MrRalph
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August 6th, 2011 at 5:49:09 PM permalink
I honestly can do it fast. It is really easy to set for the sevens you put a 4 & 3 on top and a 2 & 5 facing you and you got it. There were shooters there that were taking longer than me. The fact that I could hit the seven and eleven as much as I did even surprised me. I think what pissed him off was that my dice were getting to the backwall (just not as hard as he would of liked) and I was still getting the seven. The next day I played at a table where a guy threw 3 hard 10's in a row that pit boss did not freak out cause in the end it all works out in the wash. What slows the game down are guys who set the dice a certain way and can't find the correlating faces and flip them and roll them, then shake them then whip them down the table any which way. I also do not like a game that gets held up, that and late bettors tick me off the most so I make sure I never impede the speed of the game. I do not claim to possess enough skill to influence the dice but it sure was fun to set for that seven and see it come up with the eleven as much as it did. I figure the hell with that guy there are plenty of places to play, now if I could only get those box numbers to show up like that.
MrRalph
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August 6th, 2011 at 5:54:46 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

So how long was it taking you to do this? From what you described they either noticed your results or your actions and it seems it was the setting that ticked the pit boss off.

They were commenting about how many sevens and elevens I was throwing between themselves like we were not there or they had a table full of deaf players they never mentioned the speed of play.
Alan
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August 6th, 2011 at 7:19:23 PM permalink
Honest answer: fuck 'em and go play some where else
MrRalph
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August 6th, 2011 at 7:56:29 PM permalink
I concur with your honest answer
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August 7th, 2011 at 9:31:37 AM permalink
If I were a pit boss, I wouldn't care if you didn't hit the back wall, even regularly, as long as you crossed the center line. I think most people here would take the same approach. One of the most annoying things is the back wall harping.
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DJTeddyBear
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August 7th, 2011 at 9:42:26 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

If I were a pit boss, I wouldn't care if you didn't hit the back wall, even regularly, as long as you crossed the center line.

...unless the shooter was next to the stick. Then a short roll better roll/tumble!

Personally, if I were the boss, my biggest gripes would be:

1 - Dice thrown off the table.
2 - Taking too long to set and shoot.

I might be concerned with short rolls, but only if the shooter is setting and/or taking too long to shoot - and only after the shooter has had the dice for a while.
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Fleaswatter
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August 7th, 2011 at 10:55:38 AM permalink
Try this the next time you play dice. Place $1 bet for the dealers next to your $10 passline bet. If you win and press your passline bet to $20, place another $1 next to your bet. If you win again and press your passline bet to $40, put $2 next to your bet (for the dealers).

I would bet my next paycheck that the dealers and pit boss would not say one word about your dice setting and hitting the back wall (unless your rolls were so short that they did not come anywhere near the back wall).
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AZDuffman
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:16:32 AM permalink
Quote: cclub79

Really? Most setters do it in 5 seconds. I'm more annoyed by the guys that roll the dice in front of them a bunch of times before the "real" roll.



So true and even 5 seconds is long. If you know what you want to set you shoud be looking at the dice as the stickman sends them to you and mentally deciding how to move them. I'd wager a good dice setter should be able to set them whilst making it look as though they are just picking them up.

On being allowed to do it I go back to my example in dealer class. When it was my turn to shoot I would set them. A few female class members wondered just what I was doing. Being new in class they wanted to know if it was allowed. They couldn't describe to the instructor what it is I was doing and insisted I "show" him. I said I didn't need to show him and said, "they want to know if a player is allowed to set the dice?"

He said, "you are not supposed to" with a tone that the casino didn't like it but tolerated it. So later when I did it again one of the female students on stick said not to do it. The male students either didn't care or knew all about it. One started "lobbing" the dice in a dice-control fashion when he was shooter.
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ten2win
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:24:06 AM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

Try this the next time you play dice. Place $1 bet for the dealers next to your $10 passline bet. If you win and press your passline bet to $20, place another $1 next to your bet. If you win again and press your passline bet to $40, put $2 next to your bet (for the dealers).

I would bet my next paycheck that the dealers and pit boss would not say one word about your dice setting and hitting the back wall (unless your rolls were so short that they did not come anywhere near the back wall).



So would I!

The only thing they'd say would be "Dealers on the line, thank you for the bet sir!"
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Tiltpoul
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:37:11 AM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

I probably will never shoot dice at the Paris again even though I stay there. I played at the Bellagio and Planet Hollywood the same way with no incident.



The funny thing to me is that now PH and Paris are owned by Caesars. I know there is a different in management philosophies and how dealers are trained and everything between each property, but the old Harrahs corp. (I'll clarify that in a second) doesn't seem like a sweat the money operation. Of course, in every business, there are managers who take it upon themselves to sweat the money, but in general I didn't see Harrahs ever really being that way, especially at the 10 dollar level.

That being said, Caesars properties could be a bit different. Furthermore, Paris was a Park Place property before it was Caesars before it was Harrahs. The training was different. But that pit boss was way out of line. If you were betting 5000 a roll, only betting on your rolls and making a point of taking a lot of time to get the set right, then maybe he wouldn't be, but I just can't imagine a circumstance where $10 and even $40 would make a difference. A "sweat the money" joint probably wouldn't even be that worried.

Were you paying attention to other bets on the table? Was there anybody who could appear as though they were in collusion with you? Maybe that's where the pit boss was worried, but again, that seems highly unlikely.
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