions even though that win was huge compared to their monthly drop. They just smiled and bought me dinner.

The managers stayed in place for some time and very little changed initially. In 2012 they hired a new CEO, Michael P. Shaunnessy. For about a year before he was hired things started to slowly change. The games started to get worse, and they started changing the menus at some of their places and hired new managers who were not customer service people as the old managers had been. After Shaunnessy was hired they started to become very sweaty and that's when the back offs started happening at many of their stores. They now back off counters that have a max bet of $50 who also play other games that are not exploitable. Just ridiculous.

In Seattle many of the card rooms are populated by primarily Asian customers since there is a large Asian population in the area. In the last couple of years one of UGNs stores had a very well healed Asian woman who loved betting big at mini Bac. In a short time span this woman had a win of 100k at one store playing mini bac. In Washington all Bac tables have 9 spots so a single can play $300 x 9 per round so it's possible to have large swings. Most places would drool at the chance at hosting this woman's play. You guessed it these goof balls told her she wasn't welcome anymore so she took her action to a competitor and lost more than that 100K in short order. You have to tip your hat to management that stupid. They simply don't know how to make money and are are scared of the variance of gambling.

UWN has gone away from having a manager at every store and has opted to having one manager in charge of 2 stores that are in close proximity to each other. They seem to have a boss at each store that reports to a multi store manager. A few of these bosses (certainly not all) that I have seen are some of the worst bosses around. Sweaty and very poor at managing employees. I met one guy in his first couple of days working at this one store because he was VERY interested in my play, read bets with black chips and sweat dripping from his neck, and I asked him where he had previously worked. Every one of the places he had previously worked closed their doors during his tenure. That's some great experience, he will know the proper procedures after the bankruptcy has been filed.

UWN now has 10 stores in Washington I believe, with 8 of them in the greater Seattle area. I haven't been to their eastern most outposts in years but the Seattle stores are mostly sweaty dives and some are downright scary places at times. Their players club sends monthly mailers that give bi weekly match plays and bonus payouts on some side bets that are tied in some way to your average bet (this is old info since my mailers stopped a while ago but my match plays were $100-$150). The restaurants used to have different menus at each casino and some of them had great food, many having daily comfort food specials. The menus are now mostly the same with little variation between stores. My girlfriend refuses to go there anymore but when I was single these were some of my go to places for comped meals.

I have no idea what changes UWN might make at Club Fortune but my assumption would be that whatever is currently good there won't be good in a couple of years. I'm going to try to get to the cafe at Club Fortune before they can screw it up.
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June 21st, 2015 at 5:15:19 PM permalink
That is a really excellent first post for a wingnut.
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June 21st, 2015 at 7:35:33 PM permalink
Sometimes the new bosses just need to sit back and run things the way they are, and the money will pour right in.
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June 22nd, 2015 at 8:08:42 PM permalink
Quote: Wingnut

I have never been to Club Fortune but after hearing about the cafe I will definitely give it a try.

As far as the new owners go, from a players perspective, they have ruined most of the places that they have taken over and turned them into unbearable sweat shops. Even though the max bet for the card rooms in Washington is only $300 they don't want your business if you bet more than $25 or so and many of the pits will go crazy if you approach table max. It wasn't this way under the old ownerships.

A couple of stories about UWN and their way of doing business.

Their first purchase in Washington was a very successful family run small group of casinos. One is in Seattle and two are in eastern Washington. These three casinos were neighborhood places that served good food and were very busy and were patronized by the same locals all the time. They were like "Cheers" where everybody knew everybody. Each had their own manager who was in charge of the day to day operations and was always on the casino floor glad handing during busy times. There was NO sweating the money and back offs were extremely rare, almost unheard of. Dinner comps and match plays flowed freely. My largest single table games session win in my lifetime came from one of these stores before the sale to UWN, and there were no repercussions even though that win was huge compared to their monthly drop. They just smiled and bought me dinner.

The managers stayed in place for some time and very little changed initially. In 2012 they hired a new CEO, Michael P. Shaunnessy. For about a year before he was hired things started to slowly change. The games started to get worse, and they started changing the menus at some of their places and hired new managers who were not customer service people as the old managers had been. After Shaunnessy was hired they started to become very sweaty and that's when the back offs started happening at many of their stores. They now back off counters that have a max bet of $50 who also play other games that are not exploitable. Just ridiculous.

In Seattle many of the card rooms are populated by primarily Asian customers since there is a large Asian population in the area. In the last couple of years one of UGNs stores had a very well healed Asian woman who loved betting big at mini Bac. In a short time span this woman had a win of 100k at one store playing mini bac. In Washington all Bac tables have 9 spots so a single can play $300 x 9 per round so it's possible to have large swings. Most places would drool at the chance at hosting this woman's play. You guessed it these goof balls told her she wasn't welcome anymore so she took her action to a competitor and lost more than that 100K in short order. You have to tip your hat to management that stupid. They simply don't know how to make money and are are scared of the variance of gambling.

UWN has gone away from having a manager at every store and has opted to having one manager in charge of 2 stores that are in close proximity to each other. They seem to have a boss at each store that reports to a multi store manager. A few of these bosses (certainly not all) that I have seen are some of the worst bosses around. Sweaty and very poor at managing employees. I met one guy in his first couple of days working at this one store because he was VERY interested in my play, read bets with black chips and sweat dripping from his neck, and I asked him where he had previously worked. Every one of the places he had previously worked closed their doors during his tenure. That's some great experience, he will know the proper procedures after the bankruptcy has been filed.

UWN now has 10 stores in Washington I believe, with 8 of them in the greater Seattle area. I haven't been to their eastern most outposts in years but the Seattle stores are mostly sweaty dives and some are downright scary places at times. Their players club sends monthly mailers that give bi weekly match plays and bonus payouts on some side bets that are tied in some way to your average bet (this is old info since my mailers stopped a while ago but my match plays were $100-$150). The restaurants used to have different menus at each casino and some of them had great food, many having daily comfort food specials. The menus are now mostly the same with little variation between stores. My girlfriend refuses to go there anymore but when I was single these were some of my go to places for comped meals.

I have no idea what changes UWN might make at Club Fortune but my assumption would be that whatever is currently good there won't be good in a couple of years. I'm going to try to get to the cafe at Club Fortune before they can screw it up.



Welcome to the forum, Wingnut! Thanks for all the insight into Wash and the changing situation there. Great first post!
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June 22nd, 2015 at 9:03:44 PM permalink
I'm not sure why everyone raves about the cafe. The food is mostly frozen prepared (heated up). Yes, it's free due to generous promotions for most. The Carl's burger I'm sure is made with Bubba Beef patties although the bun is unique. The salad is straight up bagged. The only thing I ever found appealing was the Ribeye they used to have for the Friday special. Uggghh, that's gone and I choose to net even eat for free there anymore. To be fair, I haven't tried breakfast maybe I will do that soon.
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June 22nd, 2015 at 10:45:37 PM permalink
The one time I ate their my husband got food poisening. There are far better places to get free meals. Emerald Island is my pick just down the road.

I really like their bar area though, and I get fre play their quite often.
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June 23rd, 2015 at 2:14:56 AM permalink
Quote: MissEye

The one time I ate their my husband got food poisening. There are far better places to get free meals. Emerald Island is my pick just down the road.

I really like their bar area though, and I get fre play their quite often.

Legitimate food poisoning? Or he didn't feel well after eating? How can you pinpoint the source to there? most FP cases happen within 2 to 5 days. Was that the only meal he ate? Rarely do people was there hands properly.

Max I can see where you're coming from but....
The food is fair, but nothing for anyone to get their panties all excited about. It's free(or cheap) consistent and a good variety. The cornbread muffin thing is interesting as a free compliment. The soup is always good, the Club sandwich and others are as good or better as any other place. I was impressed with the size and quality of the chef salad. A different special each day. It's good value and better than the average comparable type of place. Ill take it over Ihop or Denny's. I don't suggest anyone running out there for the food or to play, but if you have a reason to be in the area, it's well worth it.
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June 24th, 2015 at 12:10:06 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Legitimate food poisoning? Or he didn't feel well after eating? How can you pinpoint the source to there? most FP cases happen within 2 to 5 days. Was that the only meal he ate? Rarely do people was there hands properly.

Max I can see where you're coming from but....
The food is fair, but nothing for anyone to get their panties all excited about. It's free(or cheap) consistent and a good variety. The cornbread muffin thing is interesting as a free compliment. The soup is always good, the Club sandwich and others are as good or better as any other place. I was impressed with the size and quality of the chef salad. A different special each day. It's good value and better than the average comparable type of place. Ill take it over Ihop or Denny's. I don't suggest anyone running out there for the food or to play, but if you have a reason to be in the area, it's well worth it.



I'm well aware it's hard to pinpoint food poisening but he is far from the only person I know who has been sick from there. It was the only meal he ate that day and we missed going to a show for his birthday the next day because of it. I still say for good affordable food just hit one of the Water Street casinos either Rainbow or Emerald Island. If you play at Emerald you'll never pay for a meal.

I live withing walking distance of all these so I have years of experience in this hood to speak from.
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June 24th, 2015 at 12:50:00 AM permalink
Quote: MissEye

I'm well aware it's hard to pinpoint food poisening but he is far from the only person I know who has been sick from there. It was the only meal he ate that day and we missed going to a show for his birthday the next day because of it. I still say for good affordable food just hit one of the Water Street casinos either Rainbow or Emerald Island. If you play at Emerald you'll never pay for a meal.

I live withing walking distance of all these so I have years of experience in this hood to speak from.

usually 2 to 5 days so not eating that day is insignificant. The fact that it was the next day suggests that its less likely CF was the culprit.

Unless that's the only place he ate for a while. but you said the one time.

Its like selective memory.


The most common place to get FP is from your house. If that many people had been getting FP from this place, we should have been hearing about it.

Employee, regulars, AP's friends etc have been eating there for years, I haven't heard a peep until now. This leads me to believe people are getting it somewhere else and possibly from poor hygiene. As I said before, many people don't wash their hands properly.
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June 24th, 2015 at 1:03:06 AM permalink
Whether or not Mr. Eye got sick because of something he ate at Club Fortune is so of irrelevant to me (no offense MissEye).

Emily's is Diner quality food. I happen to like diner/café eating. I would say three of my favorite's are Emily's, Jerry's Nugget coffee shop, and Snaps at Eastside Cannery. That's just me. I am a burger and fries or meatloaf kind of guy. I go to a steakhouse and order chopped steak. Lol.

I think Emily's is pretty decent for the value. If someone like MaxPen or MissEye thinks it is beneath them, that's fine. Only thing I am having trouble with is that MissEye thinks Emily's sucks but thinks Rainbow has good food. That seems a strange one to me.

To anyone who eats at Emily's or is heading there because of this thread.....Order a milkshake. Not on the menu, but they have really great milkshakes. Yummy.
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June 24th, 2015 at 9:16:05 AM permalink
Emily's is sub par diner food in my opinion. I wouldn't put them in the same class as Snaps or the cafe at Jerrys Nugget. I like diner food as well but seriously the only thing Emily's has is the price, it's all frozen heated stuff. It's not worth a special trip. I don't feel its beneath me at all. Heck I like the Longhorn restaurant. Snaps has a real kitchen as well as Jerrys. Now Images at the Rainbow is a true diner worth a trip for the value.
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June 24th, 2015 at 9:22:48 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I don't feel its beneath me at all.



Your quote was "I choose not to even eat there for free anymore". I would say that means you think it beneath you. lol.
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June 24th, 2015 at 9:26:50 AM permalink
No, I just think the quality of the offer is that unappealing to me. Beneath me would imply that I'm some kind of snob. McDonald's is another place that I could not be persuaded to eat at.
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June 24th, 2015 at 9:29:58 AM permalink
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No, I just think the quality of the offer is that unappealing to me. Beneath me would imply that I'm some kind of snob. McDonald's is another place that I could not be persuaded to eat at.



So can I assume you would not be interested in trying to eat 100 McNuggets?
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June 24th, 2015 at 11:05:35 AM permalink
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So can I assume you would not be interested in trying to eat 100 McNuggets?


I'm pretty sure I could handle the quantity with little problem but no I wouldn't eat a McNugget.
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June 24th, 2015 at 11:18:08 AM permalink
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I'm pretty sure I could handle the quantity with little problem but no I wouldn't eat a McNugget.

"I'm pretty sure I could handle the quantity with little problem" ZERO CHANCE eating 100 of them.

5 TO 1 ill give you for $200. 2 weeks to take the challenge. you get 60 minutes . That's worth eating some McDonald's nuggets ,you can puke them up after 60 minutes.
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June 24th, 2015 at 1:02:59 PM permalink
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"I'm pretty sure I could handle the quantity with little problem" ZERO CHANCE eating 100 of them.

5 TO 1 ill give you for $200. 2 weeks to take the challenge. you get 60 minutes . That's worth eating some McDonald's nuggets ,you can puke them up after 60 minutes.


Just to make sure I understand this correctly. You are proposing that I put up $200 and should I fail it's yours. If I succeed under your conditions I win $1000. I'm a super fast eater but not sure if I could stomach anything McDonald's. Let me know if I have understood this correctly and if so I might be up for this.
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June 24th, 2015 at 1:10:20 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Just to make sure I understand this correctly. You are proposing that I put up $200 and should I fail it's yours. If I succeed under your conditions I win $1000. I'm a super fast eater but not sure if I could stomach anything McDonald's. Let me know if I have understood this correctly and if so I might be up for this.



I think you understand that correctly. The standard challenge here at WOV is eat 100 McNuggets in 60 minutes and you must keep them down for an hour from the time you eat the last one. You can have drinks of your choice and use any McDonald sauces you choose with the nuggets.
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June 24th, 2015 at 3:06:20 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Just to make sure I understand this correctly. You are proposing that I put up $200 and should I fail it's yours. If I succeed under your conditions I win $1000. I'm a super fast eater but not sure if I could stomach anything McDonald's. Let me know if I have understood this correctly and if so I might be up for this.


100 pieces, 1590g (3.5 lbs)
4800 Calories
320g fat (490% DV)
2g Trans fat (no DV; trans fats were just banned by the FDA because they strongly correlate with coronary heart disease[1])
50g Saturated fat (250% DV)
700mg Cholesterol (230% DV)
9000mg Sodium (370% DV)

Question how much of that would remain in your body even if you did voluntarily purge after 60 minutes.

[1] "Results of four major prospective studies, some with one or more updates during the followup period, consistently show higher trans fat intake associated with increased CHD risk."
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2015-14883.pdf at 38.
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