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February 20th, 2013 at 8:03:33 PM permalink
The bad news.

It looks like they are going to start pulling the $20 trick on us for a change.
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February 20th, 2013 at 8:08:20 PM permalink
Looks like the fact my bankroll is getting thin will not be a factor after all.
Since I ain't paying any casino to stay where I gamble..... there may be no place for me to go.
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February 20th, 2013 at 8:26:57 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

Looks like the fact my bankroll is getting thin will not be a factor after all.
Since I ain't paying any casino to stay where I gamble..... there may be no place for me to go.



I wonder what method they'll use for this. In AC, Harrah's charges taxes and fees even on comped rooms. But in Vegas, Stations waives their resort fees on comped rooms. Here's hoping that Caesars in Nevada follows Station's lead instead of mimicking their own policies in NJ...
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February 20th, 2013 at 8:29:01 PM permalink
Just went on Total rewards and I have a offer for MAY free nights....punched in 5 nights in a row total cost $0 add the 6th night and its $132 not showing any resorts fees with my offers?
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February 20th, 2013 at 8:33:12 PM permalink
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February 20th, 2013 at 8:38:32 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

Just went on Total rewards and I have a offer for MAY free nights....punched in 5 nights in a row total cost $0 add the 6th night and its $132 not showing any resorts fees with my offers?



Apparently, if you book before 3/1, you won't have resort fees.
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February 20th, 2013 at 8:39:21 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

Just went on Total rewards and I have a offer for MAY free nights....punched in 5 nights in a row total cost $0 add the 6th night and its $132 not showing any resorts fees with my offers?


Read the article. The fees kick in on new reservations made after 3/1.



I welcome this. It gives me one more reason to get out of the Caesars rat trap.
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February 20th, 2013 at 8:43:18 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Read the article. The fees kick in on new reservations made after 3/1.



I welcome this. It gives me one more reason to get out of the Caesars rat trap.




Guess I better book it before the end of this month ...a hundred bucks is half the airfare back to Calgary
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February 20th, 2013 at 9:31:13 PM permalink
Dammit. I may preemptively book before 3/1 to cover my ass for a possible summer Vegas trip. And now the $20 trick will be to waive resort fees, ofc. Sigh.
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February 20th, 2013 at 9:32:03 PM permalink
My only criteria for booking a stay is whats the cheapest room I can get. This means I always stayed at the IP/Quad/Dump. If they hit me for a resort fee I won't stay there. I'm going to have to look around for another dump that doesn't charge a re-fee.

If anyone knows where the next cheapest place to stay is please let me know.
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February 20th, 2013 at 10:41:54 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

My only criteria for booking a stay is whats the cheapest room I can get. This means I always stayed at the IP/Quad/Dump. If they hit me for a resort fee I won't stay there. I'm going to have to look around for another dump that doesn't charge a re-fee.

If anyone knows where the next cheapest place to stay is please let me know.



The next cheapest place on the strip is still probably a CET property (Quad/Flamingo/Bally's) even with the fee...seriously...lol After 3/1, I would be trying to use the "$20 trick" to waive fees for a 4-7 night stay.
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February 21st, 2013 at 12:19:43 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

The next cheapest place on the strip is still probably a CET property (Quad/Flamingo/Bally's) even with the fee...seriously...lol After 3/1, I would be trying to use the "$20 trick" to waive fees for a 4-7 night stay.



Dang! Quad isn't worth 30 a nite, maybe Wizard will let me camp in his yard and shuttle me to and from the strip... lol.
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February 21st, 2013 at 3:36:49 AM permalink
"[D]aily in-room internet access for one device" what a load of shit. Should be infinite.
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February 21st, 2013 at 3:48:55 AM permalink
The main reason I booked the Rio for my upcoming trip was because they didn't have a resort fee. At least I'm all set for this trip.
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February 21st, 2013 at 4:16:07 AM permalink
The following resort fee related joke is from their own site:

While checking out of a Las Vegas hotel, a couple receives a bill with charges they didn’t expect.

The husband says to the front desk clerk, “That’s ridiculous. We were quoted a much lower rate. I want to speak to a manager.” The desk clerk calls the manager over, and the couple pleads their case.

“I’m sorry,” says the manager. “The additional amount is resort fees. Our hotel has an Olympic-sized pool and a huge conference center available for guests to use.”

“We didn’t use them!” says the wife.

“Well, they’re here,” says the front desk manager, “And you could have.”

Before the couple can speak, the manager continues, “We also have a spa.”

“We didn’t go to the spa,” the couple protests.

“Well, we have one, and you could have,” the manager replies. “We also have Internet access. And an in-room safe.”

“We didn’t use those!” the husband states.

“We delivered a newspaper to your room,” says the manager.

“We didn’t use it!” the wife states.

“Well, you could have,” says the manager.

The husband, anxious to get on the road, says, “Fine. Nevermind. Honey, write the man a check.”

When the manager gets the check, he says to the couple, “Excuse me, but that check is for only $20.”

The woman replies, “Exactly. I charged you $500 for sleeping with me.”

The shocked manager says, “But I didn’t!”

“Well, too bad. I was here, and you could have,” the wife replies.
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February 21st, 2013 at 6:11:46 AM permalink
Eeeww . . . gross.
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February 21st, 2013 at 6:17:38 AM permalink
Is it so much to ask that when I do business with a company that I can get all the stuff done in one transaction? Whether it be a hotel, an airline or whatever. I absolutely hate being nickel and dimed to death. If you are gonna charge $20 for a "resort fee" then just incorporate it into the cost of the room. Don't charge me to check my bag, incorporate it into the cost of the ticket
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February 21st, 2013 at 6:25:44 AM permalink
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February 21st, 2013 at 6:43:27 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Is it so much to ask that when I do business with a company that I can get all the stuff done in one transaction? Whether it be a hotel, an airline or whatever. I absolutely hate being nickel and dimed to death. If you are gonna charge $20 for a "resort fee" then just incorporate it into the cost of the room. Don't charge me to check my bag, incorporate it into the cost of the ticket



It's just an advertising gimmick. By breaking up the total charge, they can advertise a lower price (i.e. the "base" cost).
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February 21st, 2013 at 6:44:57 AM permalink
I know that, but at the same time, I would feel less ripped off if they charged the same amount and I could get it all done in one transaction.
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February 21st, 2013 at 6:56:34 AM permalink
Some properties Downtown still don't charge resort fees.

But I'd better book the 4 Queens soon, before they get any bright ideas.
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February 21st, 2013 at 7:12:24 AM permalink
If such a fee would stop all complaints about the rooms being in poor shape, it might be worth it, but CET probably won't use the money to reinvest in their properties though. When I was in Harrahs AC, there was plenty to complain about the bathroom such as smelly shower curtains and broken drain fixtures. I didn't complain about them then, but I would if I had to pay an extra $60 for 3 nights.
They already charge $12 a beer at the pool and $12 a pack of smokes and where does the money even go.
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February 21st, 2013 at 7:28:01 AM permalink
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February 21st, 2013 at 7:49:19 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Is it so much to ask that when I do business with a company that I can get all the stuff done in one transaction? Whether it be a hotel, an airline or whatever. I absolutely hate being nickel and dimed to death. If you are gonna charge $20 for a "resort fee" then just incorporate it into the cost of the room. Don't charge me to check my bag, incorporate it into the cost of the ticket




Some smart businesses do. Tire stores may advertise "out the door price" but have to stress it. Often the proprietor who does this will find he has to compete on price less. Only thing you should not roll in is taxes, which is sometimes prohibited but a good idea to let people know how much government costs.
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February 21st, 2013 at 7:51:18 AM permalink
That was one of the reasons I got out of auto sales. It was depressing knowing we were making less money on a new car than the government was.
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February 21st, 2013 at 8:13:14 AM permalink
"The reasoning is this saves visitors money and hassle by providing inclusions – like internet access, a daily newspaper, the printing of boarding passes, local phone calls and more – that would otherwise be paid for separately. Thus, these commonly requested services are bundled together into the one nightly cost so customers are not nickled and dimed."

Just hilarious to try to say one big nickel and dime is better than multiple nickel and dimes. Plus the fee of $15 will actually be a nickel and dime. This blog seems to say it will only be in LVNV, but has anyone heard it to be elsewhere?
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February 21st, 2013 at 8:37:45 AM permalink
The question is why would a typical visitor need any of those services? Most people nowadays have internet access on their cellphones, thus no need for internet access, and no need for local calls. Why would I read a local LV newspaper when I could read my hometown Chicago Tribune online on my mobile device? The printing of boarding passes I could see possibly being used, but I don't want to pay $15-$20 for the privilege.
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February 21st, 2013 at 8:50:40 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

The question is why would a typical visitor need any of those services? Most people nowadays have internet access on their cellphones, thus no need for internet access, and no need for local calls. Why would I read a local LV newspaper when I could read my hometown Chicago Tribune online on my mobile device? The printing of boarding passes I could see possibly being used, but I don't want to pay $15-$20 for the privilege.


Yeah, it is just pure bs charging a legal fee whether or not people want them and there is no other reason, but no way to opt out if you decide to stay there. If everyone went to their pool, the casino would not be very happy. Let alone it would be physically impossible to allow the entire hotel guests to be there at the same time.
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February 21st, 2013 at 8:51:34 AM permalink
I'm sure this doesn't apply to comp'd rooms, as we just went to Vegas and stayed at Sunset Station, which charges a $16 resort fee...and we didn't pay it at all (comp'd nights)
So, this really won't affect too many people, since most people use CZR for comp'd nights anyway...
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February 21st, 2013 at 8:58:49 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

I'm sure this doesn't apply to comp'd rooms, as we just went to Vegas and stayed at Sunset Station, which charges a $16 resort fee...and we didn't pay it at all (comp'd nights)
So, this really won't affect too many people, since most people use CZR for comp'd nights anyway...


I would bet the casino is too smart and will eliminate pure comps for lots of people just to be able to snag them by offering a low rate of $1 or higher.
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February 21st, 2013 at 9:01:51 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I would bet the casino is too smart and will eliminate pure comps for lots of people just to be able to snag them by offering a low rate of $1 or higher.


I dunno..with the change to the system..it's so easy to get diamond, it's stupid.
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February 21st, 2013 at 9:17:04 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

I dunno..with the change to the system..it's so easy to get diamond, it's stupid.



But diamond doesn't guarantee comp rooms? I thought only your ADT determines that.
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February 21st, 2013 at 10:21:13 AM permalink
I just contacted Bally's and there is no resort fee charged now or in the forceable future. Could not connect through the above link. Although I did find a site thta stated a $15 per night fee at Bally's.
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February 21st, 2013 at 10:22:24 AM permalink
Quote: keypunch

forceable future.


Pun intended?
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February 21st, 2013 at 10:25:07 AM permalink
Quote: keypunch

I just contacted Bally's and there is no resort fee charged now or in the forceable future. Could not connect through the above link. Although I did find a site thta stated a $15 per night fee at Bally's.


This article as I understood it was only to meant to apply to LV. Did you call them in LVNV or somewhere else?
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February 21st, 2013 at 11:08:18 AM permalink
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February 21st, 2013 at 11:49:35 AM permalink
The blog post at Vegas.com has been deleted. Was it untrue? I can't find any other source reporting it.
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February 21st, 2013 at 12:00:13 PM permalink
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The blog post at Vegas.com has been deleted. Was it untrue? I can't find any other source reporting it.


First Maker's Mark saying it will water down it's bourbon to 80 proof only to rescind, now CET saying it will add resort fees only to rescind. Faux pas or publicity stunt?
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February 21st, 2013 at 12:51:09 PM permalink
From VegasChatter.com:

2.21 Update, 12:06 p.m. PST: Caesars Entertainment officially confirms resort fees to begin March 1. Will range from $10 to $25 a night. This is the prepared statement from Gary Thompson:

Quote: Caesars

Based on the current industry standards in the market and evaluation of the services our guests choose and use, a comprehensive package of bundled services and amenities proves to be the best and most meaningful value to our guests. This is in response to the increasing demand from our guests to provide a package price instead of the inconvenience of separate fees. We continue to do all we can to provide our guests with the best value, best products and best experiences in Las Vegas.

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February 21st, 2013 at 12:56:23 PM permalink
I think it is BS that people are looking for the package.

I wonder if they have been losing business because Most of the rooms on Hotwire are priced deceptively low, but charge a resort fee.

I'm going next month, but thankfully I won't be charged the resort fee because the room is already booked.
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:03:43 PM permalink
Because my wife is a degenerate slot player, we pay for nothing at CZR properties and our host picks up everything, so this will not be an issue for us. But I can see why they are doing this. The ad campaign of no resort fees didnt really help them and if you look at TripAdvisor reviews, many people complain about the fee for internet. So why not join them and make the extra money.

A simple search of baggage fee income shows that the major airlines have made tens of millions of dollars off them and have not been hurt by Southwest not charging them. MGM is in the same boat and probably has not lost customers to CZR's just because of the fees.

When you are broke as Gary Loveman is, you need every dollar and I doubt they will lose any business over this.

In the end, the only person that gets screwed is the customer and the last place to care about them left Las Vegas in 1993.
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:11:09 PM permalink
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In the end, the only person that gets screwed is the customer and the last place to care about them left Las Vegas in 1993.



And that was? I wasn't legal to gamble in 1993.

As for CET, I don't gamble enough to get a comped room, so I am directly screwed by this. I'll likely premeptively book a summer trip before March 1st, and plan on $20 tricks to hopefully waive resort fees in the future.
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:26:41 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

And that was? I wasn't legal to gamble in 1993.

As for CET, I don't gamble enough to get a comped room, so I am directly screwed by this. I'll likely premeptively book a summer trip before March 1st, and plan on $20 tricks to hopefully waive resort fees in the future.



One thing I will bet on is that "$20 Tricks" will not remove these fees. Removing them will not be an option for desk clerks. Just like they have no options to provide suites, it will take a supervisor or host to remove these fees. But then again people think the $20 they slipped the desk clerk actually allowed them to steal something from the casino that they could not have gotten with a smile and a pleasant request.
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:33:28 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

One thing I will bet on is that "$20 Tricks" will not remove these fees. Removing them will not be an option for desk clerks. Just like they have no options to provide suites, it will take a supervisor or host to remove these fees. But then again people think the $20 they slipped the desk clerk actually allowed them to steal something from the casino that they could not have gotten with a smile and a pleasant request.



I have read several times times that it worked for others at MGM/LVS properties, but who knows with CET. Unfortunately I am sorta stuck staying there for awhile due to Reward Credits on my card I need to eventually use. After I burn those off, will definitely consider the cheaper end of MGM properties.

You also didn't answer my question...what place left town in 1993 that cared about the customer?
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:36:23 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

[..]it will take a supervisor or host to remove these fees.



I think it would take an Act of god. Signed, sealed and notarized.
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:38:47 PM permalink
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From VegasChatter.com:

2.21 Update, 12:06 p.m. PST: Caesars Entertainment officially confirms resort fees to begin March 1. Will range from $10 to $25 a night. This is the prepared statement from Gary Thompson:

Quote: Caesars

Based on the current industry standards in the market and evaluation of the services our guests choose and use, a comprehensive package of bundled services and amenities proves to be the best and most meaningful value to our guests. This is in response to the increasing demand from our guests to provide a package price instead of the inconvenience of separate fees. We continue to do all we can to provide our guests with the best value, best products and best experiences in Las Vegas.



What a joke of a statement. Of course, I suppose the stockholders wouldn't have been happy if he had said "we're up to our eyeballs in debt with no end in sight, so we need to squeeze every penny out of the customer we can to make ends meet. Never mind that only 10% of customers actually use any of these services and maybe half of that segment will save money on what they were already spending."

I'm still holding my breath on it becoming official...vegas.com article is still down...oh well, I already booked my May trip which is 100% comped. Hopefully they don't add the resort fees to comp'd rooms in the future, but if they do, I will likely stop staying there completely, assuming I can use this May trip to start generating free room offers from MSS/Boyd or someone else downtown.
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:56:49 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I have read several times times that it worked for others at MGM/LVS properties, but who knows with CET. Unfortunately I am sorta stuck staying there for awhile due to Reward Credits on my card I need to eventually use. After I burn those off, will definitely consider the cheaper end of MGM properties.

You also didn't answer my question...what place left town in 1993 that cared about the customer?



I was thinking about when the mob lost control of the Stardust. They understood that the customer was King. Taking money off the top allowed them to do this.
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February 21st, 2013 at 1:58:45 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Quote: JB

From VegasChatter.com:

2.21 Update, 12:06 p.m. PST: Caesars Entertainment officially confirms resort fees to begin March 1. Will range from $10 to $25 a night. This is the prepared statement from Gary Thompson:


What a joke of a statement. Of course, I suppose the stockholders wouldn't have been happy if he had said "we're up to our eyeballs in debt with no end in sight, so we need to squeeze every penny out of the customer we can to make ends meet. Never mind that only 10% of customers actually use any of these services and maybe half of that segment will save money on what they were already spending."

I'm still holding my breath on it becoming official...vegas.com article is still down...oh well, I already booked my May trip which is 100% comped. Hopefully they don't add the resort fees to comp'd rooms in the future, but if they do, I will likely stop staying there completely, assuming I can use this May trip to start generating free room offers from MSS/Boyd or someone else downtown.



The Gold Spike already charges these fees and the others will follow if they think they can get away with it.
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February 21st, 2013 at 2:14:20 PM permalink
Quote: JB

From VegasChatter.com:

2.21 Update, 12:06 p.m. PST: Caesars Entertainment officially confirms resort fees to begin March 1. Will range from $10 to $25 a night. This is the prepared statement from Gary Thompson:
Quote: Caesars
Based on the current industry standards in the market and evaluation of the services our guests choose and use, a comprehensive package of bundled services and amenities proves to be the best and most meaningful value to our guests. This is in response to the increasing demand from our guests to provide a package price instead of the inconvenience of separate fees. We continue to do all we can to provide our guests with the best value, best products and best experiences in Las Vegas.


Why do they even have to lie like this making up some bs story about how people demanded it?
I have never seen a facebook complaint anywhere for any casino asking for just one big nickel and dime fee.
If I were to be charged such a fee, I would gamble less on site, complain more demanding perfection, and gamble more off-site. If fees were waived for moderate gambling, I would feel better about it. If it has to be some perverted system to stop subsidizing the mooches who never gamble while staying in the casino hotels, I would be fine with it as long as I wasn't charged.
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February 21st, 2013 at 2:40:14 PM permalink
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From VegasChatter.com:

2.21 Update, 12:06 p.m. PST: Caesars Entertainment officially confirms resort fees to begin March 1. Will range from $10 to $25 a night. This is the prepared statement from Gary Thompson:
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Based on the current industry standards in the market and evaluation of the services our guests choose and use, a comprehensive package of bundled services and amenities proves to be the best and most meaningful value to our guests. This is in response to the increasing demand from our guests to provide a package price instead of the inconvenience of separate fees. We continue to do all we can to provide our guests with the best value, best products and best experiences in Las Vegas.


Why do they even have to lie like this making up some bs story about how people demanded it?
I have never seen a facebook complaint anywhere for any casino asking for just one big nickel and dime fee.
If I were to be charged such a fee, I would gamble less on site, complain more demanding perfection, and gamble more off-site. If fees were waived for moderate gambling, I would feel better about it. If it has to be some perverted system to stop subsidizing the mooches who never gamble while staying in the casino hotels, I would be fine with it as long as I wasn't charged.



That is another issue. Why not require a minimum of play on a card to remove the fee? This could get the 40 plus percent of people who visit LV and never gamble to play. Make those who stand in line for an hour to buy a voucher to stand in another line for what they think is half off a show to justify the low Vegas hotel rates they pay.

And yes, I don't like the so called tourists who pay $39 a night for a room, don't gamble a penny and then bitch about their room at The Quad or Flamingo on review sites.
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