LV Pot and Pot Breathalizer
But, seems not so much in the news now. Or, maybe I'm too distant from Las Vegas to be aware of ongoing news stories. However, I'm interested in folks opinions about efforts -- apparently, increasingly successful efforts -- to develop breathalizer devices for marijuana, such as mentioned in this recent news story.
IIRC the Nevada Gaming Commission mandated that casinos must prohibit pot from casino properties, including performance events, hotels, gaming areas, parking garages, and on and on. News at the time seemed to indicate casinos tried to enforce the NGC edict, but with plenty of push-back from gaming patrons, hotel guests, and others.
So, has NGC decided to let casinos "look the other way" concerning pot use on their properties? Will police or casino security start aggressively using the new "toys" that allow them to test for THC in breath? Sure, there could be safety concerns. There could also be opportunities for fines to increase public revenue. It may be one thing to test a driver involved in an accident, and quite another to test some pedestrians who cannot stop laughing uncontrollably about some joke as they walk down the sidewalk.
So, what are your thoughts? And, before you begin, take a deep breath and exhale into this little tube thing, OK?
Quote: LuckyPhowWhen recreational pot was first legalized in Nevada, there were so many crazy stories in the news. Hotel security doing room checks at 3 am because of marijuana odors in the halls. Discussions about how to mask the smell of marijuana, both on one's person or in a hotel room.
But, seems not so much in the news now. Or, maybe I'm too distant from Las Vegas to be aware of ongoing news stories. However, I'm interested in folks opinions about efforts -- apparently, increasingly successful efforts -- to develop breathalizer devices for marijuana, such as mentioned in this recent news story.
IIRC the Nevada Gaming Commission mandated that casinos must prohibit pot from casino properties, including performance events, hotels, gaming areas, parking garages, and on and on. News at the time seemed to indicate casinos tried to enforce the NGC edict, but with plenty of push-back from gaming patrons, hotel guests, and others.
So, has NGC decided to let casinos "look the other way" concerning pot use on their properties? Will police or casino security start aggressively using the new "toys" that allow them to test for THC in breath? Sure, there could be safety concerns. There could also be opportunities for fines to increase public revenue. It may be one thing to test a driver involved in an accident, and quite another to test some pedestrians who cannot stop laughing uncontrollably about some joke as they walk down the sidewalk.
So, what are your thoughts? And, before you begin, take a deep breath and exhale into this little tube thing, OK?
Every one of the 6 hotels I've stayed at since pot was legalized in LV, the floor has stunk of pot. Reeked. Have not smelled it in any casinos. That's all I know about your questions.
That said, I think burning marijuana smells better than 99% of the other odors in parking garages and casinos.
There’s really no way to do breathalyzer type test for THC. In the case of accidents, blood tests are done at a hostpital to see how much THC is in a person’s system.
Mouth swabs exist, but it’s a binary yes/no this person has smoked weed type of thing, not a scale of how intoxicated a person is like a breathalyzer.
Quote: billryanIt's not illegal to be stoned in public. There is no crime that testing someone's breath will discover.
That is true as regards patrons at a casino or folks walking down the sidewalk, but there is at least one situation where testing a person's breath would be helpful, and that is as part of a suspected DUI investigation.
Just as cops use a breathalyzer to detect / establish alcohol impairment after a traffic stop, the same investigative tool is necessary to objectively prove that a driver of a motor vehicle is driving under the influence of cannabis.
The police in Henderson interpret the law differently than the Vegas cops do so it doesn't appear to be settled law yet.
Quote: gamerfreakSmart tourists should either vape concentrates or take edibles. It completely eliminates the problem.
That said, I think burning marijuana smells better than 99% of the other odors in parking garages and casinos.
There’s really no way to do breathalyzer type test for THC. In the case of accidents, blood tests are done at a hostpital to see how much THC is in a person’s system.
Mouth swabs exist, but it’s a binary yes/no this person has smoked weed type of thing, not a scale of how intoxicated a person is like a breathalyzer.
As the second most common smell in a garage seems to be urine, the smell of pot is a blessing.
I guess it’s just me.
Quote: billryanIt's illegal to smoke pot in public. It's not illegal to be stoned in public. There is no crime that testing someone's breath will discover.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Even if you blew positive, even if you had it on you...its still not illegal. It is only illegal if they catch you doing it in public.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkIt is only illegal if they catch you doing it in public.
You can toke up at home, legally, get a buzz on, then commit a crime by getting in and operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of cannabis.
The same penalties apply for driving under the influence of cannabis as for driving under the influence of alcohol or opioids.
Enter the Drug Recognition Expert (DRE), stage right.
Stoners really need to keep this in mind.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkThis is exactly what I was thinking. Even if you blew positive, even if you had it on you...its still not illegal. It is only illegal if they catch you doing it in public.
There are very strict rules about carrying it, as well. I don't know them all but they involve childproof bags and tubes and must be in original packaging or some such. I believe you are required to be able to prove the stuff was bought at a dispensary but am unclear on that.
Last week I saw undercover people leading several swimsuit wearing guys in handcuffs from the Hard Rock pool. As they weren't drunk, I guess they were smoking in public. Don't know if they were cops or security taking them out.
Quote: billryanThere are very strict rules about carrying it, as well. I don't know them all but they involve childproof bags and tubes and must be in original packaging or some such. I believe you are required to be able to prove the stuff was bought at a dispensary but am unclear on that.
I have not heard this. Are you saying I could be busted for having a vape pen in my pocket if not in original packaging???
Only thing that has changed
You can leave your stash at home and buy locally now
Quote: billryanLast week I saw undercover people leading several swimsuit wearing guys in handcuffs from the Hard Rock pool. As they weren't drunk, I guess they were smoking in public. Don't know if they were cops or security taking them out.
I haven't checked Nevada law (lazy) so I don't know the answer to these questions:
Can people legally carry and consume medibles in public, or must they too only be consumed in the privacy of one's home?
Would the pool patrons have been busted had they been eating legally purchased Alice B Tokelas brownies poolside instead of smoking in public?
What if they had smeared on a THC salve at home and were somehow discovered in public with it on their body?
If wearing a topical / salve in public is not an offense: why not, i.e. why allow that but not smoking, given both uses affect the user?
Quote: VCUSkyhawkI have not heard this. Are you saying I could be busted for having a vape pen in my pocket if not in original packaging???
I'm not sure how the law applies to pens. In truth, I'm unclear about how it's enforced.
One night, I saw two cops struggling with an intoxicated guy. A small crowd gathered and watched as they handcuffed him. He had a bag with two joints in it it and the cop said it was illegal without the original package.
I asked at my dispensary and they said the best thing to do is transport it from the store to your house in the sealed package. As I only smoke in my house, that's all I cared about.
I think the state wants you to be able to prove you bought it legally and they got their taxes. How Metro is enforcing it is another matter. You won't get arrested for carrying your vape pen, but if you get arrested for something else, it might be another charge.
Quote: billryanI'm not sure how the law applies to pens. In truth, I'm unclear about how it's enforced.
One night, I saw two cops struggling with an intoxicated guy. A small crowd gathered and watched as they handcuffed him. He had a bag with two joints in it it and the cop said it was illegal without the original package.
Isn't it legal to grow your own? Could he have told the PoPo that it came from his garden, and his pocket was the original container?
Quote: petroglyphIsn't it legal to grow your own? Could he have told the PoPo that it came from his garden, and his pocket was the original container?
I think only in smaller population counties...
Quote: billryanI'm not sure how the law applies to pens. In truth, I'm unclear about how it's enforced.
One night, I saw two cops struggling with an intoxicated guy. A small crowd gathered and watched as they handcuffed him. He had a bag with two joints in it it and the cop said it was illegal without the original package.
I looked online and I dont see anything about the packaging, just the quantity. However, I was wrong about where you can possess. Apparently it is illegal to even possess in a casino. I thought you just couldn't smoke it.
Source: https://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/marijuana-possession.html#1
Quote: onenickelmiracleLately I've been interested in magic mushrooms.
I'm not sure what things are like in Tillamook, Oregon these days, but there was a time when the resident dairy farmers had to chase away magic mushroom pickers from their dairy farms.
Tillamook is near the coast and has extensive dairy properties; with dairy farms comes cow manure, and that happens to be the perfect medium for magic muschrooms to grow in.
When conditions were correct a lot of magic mushrooms would erupt from the cow pies, attracting those who sought a free buzz.
Dairy farmers chasing off the "hippies" from their fields became almost as much of a cliche in Tillamook as "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!"
Quote: MrVYou can toke up at home, legally, get a buzz on, then commit a crime by getting in and operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of cannabis.
The same penalties apply for driving under the influence of cannabis as for driving under the influence of alcohol or opioids.
Enter the Drug Recognition Expert (DRE), stage right.
Stoners really need to keep this in mind.
Ahh yes! another expert, and these experts have all the greed, ego, mental illness
and many other afflictions to destroy peoples lives and take there liberty all
based on there expert opinion. Is this the land of the free or home of the slave?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWyzPpYslYc
Quote: gamerfreakThere’s really no way to do breathalyzer type test for THC. In the case of accidents, blood tests are done at a hostpital to see how much THC is in a person’s system.
There are at least 2 companies that are working on it, and I believe both have had some promising results.
https://houndlabs.com/
http://www.cannabixtechnologies.com/
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Both of them have articles on their website about their progress.
Quote: HullabalooThere are at least 2 companies that are working on it, and I believe both have had some promising results.
https://houndlabs.com/
http://www.cannabixtechnologies.com/
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Both of them have articles on their website about their progress.
Color me skeptical. I would need to see some sort of clinical study showing that the test is accurate to believe they do what they claim.
There have been a ton of biomedical device type companies that create a pretty looking box with huge promises and marketing talk, and then end up falling flat.
I bet, have heard of those stories. I'd be tempted, but would be too afraid of picking a poisonous cousin look-alike. Guess I saw a youtube video, it made me interested, never really thought of it.Quote: MrVI'm not sure what things are like in Tillamook, Oregon these days, but there was a time when the resident dairy farmers had to chase away magic mushroom pickers from their dairy farms.
Tillamook is near the coast and has extensive dairy properties; with dairy farms comes cow manure, and that happens to be the perfect medium for magic muschrooms to grow in.
When conditions were correct a lot of magic mushrooms would erupt from the cow pies, attracting those who sought a free buzz.
Dairy farmers chasing off the "hippies" from their fields became almost as much of a cliche in Tillamook as "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!"
This was the one (It's a nice channel):
They can ban pot in the rooms and just charge a cleaning fee same as cigarettes.
I have been to casinos in years past when you walk past a group of people and just plain smell it on them. This was just one or two times, but I cannot imagine the whole place reeking of that stink.
If the place smells like pot, my business will go elsewhere. But I would expect them to bend to the pot user same as they do smokers, even with the later group being outnumbered 4-1.
The smart thing would be to have lounges where people can get as baked as they want, not having the rest of us smell the stench.
Casinos rarely do the smart thing.
Quote: AZDuffman
The smart thing would be to have lounges where people can get as baked as they want, not having the rest of us smell the stench.
Casinos rarely do the smart thing.
Its not the casinos fault. Its not allowed in casinos by law. I imagine if they revise the law to allow smoking in private lounges, which they are talking of doing, then some casinos may allow it. Bear in mind they are still fearful as it is banned by federal law. The head keebler elf may come after them.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThis was the one (It's a nice channel):
Ted Talk on shrooms https://youtu.be/81-v8ePXPd4
Start about 2;30
First, if you're staying in a hotel room and want to smoke out, do so in the stairwell. This advice is mainly for Vegas, but I think could apply to anywhere in the US. I don't want to admit too much, but I will say that if a hotel employee catches you, I doubt anything will happen. They would rather you do it there than stink up a hotel room. Finally, if you're partaking with a friend, have one person go in first by himself and then try to get out. Sometimes you can enter the stairwell but can't leave it on the same floor. If this is the case, prop open the door with something.
Second, somebody commented on smoking in Vegas hotel rooms. Once I was in line at a hotel front desk and the guy in front of me was having a big argument about a cleaning fee being added to his bill for the smell of marijuana. He denied it and then the receptionist produced pictures of pipes and marijuana in the room, taken by the maid. The guy was clearly caught in a lie, but he doubled down saying that while he had all that paraphernalia out, he didn't actually smoke anything. When it was finally my turn, I approached the counter laughing and the same receptionist just rolled her eyes, as if she has had been through that routine many times.
Third, a friend of mine got a DUI for marijuana in Vegas. She got pulled over for speeding but the cop smelled marijuana and arrested her for that. I think the cop intimated her into submitted to a blood test. To make a long story short, she spent about 16 hours in jail, had her car impounded, and lost her license for a while. A DUI attorney, who charged $2,000, plea bargained it down to about a $1,000 fine. My point being is the DUI arrests for marijuana do happen. Perhaps the legality could be challenged in court, but it's cheaper to hire a DUI attorney to plea it down and get on with your life.
I don't smoke copious amounts (don't need to with the great weed available these days) and when I exhale I aim up into the exhaust fan.
Never had any problems, the room seems to remain smoke free.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI bet, have heard of those stories. I'd be tempted, but would be too afraid of picking a poisonous cousin look-alike. Guess I saw a youtube video, it made me interested, never really thought of it.
You could just grown your own shrooms to avoid picking a poisonous cousin.
I don't think so. They're a very illegal drug, would never do such a thing when they could theoretically be purchased so cheaply. I say theoretically, because I don't know anyone with drug connections, let alone anyone having spores. I most likely am just curious about the whole thing, nothing will come of it. I do have a lot of wonder lately in mushrooms altogether, they're very interesting, an ancient lifeform. Paul Stamets has done a lot of interesting things with them, mushrooms are very precious. It's so interesting how they and other plants communicate, and how intelligent they really are.Quote: elmagicoYou could just grown your own shrooms to avoid picking a poisonous cousin.
Quote: Wizard
Third, a friend of mine got a DUI for marijuana in Vegas. She got pulled over for speeding but the cop smelled marijuana and arrested her for that. I think the cop intimated her into submitted to a blood test. To make a long story short, she spent about 16 hours in jail, had her car impounded, and lost her license for a while. A DUI attorney, who charged $2,000, plea bargained it down to about a $1,000 fine. My point being is the DUI arrests for marijuana do happen. Perhaps the legality could be challenged in court, but it's cheaper to hire a DUI attorney to plea it down and get on with your life.
IMHO it will eventually fall into "DW/AI" or "driving while ability impaired" unless they can get some kind of standard. We can measure BAC, but pot is going to be way more tricky to make a legal term from what I have read. So they will make it same as if you take too much cough syrup and get behind the wheel.
And that would be a reason to hire the attorney. It will be the second most expensive joint anyone had in history.*
*The first was that RB in the NFL who lost a multi-million dollar contract because he preferred to smoke weed to working.
Given the movement to legalize it across the country I suspect it will happen someday.
Quote: MrVWhen I smoke dope in my casino room I do it in the bathroom only, with the exhaust fan on and a towel on the floor sealing the door gap.
I don't smoke copious amounts (don't need to with the great weed available these days) and when I exhale I aim up into the exhaust fan.
Never had any problems, the room seems to remain smoke free.
You should seriously look into vaping concentrates.
IMO it’s by far the best method of consuming THC.
Little to zero smell, and it’s very easy to conceal. No one would know the difference between a MJ concentrate vape pen and a regular nicotine vape.
Quote: AZDuffmanIMHO it will eventually fall into "DW/AI" or "driving while ability impaired" unless they can get some kind of standard. We can measure BAC, but pot is going to be way more tricky to make a legal term from what I have read.
A big issue with testing for marijuana is that it stays in your system for weeks or months. The best test for being driving impaired may be the basics -- like standing on one foot and touching your nose while looking straight ahead.
Like you can trust a cop around a donut. : )Quote: MrVOr the "munchies test:" the cop pulls you over and if you're glassy-eyed he holds up a Krispy Kreme donut in front of you to see if you salivate, lick your lips, and / or reach automatically for the tasty treat. :)
Not if you keep doing it.Quote: Brazen1Whereas you can snort coke or shoot heroin and piss clean in a matter of days.
Quote: petroglyphNot if you keep doing it.
True, the serious druggies fail because they can't go without for 3 days. But it is ridiculous that someone who last used a bad drug 5 days ago tests clean whereas someone who smoked a joint last week or two fails.
I know right? I cussed that very fact for a long time. Why couldn't it have been the other way around?Quote: KevinAATrue, the serious druggies fail because they can't go without for 3 days. But it is ridiculous that someone who last used a bad drug 5 days ago tests clean whereas someone who smoked a joint last week or two fails.
It's a shame that the authority's that knew the truth about weed all along, couldn't have been honest. The pot smokers could have been used as an asset for all these years to root out bad dope, instead they have been treated as an enemy of the state.
The PoPo still doesn't want to let go of weed as a tool, for search and seizures. The war on drugs has been a charade all along. Drugs are mostly non violent revenue crime.
