My $200 Vegas Hooker
I'm scared to ask.Quote: petroglyphFor bragging rights?
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So late one evening in August 2011 I decided to play 8/5 Bonus poker at the bar. I sat down next to a Latino guy with his black girlfriend. The only empty seat at the bar. She was sitting next to me–he was on the other side. I glanced over and noticed that she played pretty good basic strategy. It’s pretty easy to start a conversation at the bar. I said something to her like, “Are you winning?” I didn’t say anything to make the guy think I was hitting on his girl. Just being friendly.
Interesting how this jives. In the book "Super Casino" they have breakouts of stories of some real life people, one being a local hooker. Said hooker when she first started working town said a bartender called her over and told her to watch how she solicits at his bar. Guy explained if she wanted to work it she was to sit there and play video poker and let the johns come up to her. Oh, and for the privilege of working the bar she had to kick up $20 per trick, in advance. In return, he would tell her when security was watching the place. As time went on, she learned she didn't even have to discuss this with bartenders, just tip $20 and everyone knew the deal up and down the strip.
Quote: GreasyjohnYou know, I didn’t notice hookers when I was young. Now, I can’t not notice them. But it’s not eyesight that improves with age, it’s how you interpret what you’re seeing.
Back in August 2011, I went to Vegas with a friend named Daryl that I’ve know since I was 14. As a matter of fact, this friend and I went to Vegas together on my first gambling trip when I was just 21. On this earlier trip we stayed in one of the motel-style rooms at the Stardust. But on this 8-11 trip we were staying comped at Casino Royale.
Casino Royale used to have natural quad vp coupons that paid $25. And there was a $40 coupon if the quad was one of three numbers, usually 6,7,or 8 or 5,6 or 7. I would play their 8/5 Bonus Poker until I got a 4OAK. If I was lucky enough to get the $40 coupon win first, so much the better, because then I could play the $25 Any-4OAK coupon. (But if I got the Any-4OAK first I would probably stop playing.) These coupons turned their 8/5 game into +EV. Casino Royale also gave you a $5 match play coupon and another coupon where blackjack pays 2:1 (max bet $25). I would play this coupon at their 6:5 game. +EV here too, about +2.25%. Get the blackjack and quit. Of course, all these promos came to an end a couple of years ago.
But back in 2011 they had all these promos going strong. And there have always been a lot of working girls at Casino Royale. They had this one blond girl. Cute as sin. Looked like Janet Munro. If a girl looks at you and holds her gaze and you’re old enough to be her father then it’s time for a reality check. She’s not attracted to you. She’s hoping for an easy customer.
So late one evening in August 2011 I decided to play 8/5 Bonus poker at the bar. I sat down next to a Latino guy with his black girlfriend. The only empty seat at the bar. She was sitting next to me–he was on the other side. I glanced over and noticed that she played pretty good basic strategy. It’s pretty easy to start a conversation at the bar. I said something to her like, “Are you winning?” I didn’t say anything to make the guy think I was hitting on his girl. Just being friendly.
So we chatted a little, and the guy gets up and leaves. I thought to go to the restroom. The girl says to me, “That guy was giving me the creeps.” I was surprised. Then she says, “ He said, ‘I guess you’re busy.’ ”
This girl had a pretty complexion and nice hair in style that complimented her tall height. Nice hands, long fingers. Filled up those jeans nicely. I was stealing a glance. And pleasant enough. So we’re chatting and I ask her what she does for a living. And she says she likes to have fun. Well, I’m pretty sure I know where this is leading. We continued to chat. She ask me the #1 hooker question: "Are you staying here?" Usually that's followed up with, "Are you alone?" I don't remember if she asked the later, but it was revealed through our conversation that I was indeed staying here, and was with my friend. I also mentioned that I had a comped room at the Four Queens that I wasn't even using. (Room came with some match play or such, so I took it. Gave them some action to stay in good standing.) I probably mentioned this empty room because it kept with the theme of our encounter.
We talked about gambling and Vegas. She reveled that she worked for some company answering the phone. After about 20 minutes or so this encounter had run its course. It was nice meeting her, but I'm not interested in a woman being with me because I give her money. I told her that I was going to get going. Then I said, "It was nice to meet you." She said, "How do you know?" I said, "I know. You're very cute."
So I left for nowhere in particular. But don’t think I'm immune to sensual desire. If some beautiful, hot 20-year-old with luscious lips, flawless completion, legs you want to touch comes along, I can fall into the whirlpool of lust and bad decisions. Probably costs $2,000 to have such dreams. If she was with me my life would be only about that encounter. The past and future just time I had to endure for this fleeting joy I'm about to savor. But the fantasy is almost always better than reality. If I could see a video of her last several encounters I'm sure it would leave me flaccid. You were with that guy?!
So as I left this working girl at the bar (sorry I can’t remember the name she gave me) I was somewhat bored. Didn't really feel like gambling. I strolled over to Harrah's and walked around. Then I watched a craps game for about 10 minutes. Then I strolled back to Casino Royale and watched a craps game there. I might have bought-in but didn't quite have the enthusiasm. I looked over and noticed that she was still at the bar. I eventually strolled over to a bank of video poker machines near the Players' Club. So as I'm sitting there playing Bonus Poker, who walks by and sits next to me?
I was glad that she did. There's always optimism when the possibilities of sensuality and a new interest meld. As we sat there I was glad to be in the grip of expectation. I was glad that after I thought our flirtation had run its course, she didn't. As we chatted the conversation turned to how we might spend some time together. She brought up just going out and having fun.
The allure has palpable. We'd have some drinks. Laugh loudly. Maybe dance. I'd hold her close and let my hands gently feel her body through the texture of her clothes, feel her back and shoulders through her blouse, feel the strap of her bra, caress the sides of her waist above and below the top of her pants. I wanted to have fun, wanted to feel my heart race! And the older we get the less often the train comes to the station. Next stop Naughty Town!
"Let's go." I said. So as we were walking to my room to get my keys I let her wander a few steps ahead of me to enjoy the view. The room was out of the question for any aerobics. If we were to go anywhere it would be to my empty room at the Four Queens. But this wasn't about that, it was about desire and romance. I was thinking of the fun that might lead to intimacy, not the act itself.
When we got to the room my friend Daryl was asleep. It's about midnight. He's snoring an alcohol imbued melody. He awakes a little to notice what I brought home. She asks to use the restroom. While she's in there the thought crossed my mind that she's calling some guy to come to our room and rob us. Can't help what comes across our minds, can we? As soon as they make that illegal we're all screwed.
I’m reminded of what happened back in 2008 at the Orleans. A couple of hookers had arranged to meet two guys who had a room there. When they were all four in the room an accomplice of the girls shows up to rob the men. They resisted and the armed man shot one of them in the abdomen. Guy lived. After I read about that story I actually called the Orleans and suggested they should do more to clean up their property. I had stayed there on several occasions back around that time, until the offers for comped rooms dried up. The Orleans used to have guards checking for keys at the hotel tower elevators. But the place still had a lot of “activity”. When crimes are committed against johns most johns don’t press charges. Their wives or girlfriends wouldn’t share their indignation. And coming back to Vegas to testify is a lot of trouble. DIs and the girls know that.
So back to my friend, me, and the hooker in the bathroom. She comes out of the restroom, and with keys in hand we head for the parking garage. As soon as I start the car I realize how foolish this all is. I allowed what I wished would happen to get confused with what really would happen. I had my fantasy about how this would go, but it was really all about her getting paid. So as we're driving out of the garage reality sinks in even more. I felt like saying how I'd made a mistake, how this was all a bad idea. But it was just too embarrassing to blurt it out while still in the parking structure. By extending the drive I could stretch out my foolishness. I headed south on the service road that used to run from Casino Royale to Flamingo and parallels Audrie. Pretty sure it doesn't go through now with the High Roller there. At Flamingo I headed west going nowhere. Small talk ensued. We got around to the business at hand and she asked me if my lack of enthusiasm had to do with the money. "Is it the money?" she asked. And I said "Well just out of curiosity, how much is it?" And she said, "$200". She said, "Come on, don't worry about the money. Just put it on top of the dresser and we'll just be together." Somewhere about a mile west of the freeway I had turned around and was heading back to Casino Royale. She reached over with her hand to see if a brief touch could jump start me. She mentioned that I seemed ready to go, but hey, it's my body and I wasn't feeling frisky. It's easy to go from frisky to foolish but not the other way around.
When we got back to the parking garage she mentioned something along the lines of having a party right there in the car. But I ignored the entreaty. As we walked to the rear entrance to Casino Royale she ask me to give her $20. I didn't make the effort. She said, "Come on, you know how this works." But the way it works for me is that she made made me an offer for her charms at a certain price, and I declined the offer. There was no agreement that just spending time with her would cost me a certain amount. That may be the way it is in her world, but not in mine. If at any time during our encounter she felt she was wasting her time she could have gone on her way. I feel in no way obligated to help her make that decision.
It just felt off to give her $20 for this experience. It all boiled down to grab the twenty and go. If the whole thing seems less attractive to her because she doesn't have my $20 then maybe that's as it should be. And really, she pursued me. I would not have sought her out after I said goodbye at the bar. So when I balked at giving her money she said to me, "Now when you gamble you're going to lose." And I said, "Well, if I do I'll come find you."
She turned to go into the casino, and I turned to go to my room.
You know, I just can't see paying for it. I want to be with a woman that wants to be with me without getting paid. And any great sex with a working girl would come with anxiety while waiting for the results of an Aids test or some other smorgasbord of lamentations. But we often aren't thinking clearly when it comes to pleasure and desire. Getting rolled or drugged. No thanks. Tread carefully. And if you ever have a similar experience that is more sublime, sweet dreams.
Personally, I think $200 for well executed fellatio from a girl younger than your daughter is money well spent...
Quote: bobsimsPersonally, I think $200 for well executed fellatio from a girl younger than your daughter is money well spent...
That may be true in theory, but it would be even better if she did it for free. And if it's performed while wearing a condom (sorry to add reality to the equation) then it's like having the best steak and lobster dinner imaginable but not being allowed to swallow.
Quote: soxfanSadly, I have never been propositioned by a working girly, hey hey.
Neither have I. But, people have told me I look like a cop, so there's that.
Quote: GreasyjohnThat may be true in theory, but it would be even better if she did it for free. And if it's performed while wearing a condom (sorry to add reality to the equation) then it's like having the best steak and lobster dinner imaginable but not being allowed to swallow.
Helps you last more than 30 seconds, and with no actual skin contact it wouldn't be like really cheating on my wife, right?
Quote: petroglyphHelps you last more than 30 seconds, and with no actual skin contact it wouldn't be like really cheating on my wife, right?
Ask her.
Quote: petroglyphHelps you last more than 30 seconds, and with no actual skin contact it wouldn't be like really cheating on my wife, right?
Lol @ the "not cheating" justification. Some people take it a step further and don't even consider oral sex as real sex, so they aren't cheating. Lol.
The 30 second thing sounds like a whole different issue. :/ (and at that rate, $400 per minute)
$200 for oral sex sounds like a lot to pay for that particular act. Especially since females generally hate that act and end up using mostly their hands.
And finally, @ $200 a pop, I would owe my partner $400 a day, or about $146,000 per year. That is 46 grand more than I average per year from total AP play and 3 times as much as I made last year (down year). So, one could look at it as marriage was a cost saving, AP move for me. :)
Quote: kewljLol @ the "not cheating" justification. Some people take it a step further and don't even consider oral sex as real sex, so they aren't cheating. Lol.
The 30 second thing sounds like a whole different issue. :/ (and at that rate, $400 per minute)
$200 for oral sex sounds like a lot to pay for that particular act. Especially since females generally hate that act and end up using mostly their hands.
And finally, @ $200 a pop, I would owe my partner $400 a day, or about $146,000 per year. That is 46 grand more than I average per year from total AP play and 3 times as much as I made last year (down year). So, one could look at it as marriage was a cost saving, AP move for me. :)
Twice a day! Did you have to utilize any brain washing techniques in order to get those results? It's no wonder you've mentioned that you're pretty happy with your life.
Quote: GreasyjohnTwice a day! Did you have to utilize any brain washing techniques in order to get those results? It's no wonder you've mentioned that you're pretty happy with your life.
Doesn't EVERYONE get twice a day? Lol.
Quote: kewljDoesn't EVERYONE get twice a day? Lol.
No. But tell your partner that most people get it three times a day.
Quote: AxelWolfFor those who are obsessed http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/mar/03/the-results-are-in-study-reveals-average-penis-size
wholly shit, a 20 inch flacid. Now that just destroys the averages and my sense of pride.
Quote: aceofspadesAhhhhh the infamous Lady in Red
Maybe she will be there in April lol
Ace, I hope you can make it to the WOV Spring Fling in May... We could have a 'combined'-ish trip report to end all trip reports lol.
Quote: kewljIn all seriousness, I read somewhere, that the discrepancies in some of these studies has to do with measuring technique, measuring along the top as opposed to the bottom.
As an engineer I pride myself on statistically accurate results. This is why I measure from the side, no joke.
Quote: Greasyjohn... And if it's performed while wearing a condom (sorry to add reality to the equation) then it's like having the best steak and lobster dinner imaginable but not being allowed to swallow.
Swallowing is always extra...
Quote: GWAEwholly shit, a 20 inch flacid.
They're not using Freedom Units ;)
Get use to it. When I come to power, we too shall finally enter the era of common sense that is metric.
Quote: RomesAce, I hope you can make it to the WOV Spring Fling in May... We could have a 'combined'-ish trip report to end all trip reports lol.
Although that would be magical - it is tough for me to do vegas back-to-back months
Quote: aceofspadesAlthough that would be magical - it is tough for me to do vegas back-to-back months
tough != impossible ;)
Quote: GWAEwholly shit, a 20 inch flacid. Now that just destroys the averages and my sense of pride.
Not to worry, the measurements are centimeters, not inches.
No need to jump off that bridge.
Like, I would say the average for a guy who was standing outside naked in the freezing cold would be a lot less than 3"..
Quote: sc15I'm curious though, how do they define "flaccid"
Like, I would say the average for a guy who was standing outside naked in the freezing cold would be a lot less than 3"..
Sometimes when it's cold it's like a little gopher with his head below the surface of the hole.
I've always thought it funny when you see a guy in a movie that has just gotten out of the shower, and there's a girl or two standing their in their hot outfits and they make a coment about how unindowed he is. Like men are supposed to always have an erection.
Quote: GreasyjohnThat may be true in theory, but it would be even better if she did it for free. And if it's performed while wearing a condom (sorry to add reality to the equation) then it's like having the best steak and lobster dinner imaginable but not being allowed to swallow.
Condom?-no f****** way. You gotta set the terms before you hit the room for sure. I wouldn't pay a gal 5 cents to suck rubber...
Quote: kewljDoesn't EVERYONE get twice a day? Lol.
Most of us here are old enough that just being able to do it twice a week is a cause for joy and yes I am speaking for myself...
Quote: kewljDoesn't EVERYONE get twice a day? Lol.
Aha, but you are still young.
If you can say the same thing when you get past the two year mark, you may be on to something?
If I would have kept track I am sure it would have been cheaper to get all my sex at the brothel and eat every meal out? It just seems like a bargain in the beginning.
"Agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration reportedly had “sex parties” with prostitutes hired by drug cartels in Colombia, according to a new inspector general report released by the Justice Department on Thursday."
Even the presidents security personnel cavort with prostitutes. If it's good enough for the presidents men it should be good enough for us. Of course the DEA would shoot you for smoking a joint, but believe it is ok to enjoy hookers paid for by the cartels?
Have the North/South poles of reality swapped places or am I losing my grip on reasoning?
Quote: DrawingDeadThis thread is useless without pictures.
Those 'ladies' were retired from the bathroom wall last summer when Westgate bought the former Hilton/LVH property. Apparently the Westgate people don't have the same sense of humor.
Quote: kewljQuote: DrawingDeadThis thread is useless without pictures.
Those' ladies' were removed from the bathroom wall, last summer when Westgate bought the property. Apparently the Westgate people don't have the same sense of humor.
There's humor in it. But it is tacky and not in good taste. But the again, it is Vegas.
My friend that has been accompanying me on my last few trips to Vegas referred to Vegas as a Cathedral To Crassness.
I'm still wondering what they're going to do with the Crazy Girls sculpture that adorns the entrance to the Riviera.
Quote: kewljI am not familiar with measuring a dog's tail. Why would you need to measure a dog's tail?Quote: petroglyphYou mean measure it like you do a dogs tail? From the anus out?
LOL. For some reason when I read this post it was the funniest thing ever and I burst out laughing.
But, I suspect you'd need to measure a dog's tail for the same reason you'd measure a guy's pen0r.
If we're measuring our pen0rs from the anus out......damn, mine's gotta be 12+ inches...
I'm saddened to hear that; but then that slightly scruffy property always did seem a little too downmarket for this artwork. I hope they had the decency to find a nice new home for the ladies. They would probably fit in well at TI, PHo, or maybe even Cosmo. If it is now gathering dust in a tool shed I'd offer to relieve them of it.Quote: kewljThose 'ladies' were retired from the bathroom wall last summer when Westgate bought the former Hilton/LVH property. Apparently the Westgate people don't have the same sense of humor.
so you have a 10 inch tant?Quote: RS
If we're measuring our pen0rs from the anus out......damn, mine's gotta be 12+ inches...
Who's WE 'RE and OUR?
If you went camping with a group of guys, got drunk, and when you woke up the next morning and your ass hurt.... would you say anything?
Honesty HRH should have it.Quote: DrawingDeadI'm saddened to hear that; but then that slightly scruffy property always did seem a little too downmarket for this artwork. I hope they had the decency to find a nice new home for the ladies. They would probably fit in well at TI, PHo, or maybe even Cosmo. If it is now gathering dust in a tool shed I'd offer to relieve them of it.
: No longer open...Pinkys a local club near the Rio with live bands, usually bands like Ratt and Quite Riot. Very cool place, lots of pool tables, dance floor, Video games, darts, gaming bar, etc etc. They had penthouse pets framed above the urinals. Chicks would hear about this, get curious and take a tour of the mens bathroom.
Had a male done something like this in the women's restroom, they would probably be arrested. Just like Rock concerts sometimes there's just as many girls in the men's room as the girls.
There was also a law passed where women could use the men's restroom if the women's restroom is full and suffer no repercussions.
I find it interesting that the law doesn't appear to apply to men. It's worded to only acomodate women. The legislature is now in session and a bill is expected to reach the floor applying to men. Although, not in the way I was expecting. Evidently Transgender people have been using this law in order to use the restroom for the gender they feel is appropriate for themselves. I guess not all agree.
I don’t share this view, and all I can do is express my opinion honestly.
I have added about 20% more content to my OP, and some of it explains why I feel the way I do. I probably won’t change any minds but it’s there for you to read.
A few of you brought up how my wasting or taking up her time and carrying on a conversation implied that I owed her something. Like there’s some unwritten law that says if you ogle a working girl, enjoy the view, let your imagination go, talk with her, that she can just blurt out a figure that a guy is obligated to pay. Again I don’t share this sentiment. It’s up to her to manage her time, not me.
Hers is not a protected occupation that I have to conform to. I live in the real world and am free to talk to whomever I like. In the real world an insurance agent might take an hour or two to prepare an auto and homeowner’s quote. You don’t owe that agent a dime if you do not buy his product. In the real world a woman has the right to go on a nice dinner date with a gentleman and not feel obligated to have sex with him.
It is not me that has to bend to the unilateral request for an arbitrary sum from a prostitute because she chose to be in my company. It is not me that needs to conform to the unwritten dictates of the world of vice.
Quote: GreasyjohnA lot of you that have posted in this thread feel that I stiffed or should have paid the working girl...
Well the debate is rather centralized on the fact that you didn't stiff her =P...
Mind sharing the updates in a new post here? I really enjoyed your OP, but rereading it all for a few fun facts may not be the best draw, even though I would like hearing these new facts :). re:being lazy lol
However, with her knowing where you were parked and where you were sleeping, a $20 "insurance policy" might have made sense. Or not. Insurance is a sucker bet, right? :)
Quote: RomesWell the debate is rather centralized on the fact that you didn't stiff her =P...
Mind sharing the updates in a new post here? I really enjoyed your OP, but rereading it all for a few fun facts may not be the best draw, even though I would like hearing these new facts :). re:being lazy lol
Romes,
Most of the updates add flavor and richness to the OP. At least that was what I felt motivated to achieve. There are too many additions that would be disjointed if I were to try to recreate them here separately.
If you had had sex and you were a little disappointed, would she have given you a partial refund? Not a chance.
If she couldn't close the deal that isn't your fault. It seems to me that if anything, she needs to work on closing that deal.
If she got into trouble from management, that isn't your fault either.
Quote: GreasyjohnA lot of you that have posted in this thread feel that I stiffed or should have paid the working girl.
I don’t share this view, and all I can do is express my opinion honestly.
I have added about 20% more content to my OP, and some of it explains why I feel the way I do. I probably won’t change any minds but it’s there for you to read.
A few of you brought up how my wasting or taking up her time and carrying on a conversation implied that I owed her something. Like there’s some unwritten law that says if you ogle a working girl, enjoy the view, let your imagination go, talk with her, that she can just blurt out a figure that a guy is obligated to pay. Again I don’t share this sentiment. It’s up to her to manage her time, not me.
Hers is not a protected occupation that I have to conform to. I live in the real world and am free to talk to whomever I like. In the real world an insurance agent might take an hour or two to prepare an auto and homeowner’s quote. You don’t owe that agent a dime if you do not buy his product. In the real world a woman has the right to go on a nice dinner date with a gentleman and not feel obligated to have sex with him.
It is not me that has to bend to the unilateral request for an arbitrary sum from a prostitute because she chose to be in my company. It is not me that needs to conform to the unwritten dictates of the world of vice.
I admit, I'm one that thinks you stiffed her. That's my humble opinion. I think that it was all ok until you got her in your car under false pretenses. You can jawbone with a hooker until she gets bored and moves on, but you enclosed her in your vehicle after indication to her "lets go". So her in your car has legal ramifications. If another car were to hit you or your car catch fire or by some other means injure this person you are liable because she was in your control.
As TP mentioned above there are no refunds for less than satisfactory sex. That's not why you pay, you pay for her time, just like you do an escort. I think you took that from her. JMHO.
You can surely say and believe what you claim here and I take no umbridge, I hope you do in return. You can type here how you don't feel like you should have given her even minimal compensation and there are those here that agree with you.
But I am willing to wager, in a real universe, that if this woman had a 7 foot tall hyper violent agent, you would have gladly ponied up the twenty. So the only difference is you could get away with "stiffing" her.
I don't understand why the position that it is ok not to min. compensate this person for their time is of a higher moral standpoint than welching on a bet where no harm came other than words or trust? Did you not think you were going to pay her when you got her into your car?
Quote: petroglyphI admit, I'm one that thinks you stiffed her. That's my humble opinion. I think that it was all ok until you got her in your car under false pretenses. You can jawbone with a hooker until she gets bored and moves on, but you enclosed her in your vehicle after indication to her "lets go". So her in your car has legal ramifications. If another car were to hit you or your car catch fire or by some other means injure this person you are liable because she was in your control.
As TP mentioned above there are no refunds for less than satisfactory sex. That's not why you pay, you pay for her time, just like you do an escort. I think you took that from her. JMHO.
You can surely say and believe what you claim here and I take no umbridge, I hope you do in return. You can type here how you don't feel like you should have given her even minimal compensation and there are those here that agree with you.
But I am willing to wager, in a real universe, that if this woman had a 7 foot tall hyper violent agent, you would have gladly ponied up the twenty. So the only difference is you could get away with "stiffing" her.
I don't understand why the position that it is ok not to min. compensate this person for their time is of a higher moral standpoint than welching on a bet where no harm came other than words or trust? Did you not think you were going to pay her when you got her into your car?
Petroglyph,
It was nice of you to take the time to express your opinion. Here's what I modified in my OP about our decision to go off together:
"As we chatted the conversation turned to how we might spend some time together. She brought up just going out and having fun and having some drinks at a bar somewhere. Not a hint about sex for money or a charge for her time."
In the whole conversation that I had with her before we headed out, she made it sound like she just liked my company and wanted to go out for drinks. My mind just clung on to that theme. I honestly thought at the time that paying her was not part of anything. In fact, I didn't even think of that possibility. You can say that I should have know better--should have known by her profession that her wanting to go out implied more than just two people having fun together. And yes, by the time we were in the car I was seeing the light. But really, she's the one that should not leave it ambiguous. She could have said after I said, "Let's go" that she liked me but it was going to cost me $200. Had she just made that simple and clear statement it would have saved her an extra 1/2 hour of her time. It's her obligation to make it clear, not mine. And the time she spent with me in the car is where she made her pitch, which I declined. I don't owe her for the time it took her to try to gain my business.
You may be of the opinion that just taking up her time obligated me to pay something, but in the post I made in this thread earlier today (on page 9) I mention why I don't hold this sentiment.
Had she had a pimp and the whole encounter come down to his threatening me, Yes. It would certainly open my eyes to the violent and base world that I allowed myself to wander through.
Considering that solicitation for the purposes of prostitution is illegal in Clark County, she was not only spending and losing some of her valuable and irreplaceable "working time," but she also incurred quite a legal vulnerability.Quote: GreasyjohnSshe's the one that should not leave it ambiguous. She could have said after I said, "Let's go" that she liked me but it was going to cost me $200. Had she just made that simple and clear statement it would have saved her an extra 1/2 hour of her time. It's her obligation to make it clear, not mine. And the time she spent with me in the car is where she made her pitch, which I declined. I don't owe her for the time it took her to try to gain my business.
Quote: GreasyjohnPetroglyph, Here's what I modified in my OP about our decision to go off together:
Thanks for pointing out the edit, I had already went back and read it when you stated you had, and I couldn't find what changed easily enough so I let it go.
You were there I was not, I can only imagine my response and I am certainly not qualified to judge. You are probably correct.
Sounds like a few moments of intense excitement though, we got to watch out for the ole ticker. Ah, but what a way to go, I can imagine worse things on my tombstone.
In other news " Petro found dead with smile, it is expected he also "stiffed" her" :) It appears two hundred dollars plus gratuity is missing
Discuss.
Maybe not double, but an extra XX%.Quote: zippyboyTo those who think he owes her $20 for her time...do you also think someone owes the diner waitress a double tip just because you took an extra hour talking at the table over coffee after your meal? (thus depriving her of turning the table and getting another tip)
Quote: zippyboyTo those who think he owes her $20 for her time...do you also think someone owes the diner waitress a double tip just because you took an extra hour talking at the table over coffee after your meal? (thus depriving her of turning the table and getting another tip)
Discuss.
You absolutely owe something extra. Perhaps not double, though.
Quote: zippyboyTo those who think he owes her $20 for her time...do you also think someone owes the diner waitress a double tip just because you took an extra hour talking at the table over coffee after your meal? (thus depriving her of turning the table and getting another tip)
Discuss.
Nobody owes anybody anything without a legally enforceable contract, or taxes, OK.
It was a matter of principle. You don't have to tip dealers, or taxi drivers, or waitresses, after all it's a free country. It's just the way I am, and the way I was raised. A waitress has to be pretty awnry before I won't leave her anything. I am really grateful that I have made enough money in my life that I can afford to leave tips, and I enjoy sharing. I enjoy trying to make a difference. I am going to be buried with as much money as Howard Hughes was, nada, but if there is an afterlife, I would seriously regret stiffing a [probably minimum wage or less] waitress.
Further, the waitress is supposed to be being compensated by her employer for her time. The escort was a free agent and makes nothing except the gratuity's of her companions. Hopefully for every flea, there is a George somewhere. These are just working people and none of them are getting rich for their daily toil.
Each to their own.
Quote: MoscaI would have given her the $20, because she probably has to give it to the bartender. But I don't judge you, there isn't a right answer here. It's all good, 6 years from now no one will remember it.
I had never heard of the bartender getting a kickback before I saw it in this thread. Had I known that it might have been different.
