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AxelWolf
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October 22nd, 2015 at 10:10:00 AM permalink
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If you ask people what they think of work you have done, be prepared to hear all the answers.

Unfortunately I really don't think they want our opinions unless it's a praising one.
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EvenBob
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October 22nd, 2015 at 12:07:19 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I get it. I really do. I can get your information in seconds from the previous posts on this very forum. How is someone else to be blamed for that?



Easily. It was structured as a personal attack,
that was obvious. Then as more proof it was
an attack, it was followed up by a call to
Zcore's place of employment to 'turn him
in' for bothering Ahigh on a public forum.

I don't know if Bab's knew about the call,
but just posting someone's personal info
the way he did, it was obviously a personal
attack all on it's own. Did you think Ahigh
was doing Zcore a favor by posting it?
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
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October 22nd, 2015 at 1:13:30 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Easily. It was structured as a personal attack,
that was obvious. Then as more proof it was
an attack, it was followed up by a call to
Zcore's place of employment to 'turn him
in' for bothering Ahigh on a public forum.

I don't know if Bab's knew about the call,
but just posting someone's personal info
the way he did, it was obviously a personal
attack all on it's own. Did you think Ahigh
was doing Zcore a favor by posting it?



That's an interesting spin on Forum Rule 4. Are you saying that someone's personal information posted other than "the way he did it" would be acceptable? Is it okay as long as it's not structured as a personal attack? I don't see any distinction in the rule. Was it expressly stated that the information was to remain private, information that has been posted several times here without any suspension? If I saw you at Walmart stocking up on green beans and mentioned it here would I be in violation of the rule if you didn't tell me not to say anything?

No, I don't think it was a favor that information readily available on this forum, information that was never questioned until now, was re posted. Would I have done it? Not in a million years nor would I call someone's place of work. I find that particularly disturbing and look forward to the inevitable rebuttal.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
rxwine
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October 22nd, 2015 at 6:00:29 PM permalink


If only...
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Mission146
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October 24th, 2015 at 9:32:01 PM permalink
Kentry is Suspended one week for violating the Keep it PG Rule:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/23890-slots-that-saved-your-ass/10/#post491291
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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October 25th, 2015 at 11:44:20 AM permalink
I was going to wait until Kentry was entered on the suspension list before commenting because I thought that he surely must have done something far more serious to warrant a 7 day suspension than the relatively mild offense in the link provided, his first and only offense.

Let's take a trip down memory lane just for a couple of weeks.

Exoter175, our resident genius/AP, made several personal insults to some of the forum's most respected members and used the F word multiple times. The insults were never addressed. Penalty for multiple use of the F word - 3 day suspension.

Dean uses the words "jerk and "stupid". His penalty - a welcome to the forum and a polite warning.

Along comes Kentry who is maligned, insulted, disparaged and baited relentlessly within three minutes of his very first post. Administrators are urged to "drop the hammer". Beachbumbabs stood her ground refusing to give in to those demands citing the fact that Kentry did nothing wrong and broke no rules.

A few hours later we see Kentry's name in red for violating the keep it PG rule. It was one and only one offense, not the multiple offenses that we have seen in others. It appears that it may have been the F word but it was so well masked that I'm not sure. Whatever it was, he directed it at himself and no one else and it was about as harmless as could be. Through the harassment that he endured, harassment that he was allowed to endure, he never lashed out, took the bait or insulted or swore at anyone. He conducted himself properly at all times. For this mild, harmless first offense he is suspended for 7 days. If there's any evidence that Kentry is misrepresenting himself, let's see it now. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but as of now he is suspended for 7 days. Nice Martingale.

Let's recap.

Exoter - Multiple use of F word and personal insults - first group of offenses - 3 day suspension.

Dean - Use of "jerk" and "stupid" - first offense - polite warning.

I do not disagree with either of these actions.

Kentry - Possible use of the F word with the best masking I've ever seen and it was not directed at another member. First offense - 7 day suspension.

Since no evidence has been produced that Kentry is anything other than he has portrayed himself as, there is one more thing I want to say. Welcome to the forum, Kentry. Sorry you were treated that way.

The words "hall of shame" have never rung truer for me than they do right now. I'm sure we'll all sleep better tonight.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
MidwestAP
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October 25th, 2015 at 11:59:22 AM permalink
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Kentry - Possible use of the F word with the best masking I've ever seen and it was not directed at another member. First offense - 7 day suspension.

Since no evidence has been produced that Kentry is anything other than he has portrayed himself as, there is one more thing I want to say. Welcome to the forum, Kentry. Sorry you were treated that way.

The words "hall of shame" have never rung truer for me than they do right now. I'm sure we'll all sleep better tonight.



I'll sleep fine tonight. I continue to be bewildered about your obsession with the rules and who is or isn't suspended? This isn't life or death, it isn't a criminal sentence, it doesn't affect anyone's employment (when kept on the board), so who cares? It's an internet discussion board, and the mods have been charged with a set or rules/boundaries that they may interpret slightly differently (although I think for the most part, they don't stray too far from each other). And yes, some members will get more latitude, as they probably should. I think you missed the lesson that "life isn't fair".

By the way, if removing one letter from the F word is the "best masking" you've ever seen, then you haven't seen too many texts from teens, they use much more imagination.
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October 25th, 2015 at 12:29:37 PM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I'll sleep fine tonight. I continue to be bewildered about your obsession with the rules and who is or isn't suspended? This isn't life or death, it isn't a criminal sentence, it doesn't affect anyone's employment (when kept on the board), so who cares? It's an internet discussion board, and the mods have been charged with a set or rules/boundaries that they may interpret slightly differently (although I think for the most part, they don't stray too far from each other). And yes, some members will get more latitude, as they probably should. I think you missed the lesson that "life isn't fair".

By the way, if removing one letter from the F word is the "best masking" you've ever seen, then you haven't seen too many texts from teens, they use much more imagination.



You give me much to ponder, MidwestAP. I continue to be bewildered by your bewilderment. As you said, it's a discussion board. Since you said it, I know that you didn't miss that fact. It's also a discussion thread and I'm discussing. I'm sorry if that bewilders you. Would you like to talk about something else? Let's ask the owners of this site how they like new members being mistreated and driven away because some didn't like their posts. Do you like every post, MidwestAP? The Kentrys of the world could be the ones that click on the advertisers here and patronize them. That's the purpose of this site. It's a business, not our personal playground.

You don't know me. How dare you surmise that I don't know that life isn't fair. I see it every day, unlike many who choose to ignore it and do nothing about it.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
Mission146
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October 25th, 2015 at 12:32:38 PM permalink
I have given Kentry, as have other Admins, the benefit of the doubt with respect to nearly half of his posts as relates the possibility of Trolling. I suspect that many of his posts are less than sincere, but given my lack of objective proof, I have not taken any action in that regard.

As far as him being allegedly insulted, he has posted and others have given their opinions with respect to those posts. Were it to be suggested, for example, that I am Trolling in one post or another, I would not interpret that as an insult because it would pertain to something I wrote.

Finally, if I were to take Kentry at face value...then I would mirror the suggestion of others that he should talk to someone about the possibility that he has a gambling addiction. A professional. If it turns out that he does, indeed, have a gambling problem, then I would suggest that he should not post or follow a gambling Forum and should remove himself from anything gambling-related to the fullest possible extent. Actually, I think he'd do well to do that unless he can determine that he does NOT have a problem.

That's not to say that I would Nuke him for having a problem, if he wished to be Nuked for that reason, then he would have to ask.

To put it simply, if he is serious, then I am deeply concerned for his welfare. I believe he should take these seven days to contemplate whether or not spending more time reading about gambling is a healthy thing for him to do. In other words, I don't want to Suspend him for an absurd duration on a first offense...but by eliminating his participation a little longer than usual, I think it may help him.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
EvenBob
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October 25th, 2015 at 12:46:22 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I was going to wait until Kentry was entered on the suspension list before commenting



This is as far as I read in your encyclopedia-like
post. All I want to know is, in your position of
unchosen, unofficial, unqualified critic of every
decision a mod makes, will you be levying
fines and sending out reprimands? Have you
found even one person here who cares about
what you have to say about somebody getting
banned. Big yawn...
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal

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