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Zcore13
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October 22nd, 2015 at 6:32:15 AM permalink
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Ahigh did not mine the internet looking for anyone's information. He got the information from this forum.



Well, he does "mine the internet" for info on me. He mined the number of the HR Director of my employer and called him yesterday to complain that I am mean to him on this forum. Of course, nothing came of that, but it just shows you what he's all about.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 6:39:30 AM permalink
How does that call even go? "Hi! I have a complaint about the non-illegal activities that one of your employees pursues in his personal time. He's mean to me! He says accurate but unkind things about me and my company and I don't like it so make it stop by taking away his company-provided coffee and putting him in withdrawal-headache time-out!"
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October 22nd, 2015 at 6:51:37 AM permalink
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Again, I posted a fair way to handle the issue. If the suspension is ruled as unfounded, that is fine. AHigh comes back and he missed a day or two of posting.

How is it taking "sides" when one "side" steps over a known boundary? The issue is not with the rule, it is more with what happens once the member has already shared their own info. I don't expect any admin to know that in advance about every single member nor is it reasonable to expect an investigation from volunteers on every issue.

Have you notified the admins via PM that you feel this is an unjustified suspension and linked the posts that make you think that? If the answer is no, why complain about it here?



A member requested that I comment on the latest suspension and I obliged. I stated only the facts while offering no opinion or criticism. I didn't even say what I would have done.

Taking sides was in reference to the long, ongoing feud between these two men, not the current suspension. Yes, people have taken sides many posts ago. I have not. Can you say the same, RonC? Should the person who posted the information I've referred to be be suspended? Yes or no? The rule was broken was it not?

RonC, please point out any facts that you think I may have misrepresented and please show me where I have complained. Just because I post and some don't like what I say doesn't automatically mean I'm complaining. That has long been a tactic here and it doesn't wash.

I have not nor will I ever PM an administrator. If I have something to say I'll say it to the entire forum. Brownie points are overrated. I'm not criticizing those who do. To each his own.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 7:17:25 AM permalink
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Well, he does "mine the internet" for info on me. He mined the number of the HR Director of my employer and called him yesterday to complain that I am mean to him on this forum. Of course, nothing came of that, but it just shows you what he's all about.


ZCore13



I get it. I really do. I can get your information in seconds from the previous posts on this very forum. How is someone else to be blamed for that?

Calling someone's employer is beyond bazaar and speaks volumes about a person who would do such a thing. Please tell me it was a misunderstanding because that's a tough one to swallow. What sets this apart from the usual internet nonsense is that both of you have identified yourselves as real people rather than "ghosts". That's unusual and refreshing.

You're okay, Zcore. If I'm ever in your area I may stop in and say hello. I won't tell you my real name but if you really wanted it, I may be in one of your "books" along with a much younger photo. Just don't post the photo here. You do not have my permission. :-)
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October 22nd, 2015 at 7:22:01 AM permalink
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I get it. I really do. I can get your information in seconds from the previous posts on this very forum. How is someone else to be blamed for that?

Calling someone's employer is beyond bazaar and speaks volumes about a person who would do such a thing. Please tell me it was a misunderstanding because that's a tough one to swallow. What sets this apart from the usual internet nonsense is that both of you have identified yourselves as real people rather than "ghosts". That's unusual and refreshing.

You're okay, Zcore. If I'm ever in your area I may stop in and say hello. I won't tell you my real name but if you really wanted it, I may be in one of your "books" along with a much younger photo. Just don't post the photo here. You do not have my permission. :-)



I'd be happy to buy you a drink. I've had other just say they know me from WoV. I don't need or care about personal information if it's not offered up.

Not sure how calling someone's work regarding stuff that happens when you voluntarily post on a public forum could be a misunderstanding, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion on stuff.


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October 22nd, 2015 at 7:30:32 AM permalink
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A member requested that I comment on the latest suspension and I obliged. I stated only the facts while offering no opinion or criticism. I didn't even say what I would have done.



...and I commented on your post. So what?

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Taking sides was in reference to the long, ongoing feud between these two men, not the current suspension. Yes, people have taken sides many posts ago. I have not. Can you say the same, RonC? Should the person who posted the information I've referred to be be suspended? Yes or no? The rule was broken was it not?



...I understand the potential issue of taking sides but the admin just did what admins do...saw an offense and made a suspension. I've already provided my opinion, including my opinion of what you--as the one that sees an injustice in it--should do and what the admins should do with the info you provided. No need to rehash my position, it has not changed.

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RonC, please point out any facts that you think I may have misrepresented and please show me where I have complained. Just because I post and some don't like what I say doesn't automatically mean I'm complaining. That has long been a tactic here and it doesn't wash.



I didn't say a word about you misrepresenting a fact. Yes, having something to say about every suspension does eventually give the impression to more than one of us that you are complaining. More so when you are willing to do nothing to fix the issue if it isn't in public. People who are just trying to fix things take the steps necessary, public or private, to do so. If you see an injustice, try to fix it. Since you won't post the links publicly and you have found them, simply send them to all the admins and ask them to consider reducing/rescinding the suspension and/or revising the rule to reflect information already posted publicly.

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I have not nor will I ever PM an administrator. If I have something to say I'll say it to the entire forum. Brownie points are overrated. I'm not criticizing those who do. To each his own.



Pointing out facts that someone may not know is not attempting to get "brownie points"...in my opinion, that is not the way to look at it. Setting something right is not done to get "brownie points", it is done to set something right.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 7:35:38 AM permalink
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Well, he does "mine the internet" for info on me. He mined the number of the HR Director of my employer and called him yesterday to complain that I am mean to him on this forum. Of course, nothing came of that, but it just shows you what he's all about.


ZCore13



If this is true (and I am not doubting it, but one party can offer no rebuttal at this point), it is time for someone to think about why they are here and possibly leave. Having an internet feud with someone is one issue; bringing it to the work place of the other person is another. If your HR person was a forum member it would be different.

If you ask people what they think of work you have done, be prepared to hear all the answers.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 8:42:06 AM permalink
There are options for those who complain about my or anyone's participation in this thread. Ironically, the ones complaining about the ones complaining are the ones who complain the most.

The title of this thread is Discussion about the Suspension List. It has 666,501 views and 6,891 posts. It is by far the number one thread here. As long as it exists I will post. I will not be bullied into curtailing my participation because my opinions don't always align with the opinion of others. That's what accusations of complaining could be construed by some to be. Bullying. Imagine what the forum would be like if all 6,435 active members agreed on everything. How long would it last?

Here are some options for the real complainers. Don't read the thread. Block the thread. Block the person who dares to have an opinion different than yours. Finally, use that PM that some are so fond of and petition for the closure of this thread. Good luck with that. Maybe do something constructive like whine about every minuscule change in the forum because you're still mad that it got sold.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 9:16:34 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

If this is true (and I am not doubting it, but one party can offer no rebuttal at this point), it is time for someone to think about why they are here and possibly leave. Having an internet feud with someone is one issue; bringing it to the work place of the other person is another. If your HR person was a forum member it would be different.

If you ask people what they think of work you have done, be prepared to hear all the answers.



As always, thanks for saving me a bunch of typing.
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October 22nd, 2015 at 9:57:06 AM permalink
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I think that AHigh's suspension was correct and reasonable based on the rules of the forum. He put someone's private info out there for everyone to see and did not appear to have permission. That is what the admin saw and that is what was acted on. Asking any admin to wait for a second opinion to avoid the appearance of bias seems to say that someone already believes there is bias. I don't think bias is a part of this decision and we've pretty much already learned and understand that different admins administer the rules according to their understanding of them and then calls get changed if a second admin disagrees.

This case should be looked at again based on the info that was already out there but it is unreasonable to expect an admin to do an investigation of possible previous revelations before acting on what happened in that thread. Perhaps the rule needs to be modified but I would still suspend first if the admin had no immediate recollection of the information being placed in public by the member and then investigate if someone pointed out that it had been. Privacy is more important that a day or two off for what turns out to be an unjust reason. It is just a forum you can't contribute to for a while, not a life event.

To help in that look at the offense, I would assume you have already sent all of the admins a note via PM stating your concerns about the issue and the links to the items you mentioned.

No, they don't see eye to eye. I have had spats with AHigh, but I value his membership here. That is not why he was suspended. He was suspended for violating a rule. It isn't up to the admins to solve their issues, just to moderate the forum. They'll have to lock themselves in the room together on their own!!

+1. Well said.
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