Well, I won the incentive at work... what to expect?

It looks like Mr and Mrs Mosca are spending 4 days 3 nights at The Bellagio. I read the Bellagio review, and the thread about unfriendly dealers, and we've spent a lot of time looking online over the past week or so.

We haven't been to Vegas since '94... and then we weren't really gamblers. And we had a 3 year old with us, so when we did play, it wasn't together, and it was for short periods, as one stayed in the room while the other played, then we switched, and finally that didn't really work and we gave up (The Hilton, that trip, which I also earned through work).

What should we expect? I play tables for $25, and I just started enjoying blackjack again. Mrs plays slots, mostly quarter but some multiline penny, and sometimes dollar, and she paces herself. If the action at The Bellagio is too hoity-toity for us, we'd have no problem at all hitting the door for someplace else, as long as it isn't all that far. What's good nearby, if we don't like our home base?

Shows... we've seen a couple of the Cirq shows, and they're obviously impressive as hell. Mrs wants to do a traditional Vegas show, like Cher, or Manilow, something like that. Honestly I think those would probably be pretty decent, but I'm not a fan of either. Any suggestions? Of the two I'd probably pick Manilow, he's professional as all hell IMO and would deliver. Any other suggestions here?

I got the word on the gardens, I'll be bringing the camera.

Try the Venetian or the Pallazo. Once you stay there, you won't want to go back to the Bellagio.

If it must be an MGM property, then try the Aria. The rooms are great and the staff is a bit warmer then the other properties.

You'll have no trouble finding $25 blackjack at the Bellagio, and there are frequently several S17 games going at that limit.

They also have plenty of slots in those denominations.

As for proximity, the Bellagio is right at the heart of the Strip, so you'll be within a short walk of many other casinos.

Manilow puts on a good show.

If you want to splurge on a show, see "O". I've also enjoyed the Blue Man Group, though I would definitely say it's not for everyone.

You don't have to gamble at Bellagio, but most of the adjacent properties are just as high-end, high-priced, and terrible-value. I would hoof it over to the Palms or the Gold Coast if I wanted to gamble. I would also not play $25/hand, but that's up to you. Note that your wife's slot experience will be MUCH, much better at the Gold Coast or Palms than on the Strip, which gives the worst returns in Vegas. It's a ten-minute walk, or a free shuttle to the Gold Coast from the Barbary Coast (and you can use that same shuttle to go to the Orleans, another place that offers much better value than the Strip).

Congratulations Mosca! You have worked hard and done good.

The fountains in front of the Bellagio are the best free thing in the whole city. Do take some time one evening to venture out front with Mrs. Mosca to enjoy the show. They rotate presentations every 15 minutes on weekend evenings, so you don't have to wait long.

You can also enjoy the fountains from restaurants on the hotel side of the lake. Circo has lake views and is not too bad price wise for a restaurant in the Bellagio. Reservations are a must.

The buffet at Bellagio is famous. Unfortunately, fame has a high price. Expect to wait in a looong line (unless you are fortunate enough to score a "line pass" from your host.)

As for Cirque shows, "O" at Bellagio is a standard.

Do visit The Venetian/Palazzo complex. Take a gondola ride with the Mrs.

At the shops near Ceasar's Palace, grab a free truffle from the chocolate clock.

I don't know if you would enjoy the Wynn/Encore, not much to make it "special" compared to Bellagio, but it does have a different, more personable vibe since it is smaller.

If you are into the Rock and the Roll, the Hard Rock Hotel should be one of your stops. Lots of interesting memorabilia, but usually loud and crowded, depending on who's performing in, "The Joint".

Have a great time!

My wife and I have stayed at the Bellagio 2 times, and I never get the impression that the casino is hoity-toity or stuffy as many reviews have stated. To me it's very low key, and that is the antithesis of the loud/flashy/excitement that people are looking for in Vegas, so that may be a reason for the negativity. They do ask for keycards religiously at all times for hotel elevators, so make sure you have them on you.

Since Bellagio is at or near the top in MGM chain, I would not expect many comps at all, even at the $25 level. I know from a slot perspective, the players club wants to see 1000 pts before they even talk comps. Blackjack runs the gamut, from the $5 CSM handicap tables, to multiple $500 minimum tables. If you want to run into Phil Ivey, he usually plays craps there.

Now that the tram rums between Bellagio and Monte Carlo, you can take it for a quick jaunt to the south strip (MGM/MC/NYNY) if you feel uncomfortable.

The one thing Bellagio doesn't have is many low-end restaurants, other than the 24 hr cafe and the coffee/bagel shop, but even then you could spend $15 a person for coffee and a muffin.

As for slots, my wife found plenty of penny to play, and they had a fair number of quarter 3 reel/1 line last year. Not sure if that has changed.

-B

I will respectfully disagree with Mr. MKL. If it is your first time in Vegas since '94, don't bother with the Gold Coast and Palms. You haven't seen any of the new stuff on the Strip, like Venetian, Wynn, Aria, Bellagio, Paris etc., and those are must-sees. Get those out of the way first before you hit the off-strip places. The MGM properties do offer liberal strip rules (0.26% house edge) on their shoe games so you could play $25 a hand there for a long time with a small expected loss, and probably get a comp or two. I don't know about their three-card payouts. Slots are slots. The Palms does have better payouts, but you're already playing slots, so it's not going to be that much of a difference. You also might get more comps if you focus your slot play at the B.
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If you have extra time at the end of your trip, you might consider going off-strip but you could easily fill four days with just strip activities. I like to mix. The allure, grandeur and overall niceness of the strip properties makes it worth my while to gamble a bit there. But for serious (?!) play and long-term sessions I go off-strip. Just don't play at the Harrah's properties.

Enjoy the trip. The Bellagio's worth a stay I believe and the rooms are beautiful, but I personally love the Wynncore properties and casinos better. The Bellagio is in the center of the strip though. Dealers are far friendlier there and drink service is regular no matter what you are playing (slots are always slower). The Bellagio dealers during the day are just surly. However, I had a great dealer experience playing Pai Gow Poker. I wouldn't say the Bellagio was hoily-toily at all, but it was simply unfriendly. With lots of competition around, there was no reason to behave that way, even if I was playing $10 blackjack (which is always available). And the behaviour was the same among many dealers on the days I was playing there (I wrote the Bellagio review on this site). At the $25 level you'll likely run into a more friendly crew.

Do the $20 trick and try to get the water view if you haven't already.

Something nearby? Walk across the street to the Paris. Slumming it? Try Ballys. Looking for Chic? Hop over to Aria or go kitty corner to Bills. And Caesars is across the hallway.

And I completely agree with the previous poster. If you haven't been to Vegas since '94, stay on the strip. See the Eiffel Tower, the new volcano show at Mirage, and the Venetian (St. Peter's)/ Wynn / Encore properties. The interior of the Paris in my opinion is beautiful.

So bring your walking shoes and have a blast. We're looking forward to your trip results.

Quote: boymimbo

If you haven't been to Vegas since '94, stay on the strip.

Just make sure you buy a one day bus pass and see the light show Downtown. It's worth it.

Quote: Nareed

Just make sure you buy a one day bus pass and see the light show Downtown. It's worth it.

Be sure to buy the bus pass. I like the bus service, so I would pay for it whether or not they ever policed it, because if we don't pay for it, it will go away. However, on Sunday the Transit police were getting on the buses and checking to see if everyone had a valid ticket. Not sure how much the fine would be, but you can bet it is more than the $7 24 hour pass fee.

Mosca,

I have nothing to add except to say to enjoy the trip.

Clearly, we are neighbors and have probably crossed paths at Mohegan Sun-PD. I look forward to reading any of your comments on your perceptions of what you see in Vegas vis-a-vis Route 315.

Enjoy.

Quote: Nareed

Just make sure you buy a one day bus pass and see the light show Downtown. It's worth it.

If you are a history buff, then by all means head down to downtown Vegas.

But in my opinion, if your total trip is 4 days / 3 Nights, there is too much great stuff to see and do on the strip, and you won't have time to go downtown.

A great diversion in the afternoon is to see Mac King at Harrah's. You can oftentimes get coupons for ~ $ 10 tickets from Harrah's employees at the entrance to the casino from the courtyard area. I have found that a small tip there with the Ushers will get you great seating, even with the discounted General Admission ticket price.

Thanks, everyone.

We land at about 1:30 Sunday. Transportation to the hotel is covered, as is a welcome reception @ 6PM. We figure to hit the room, spiff up, then see the hotel, the gardens, the Fiori Di Como, the fountains; I'll take the camera, Wiz, and see if I can get back-roomed! The reception is "meet & greet"... frankly, we don't care to meet a bunch of high A types. We got tickets to see "O" @ 7:30. Afterward we'll hit the casino and pretend to know what we're doing. I gave Mrs Mosca $500 from my nice hit the other day to put away, she'll have a blast.

Monday there's an awards dinner, I have to go. Mrs' exact words: "Do you really think I won't be able to find something to do in The Bellagio while you're at that party?" It'll be a really nice party, though. We'll probably game around the ceremony.

Tuesday we're free; I checked out that Mac King, he looks pretty funny actually. Mrs wants to see Cher but I'm not a fan. Manilow is too expensive. I think we will not see any headliners.

Wednesday, well, the flight leaves at 8:45AM, so, 3 days 3 nights. But since we lose 3 hours, that beats landing at 6AM Thurs and showing up at work 2 hours later!

Mosca,

How was the trip?

I haven't taken it yet!

I intentionally haven't said the dates, out of a sense of privacy. I really don't think it would be too hard for someone to find me on the 'net if they want to, then find me in real life, and then find out when I'm gone. Call me paranoid. But to me it just makes sense to be circumspect about those things.

I've always been a big believer in freedom, and in giving my daughter the tools to succeed in the world. I got her a laptop when she was 11. But at the same time, I'm not an idiot; I installed keystroke tracking software and screenshot capture software on it, and I told her that I did, just so she'd know both that Dad is watching, and that if someone needed to investigate her history, we could do that. I didn't check it all that often, but I did it every couple weeks. She was doing typical kid things; games, Harry Potter stuff. And then I found that someone on the Harry Potter forum was PMing her. And that person didn't seem to be OK. The conversation wasn't anything racy, but still. So I did some poking around, and with my limited skills I found out the guy's name and address, his age, and what he did for a living. And since I had some friends, I asked my friend the FBI agent to check him out, and I asked my friend the computer expert to see if he turned up in any criminal databases. Both came back as negative. So I made up a new Yahoo email address and I sent the guy an email, and I told him that I was her dad, and that I was watching him, and that I knew everything he wrote, and when, and from where; I told him his name, address, and place of employment (schoolteacher). He wrote me back that it was good that I was watching, but there was nothing wrong, etc; I wrote him back that I didn't care what he thought, I was watching him. He stopped.

Anyhow, the point is that it took me about 15 minutes to find this guy from his username on an internet forum. And I'm not really all that skilled. Remember tuttigym? It took me about 6 keystrokes to find him. (Not including typing his name, which is obviously 7 keystrokes!)

After the trip, I'll post here. I kind of feel a little like an outsider, seeing as how this is a Vegas forum and we haven't been there for over 15 years!