No 7 Stars invite?
I met someone in AC who was pissed he had just found out he will not get 7-star despite (claiming) having close to 200k tier points. We talked about it and it turned out he did a few things that hurt him
1)primarily played good VP
2) took advantage of the offers (which was convenient as he lived close to ac)
3)Played allot of days and had a low (I can't remember what's it called) house take.
It had turned out @ the time your primary casino would make the recommendation and his casino would not even look up your record if you had a low (I think under 1k/day) daily casino take.
While it will be pointed out good standing is important (no casino debts no fights) the aver daily take is what the casino cares about.
Quote: whatmeThis goes back a few years so I tell you what I remember.
I met someone in AC who was pissed he had just found out he will not get 7-star despite (claiming) having close to 200k tier points. We talked about it and it turned out he did a few things that hurt him
1)primarily played good VP
2) took advantage of the offers (which was convenient as he lived close to ac)
3)Played allot of days and had a low (I can't remember what's it called) house take.
It had turned out @ the time your primary casino would make the recommendation and his casino would not even look up your record if you had a low (I think under 1k/day) daily casino take.
While it will be pointed out good standing is important (no casino debts no fights) the aver daily take is what the casino cares about.
You're talking about "theo"...
I would seriously doubt if you made 7*, they'd hold any kind of theo against you...
Even if you did it the new/improved way of using the "Tier Credit Bonus" (2500 in a day will get you a bonus 5000)
I WAS going to go for it...but I found a much better offer (3% cashback on up to $40k per month)
The rules allow them to do this as it is listed as by invitation only. That said, I do not know if there was anything he wasnt telling me, or the many others he told the same story to in the Diamond Club at Caesars.
Quote: BozYes I know a person who stated it happened to them. He was 100% a VP player who mainly played in the high limit room 9/5, stayed in the casino many nights a year, ate at the Diamond Club 150+ days a year and probably lost only a few thousand dollars a year if that much. He had to have a small ADT and when they calculated all he received in return for his play, they must have made a decision not to grant him 7Stars and the trip benefits with it.
If this is all true then they were completely justified in not offering him 7*
Quote: onenickelmiracleIf I had the means, I would never attempt to achieve 7 stars knowing there is no guarantee. If it's by invitation only, why do they even need 100,000 points in the first place?
To give the typical gambler an "idea" of what it takes to achieve it. Typical gamblers will lose a few tens of thousands of dollars per year to achieve this on average. But if you don't have a clear benchmark, people won't be saying to themselves..."Well, if I earn 40k tier in the next 2 months, I can make 7 Stars!"
The wording about "invitation" and "exclusive" are only marketing gimmics. There's nothing exclusive about it. They don't care if you win or lose. I have never heard of anyone denied it. Heck, there are little old ladies from San Diego who play $1 vp at Rincon who have 7stars.
I would like to hear from someone directly who was denied 7stars and not from people who heard about people who were denied it.
By the way, with the new "bonus point structure" you can achieve 7Stars with an expected loss of about $2,300 playing 9/6 Jacks or Better.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI find it very difficult to believe that someone was denied 7stars either because they won too much or lost too little. I have to think there is another problem such as outstanding markers or fights with dealers, management.
The wording about "invitation" and "exclusive" are only marketing gimmics. There's nothing exclusive about it. They don't care if you win or lose. I have never heard of anyone denied it. Heck, there are little old ladies from San Diego who play $1 vp at Rincon who have 7stars.
I would like to hear from someone directly who was denied 7stars and not from people who heard about people who were denied it.
By the way, with the new "bonus point structure" you can achieve 7Stars with an expected loss of about $2,300 playing 9/6 Jacks or Better.
Given his low theoretical and all the comps he was utilizing, they likely determined he was overcomped, or at the very least someone who is barely profitable to the casino. A bump to 7* would only exacerbate that.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI find it very difficult to believe that someone was denied 7stars either because they won too much or lost too little. I have to think there is another problem such as outstanding markers or fights with dealers, management.
The wording about "invitation" and "exclusive" are only marketing gimmics. There's nothing exclusive about it. They don't care if you win or lose. I have never heard of anyone denied it. Heck, there are little old ladies from San Diego who play $1 vp at Rincon who have 7stars.
I would like to hear from someone directly who was denied 7stars and not from people who heard about people who were denied it.
By the way, with the new "bonus point structure" you can achieve 7Stars with an expected loss of about $2,300 playing 9/6 Jacks or Better.
I know we debated this before, but do you think that management at Caesars, who has the best player tracking system in the world, would not make an educated decision based on someone's playing history? Why give them the 7Star benefits such as a free trip when their history shows you are not making anything from them?
Quote: BeardgoatI worked at harrahs. "bonus parts" are not calculated towards your tier credits/card level. While you may receive bonus reward credits for playing certain days or at certain times like graveyard shift, the points do not accumulate towards reaching diamond or 7 star level. They can be used for comps though. The 7 star level is all based on coin in.
There's a new bonus system for tier credits that began this year. They raised the credit level for each card tier, but now award bonus tier credits when you earn certain credit amounts in a given day. The purpose is to make it more difficult for low ADT players to achieve tier cards.
Example: Diamond was 11k credits, now it's 15k. But if you earn 1k points in a day, you receive a bonus 1k points. If you earn 2500 points, you get a bonus 5k.
Quote: BeardgoatSo theoretically you could gamble 14 times and obtain 2500 tier credits a day each time. That is 35,000 credits earned with another 70,000 bonus tier credits. So total you would be over 100,000 tier credits. My money is on you not getting a 7 stars invite.
With the new requirements, it's 20 times.
(2500 Tier + 5000 Bonus) x 20 = 150,000 Tier.
Yeah, for those playing high return video poker, I could see CET be hesitant to invite those players. As Alan pointed out the minimum theo loss to get 7 Stars is only $2300 for someone that plays 9/6 JoB, and 7 Stars is definitely worth more than that.
Sure it's nice to get free rooms anytime you want them but so do Diamonds.
The "annual gift" is worth $200.
The "anniversary dinner" is a $500 comp.
You get free movies in the rooms.
Big deal.
Like I said before, let's hear from the guy who was denied 7Stars. I'm sure Caesars doesn't mind having one more person in the 7Stars line at the cage. And would you mind telling me WHAT GAME at Caesars gives this guy such a huge edge? Does the company have even one postive game in any of its joints? They certainly don't have one game in Vegas.
Quote: BeardgoatSo theoretically you could gamble 14 times and obtain 2500 tier credits a day each time. That is 35,000 credits earned with another 70,000 bonus tier credits. So total you would be over 100,000 tier credits. My money is on you not getting a 7 stars invite.
Here's the formula: you earn 2,500 points per day for 20 days for a total of 50,000 tier points earned.
Each day you earn 2,500 you get 5,000 Bonus Tier Points, so 20 X 5000 = 100,000 tier points.
Combine the bonus tier points and the earned tier points and you have 150,000 tier points for 7Stars in 20 days. And that can be done in 10 weekends or 8 or 7 weekends, because each casino has a 24-hour day.
Quote: AlanMendelsonLike I said before, let's hear from the guy who was denied 7Stars. I'm sure Caesars doesn't mind having one more person in the 7Stars line at the cage. And would you mind telling me WHAT GAME at Caesars gives this guy such a huge edge? Does the company have even one postive game in any of its joints? They certainly don't have one game in Vegas.
Yeah, I think you're right on video poker at least. I don't think any CET property has any >100% poker anymore. The best that exists which I am aware of is 99.96%, in Hammond, IN and Tunica. So reaching 7 Star status could theoretically be done for $200, costing the company. I would expect them to just take a small loss over these people and never offer them anything beyond what every other 7 Star gets.
Quote: AlanMendelsonHere's the formula: you earn 2,500 points per day for 20 days for a total of 50,000 tier points earned.
Each day you earn 2,500 you get 5,000 Bonus Tier Points, so 20 X 5000 = 100,000 tier points.
Combine the bonus tier points and the earned tier points and you have 150,000 tier points for 7Stars in 20 days. And that can be done in 10 weekends or 8 or 7 weekends, because each casino has a 24-hour day.
I understand how the tier points can accumulate to 150,000 with the bonus involved. In my opinion someone who did this would not achieve 7 stars status. However I have no proof or support to back this up.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIt's exactly what I did playing $2 and $5 8/5 Aces and Faces at Rincon where I reached 156,000 points by the start of March. by the way, on the night I made 7Stars I hit a $20K royal for some sweet icing on the cake.
Must be nice to make Seven Stars and be ahead for the year... :P Or at least you better be ahead! Is there any reason you decided to get to 7Stars so fast? I thought you said you were looking to make 7Stars with little play as possible. What about the 10 months left?
Quote: tringlomaneMust be nice to make Seven Stars and be ahead for the year... :P Or at least you better be ahead! Is there any reason you decided to get to 7Stars so fast? I thought you said you were looking to make 7Stars with little play as possible. What about the 10 months left?
I played 20 sessions. My goal was to make 7 stars in 20 sessions and that's exactly what I did. Yes, the royal last Thursday put me way ahead... and hitting the second royal this past Saturday puts me in 7Star Heaven.
Now, I'm afraid to go back. I had a trememdous run of good luck. both of the royals were preceded by quad aces TWICE for $2,000 each... four quad-aces in all. Even after paying the "wife tax" I still have a nice bankroll for future play. But did you ever get the feeling that after such good luck you're about to get hit by a bus??
Quote: AlanMendelsonI played 20 sessions. My goal was to make 7 stars in 20 sessions and that's exactly what I did. Yes, the royal last Thursday put me way ahead... and hitting the second royal this past Saturday puts me in 7Star Heaven.
Now, I'm afraid to go back. I had a trememdous run of good luck. both of the royals were preceded by quad aces TWICE for $2,000 each... four quad-aces in all. Even after paying the "wife tax" I still have a nice bankroll for future play. But did you ever get the feeling that after such good luck you're about to get hit by a bus??
LOL I assumed you only hit one Royal. Randomness says that this doesn't matter for future results though.
I had a nice weekend at the casinos for my play level as well, but afterward, I bothered to hit dealt 4 Deuces at Deuces wild on a 50-play and a Royal on a triple play within 2 days. These were worth nothing though, because it was on the internet for a free contest and these wins def weren't big enough...#%#^#&$%@&@~~~^!!!! Part of me is already thinking I will tank at the 99.96% quarter machines in Tunica in a few days, especially at Deuces Wild. Reading multiple state laws saying the games are always random only gives me so much solace. lol
Quote: onenickelmiracleIf you're up so good Alan, you should try beating Lionshare.
LOL Don't do that! I planned on hitting Lion's Share!
I put $100 in the Lionshare machine and had a good run. And with $101 showing on the meter, I decided to call it a night with a $1 profit. I hit the cash out button and the coins started to drop....
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.... and the "empty light" comes on. it was about 3am and I had to wait for a hopper refill. Unfortunately they couldn't find "the key" for nearly an hour. Finally they gave me a hand pay for the balance, and shut down the machine until they could find the key.
Quote: tringlomaneLOL I assumed you only hit one Royal. Randomness says that this doesn't matter for future results though.
In 2011 I went through about 180,000 hands without a royal. that memory keeps my humble.
When I was at Caesars Friday night, the player next to me hit a $40,000 royal and confided in me that it was his first in about 450-thousand hands.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI have a Lionshare story... about 7 years ago before I was kicked out of MGM properties for craps play...
Story on MGM?
Quote: AlanMendelsonIn 2011 I went through about 180,000 hands without a royal. that memory keeps my humble.
When I was at Caesars Friday night, the player next to me hit a $40,000 royal and confided in me that it was his first in about 450-thousand hands.
Your royal draught, I could believe. The other guy, I would nod my head and assume he was exaggerating at the minimum. It is possible obviously, but the odds are astronomical (1 in ~77k for a single-play machine). And if he wins $40k for it, I will never feel that bad for him.
At MGM I set my dice and had a monster roll. I admit I missed the backwall with both dice sometimes. The table dumped so much money that when I played the next day a pit boss came over to the table and said "If Mr M misses the back wall even once take the dice away from him and he can never throw here again. That was my cue to leave and play at another casino.
About a year later I went back to MGM and as soon as I stepped up to the table two security guards and two suits stood opposite me watching me. I decided not to shoot. fortunately I was there with my sister and brother in law and they had great rolls (totally random crap) and we all walked away with a lot of money.
About the same time I am at NYNY and I am having another "roll of a lifetime" setting my dice, and the boxman says "we don't appreciate dice setting here." And I said "you don't believe that dice setting works, do you?" "Yes we do," said the boxman. This was now the come out roll. I put a bet down for the dealers, for the cocktail waitress and for the porter who was cleaning up the empty bottles and glasses and I threw a comeout 7. And the boxman says "you're through" and took the dice from me.
I started playing at Caesars, where they never bothered me. Probably because I never won much money there on any roll, though I did hit 5 on the fire bet once and threw a lot of four number fires.
But one weekend we stayed at Bellagio because my wife's family was there. I was playing the middle of the night and was DOWN about two grand, when the crew changed. And then I got lucky, and won back a few hundred. but the crew noticed I was setting the dice and demanded that my dice bounce off the back wall something like a minimum of 6 inches or 18 inches... I don't remember.
Then, using a cross six set with 5-4 in front my dice came to rest against the back wall showing 5-4. They did this three times in a row. I swear it was just dumb luck. So on the third time they refused to pay the bet. They yelled at me, I yelled at them, then a floor person watching another table came over to my table and told the dealers to pay my bets. I took all my other bets down. The point was five, and with only a passline bet up, I took the dice and threw them wildly and they bounced all over the table and showed a winnere 5. I took my money and left. Later Bellagio management apologized to me and said the crew was being "retrained." But wait, there's more...
About six months later we are having brunch at Bellagio and on the way back to Caesars we walk through the craps pit on a Sunday and its empty. So I say to my wife -- let me play a hundred. the table is empty and its ony a $10 table. to make a long story short about 20 minutes later with profits in my rack and bets pressed up the floorman says "you're having a great roll, Let me rate you." "No thanks, I don't have a card." "Well give me your license and I'll get you a card."
"Oh well," I said, "here's my card." The floorman took the card and proceded to enter the info in the computer.
I am setting the dice for another roll (very quickly too) and the card comes back to me. He doesn't put it in my rail or hand it to me -- he took the card and threw it so it hit my hand hard. I look at my wife and say "I think they want me to leave." And the floorman says "that would be a good idea."
about three years ago I went to a craps table at Bellagio just to see if they would say something to me and they didn't. Perhaps because Celine's husband was at the table taking out huge markers.
I wouldn't be shocked if gaming places cut off people earlier than they should though. Without concrete data otherwise, I assume you got "lucky" to to the point that it was best in MGM's mind to cut you off (likely a mistake). My mom got "lucky" in the late 90s with slots/video poker and ended up significantly ahead, but she has given that much and more back to the casinos ever since...lol
Quote: AlanMendelsonAnd I said "you don't believe that dice setting works, do you?" "Yes we do," said the boxman.
I lol'd.
