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June 18th, 2015 at 5:18:43 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I can join in if it will make you feel better, but I'm kind of busy getting back to work after vacation dealing with a few employees who, like you seem to want to tell me how to run my business. Unlike how the Wizard told those who don't like how things are done here to leave, I kind of need them so I listen, smile, nod and make them feel better. Luckily here I can say how I feel as long as I stay within the rules. Which isn't always easy.



As always I look forward to your input with bated breath. Can we get your take on the term tin foil hat? Why do you think it is now an insult on the forum? Do you personally think it's an insult? If you and a friend were having a face to face and that friend asked if you had a tin foil hat would you be insulted?
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June 18th, 2015 at 6:55:52 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

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10. "Why are you getting so upset?"

The passive aggressive person is a master at maintaining calm and feigning shock when others, worn down by his or her indirect hostility, blow up in anger. In fact, the person takes pleasure out of setting others up to lose their cool and then questioning their "overreactions."


Just doing research man. Or maybe that's passive aggressive?


That's called trolling, not passive aggressive.
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June 18th, 2015 at 7:11:21 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

As always I look forward to your input with bated breath. Can we get your take on the term tin foil hat? Why do you think it is now an insult on the forum? Do you personally think it's an insult? If you and a friend were having a face to face and that friend asked if you had a tin foil hat would you be insulted?



Whilst the correct usage is in fact 'bated breath', if one were to be trolling for a reaction, wouldn't 'baited breath' be more apropos ? ;-)
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June 18th, 2015 at 8:42:01 PM permalink
Removing bob from the leaderboard effectively put axel wolf in the top five now
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June 18th, 2015 at 9:56:48 PM permalink
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I moseyed over to Norm's site to see what I could find. If you're not a paid member access is limited but I did find Masterhoudini and was able to read all his posts. He knows his blackjack and was recognized by other members there. The member you see vouching for him here is also a member of WOV and is highly respected on other sites.

I read all of Masterhoudini's posts here and they reenforce the fact that he knows his blackjack. He knows about flyers, the B and other AC casinos in regard to blackjack. He even calls casinos stores. There is nothing remotely wrong with his posts so I can only assume that something came up with his IP address and how accurate is that information?

What we're seeing here is names going red with no explanation and no entry into the suspension list. Where's the transparency now? Of course people are going to have questions. Are we trying to create our own little Gitmo here? I can see it for the fake license guys and certain other ne'er-do-wells but not for someone who has been making decent posts.


Quote: 1BB

Typing tinfoil hat into the WOV search bar at the top of this page showed 55 results over 7 pages going back to 2010. That's this site only, not the entire internet. It was fine for hundreds of references over 5 years and suddenly it's an insult? I doubt that everyone feels this way.

In my opinion, jumping the gun and banning Masterhoudini is something that should not have happened. It reminds me of the Salem witch trials. The guy never had a chance while the real troublemakers have been allowed to make dozens of posts. Err in favor not against.

If a ban here no longer results in a ban at DT, shouldn't that notice be removed from the top of the suspension list? I agree with that one. Why should there be a carryover? If I didn't know better I might think that policy was relaxed to accommodate a certain member of "value" who can no longer post here.

Bolding Mine (in the 2 quoted 1BB posts)

You have now compared this site (or the management/running of this site) to Gitmo (aka = Guantanamo Bay, Cuba military prison) and the Salem witch trials (the executions of "inncocent" people for ideas/beliefs).

While I completely disagree with the bolded part of this Wizard post:
Quote: Wizard

BBB said the suspension was for seven days in this post and indicated the suspension ending date seven days from then. However, she did put "3" in the "number of days" column, which I think was a clerical error. I assumed this to be the case, and already changed the 3 to a 7 myself.

To address the SAP suspension, again, basically, rule 13 was invoked. The two things I stand for the most when it comes to gambling are honoring a losing bet and abiding by the rules of a game. SAP went on for post after post that he had no intention of paying AYE and failed to defend himself in any way, other than to allude to some phone call that Aye denied ever happened. Efforts at mediation or arbitration were ignored or refused.

In an effort to protect other forum members, he was nuked. A newcomer could have come to the site, made another bet with AP, won, have SAP refuse to pay, and get upset with forum management for letting a known welcher (Much to the chagrin of my spell checker, I spell it with a C) remain on the forum. BTW, this is not the first time this we've nuked somebody for reasons of the protection of the forum community.

The door remains open for SAP to either pay Aye or submit to arbitration.

Finally, if anybody is so bothered about this, or any other suspension, to write endless posts complaining about it, may I make a radical suggestion -- just leave. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I am starting to understand why he posted it...
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June 18th, 2015 at 10:11:27 PM permalink
*I believe* Wizard was saying to stop b*****in about every suspension given, stop b****ing about management, etc. Or else get out. If you want a Utopia, create your own.

If you want to b**** about a specific suspension or two, go ahead, THAT is why the discussion of suspension list thread is for. It is NOT for people to turn into internet-lawyers and argue/b**** over every suspension.
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June 18th, 2015 at 10:41:04 PM permalink
I feel like I'm in the "circle wagon's crowd" which is fine with me.

Backseat micromanagement is not a defense of the site well being. It's disruption. It's using the rules to beat the site with a troll stick.

While I'm sorry if a some people got bad treatment or kicked off temporarily, hundreds if not thousands manage to sign up and carry on. Imagine that?

Don't care how long anyone's been here either. You could be a troll mole for all I know. (someone who embeds for a long time, acts normal, but later helps facilitate disrupting activities or assists your various sock puppets)

Don't care what you claim about yourself, it's what you do.

However the above is just my opinion and not that of the management, nor am I speaking for anyone but myself.

Have a nice day.

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June 19th, 2015 at 12:39:16 AM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

Whilst the correct usage is in fact 'bated breath', if one were to be trolling for a reaction, wouldn't 'baited breath' be more apropos ? ;-)



You must be psychic. :-) I should have gone with baited. You've got to admire their tenacity if nothing else. All for having an opinion. Very sad.

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June 19th, 2015 at 9:14:51 PM permalink
Quote: RonC


I don't think tinfoil hat is much of an insult.



I didn't think it was an insult at all, I've used
it here in the past. Somebody searched and
it has been used 55 times with no problem.

Now, 'poof', it's an insult? If you're going to
change the rules, wouldn't it be fair to inform
us first?
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June 19th, 2015 at 9:46:45 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If you're going to
change the rules, wouldn't it be fair to inform
us first?



I don't recall the term, "Tinfoil Hat," to have ever been specifically and pointedly addressed on the Official Rules Page.

However, I will concur that it has been used in the past without repercussion. I can offer a few explanations:

1.) Those, "55 Times," it has been used is pure cherry-picking. On many of those occasions, the term was directed to someone other than a Member of this Forum, a Member of this Forum directing it at him/herself, or not actually directed at a person at all, but rather a thought.

2.) Different Administrators are going to have different subjective standards about what should, or indeed does, constitute a Personal Insult. The obvious, but extremely inefficient solution to this would be to simply list every possible term that would constitute a Personal Insult. Unfortunately, people could then use terms (or invent them) not on said list with the explanation, "But, they weren't on the list!" A counter to this might be the ability for Administrators to also act upon terms perceived to be insulting that are not on the list, but then you're back to that problem of subjectivity.

3.) Finally, in all cases prior to 2/23/2014, such insult may have been permitted pursuant to the, "Statler and Waldorf," standard. Interestingly, when I do a Date Range Google Search, the term has come up FOUR times in this Date Range, twice in this thread, once in the Ebola thread and once with a Member referring to himself.

In any case, the current Rules state, "Absolutely No Personal Insults." The current Rules state that one should, "Attack the writing, not the writer."

That is not to say that every single innocuous nit-picky thing that could even remotely be perceived as an attack on the writer will get someone nailed, but it does mean that it theoretically could.

Is there any question that:

Quote:

He's too busy with his tinfoil hat on, camped across the street from the Scientology building in FL.



(Quote Amended to Remove Unnecessary Line Breaks Unique to EvenBob's Style...which I like)

Could possibly be construed, by at least one reasonable person, as a Personal Insult?

I would hope not. I would hope that everyone would recognize that said statement could be taken as an insult, and in fact, the subject of the statement also stated that he did, in fact, take it as an insult.

An Administrator agreed, a Suspension was made.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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