Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: AxelWolfI like your thinking.
Unfortunately they wouldn't want to stop new members from joining.
They should put back the limited number of pots one can make. If a legit person really has that much to say or add, then I'm sure someone can privately verify if they are legit.
I really think the forum should have different levels of verified status perhaps various icons in their profile.
Example. X member has paid all pending bets. X member has been to a WOV meet up. X member is a former WSOP champion. X member is a verified casino employee.
X member drives a Gay Miata (-:
Someone like AOS is a verified Attorney, verified mid lever BJ player(30 losses in a row not verified), and makes good on bets(not sure if he has made any bets however I would risk it)
I don't like your thinking Axel, at least not regarding this post.
Limiting # of posts of new members is fine, or really all that's necessary is to start enforcing those limits that are already in place.
The part I am not crazy about is the verified status. Legitimate AP's participate on such sites, because they are afforded some anonymity. I, personally put a premium on my privacy. I have personally met very few other AP's (a very small handful) and never attended any kind of party type gathering, even Green Chip parties on Stanford's site which is supposed to come with added security measures. One of my biggest regrets was not attending such a party within the last few years that was obviously going to be the final appearance of a member that I really looked up to and admired, as he was in declining health. That's how serious I take it (feel free to substitute paranoia in there somewhere).
It is true that in our AP community, a relatively small community, you don't have to personally meet or know someone to be in a position to vouch for them. You may know someone that knows them or has played with them. I could probably pass any 'verify test' on those grounds on other sites, maybe even this site, although the couple big name players that I do know directly or indirectly participate very sparingly here, so maybe their credibility would be questioned.
But really that whole verify, vouch thing isn't even necessary. It doesn't take much to figure out who is legit and who is just talking. If you can't figure that out, in pretty short order, you probably are going to struggle with the whole AP thing. :/
Quote: AxelWolfThey should put back the limited number of pots one can make.
Okay.
Over limit!
I usually have no problems knowing who is legit or not, however it obvious others do. My suggestion would be an option and not affect anyone who didn't want to participate. So if you choose not to for any reason, then that's fine. It wouldn't affect you either way. It happens already like it or not. People read your posts and assess you already. My suggestion would only fast track what people do already, and it would make it easier for new comers to figure out who is who, without having to read everything that had been previously posted, and look at all their history.Quote: kewljI don't like your thinking Axel, at least not regarding this post.
Limiting # of posts of new members is fine, or really all that's necessary is to start enforcing those limits that are already in place.
The part I am not crazy about is the verified status. Legitimate AP's participate on such sites, because they are afforded some anonymity. I, personally put a premium on my privacy. I have personally met very few other AP's (a very small handful) and never attended any kind of party type gathering, even Green Chip parties on Stanford's site which is supposed to come with added security measures. One of my biggest regrets was not attending such a party within the last few years that was obviously going to be the final appearance of a member that I really looked up to and admired, as he was in declining health. That's how serious I take it (feel free to substitute paranoia in there somewhere).
It is true that in our AP community, a relatively small community, you don't have to personally meet or know someone to be in a position to vouch for them. You may know someone that knows them or has played with them. I could probably pass any 'verify test' on those grounds on other sites, maybe even this site, although the couple big name players that I do know directly or indirectly participate very sparingly here, so maybe their credibility would be questioned.
But really that whole verify, vouch thing isn't even necessary. It doesn't take much to figure out who is legit and who is just talking. If you can't figure that out, in pretty short order, you probably are going to struggle with the whole AP thing. :/
Quote: AxelWolfThey should put back the limited number of pots one can make.
I like it. 7 day probation period on registration?
While on probation:
- Can't create a new thread
- Limited number of posts/day (I suggest 3 + (number of replies to your posts in the last day)/5 )
- Limited post editing capability
If there is such a feature created, it might be a useful reprimand for low-level infractions as well.
But when B79 created a new name and started posing as a host, he wasn't causing any trouble. People were asking for advice and many believed he was a host. I'm sorry but I think allowing people to freely do that is a serious matter.Quote: AussieIt's not about figuring out who is legitamate and who isn't (it's easy to work out who the trouble makers are), it's about stopping the disruption that losers like B79 bring to the forum. Sure you can all run around accusing people of multiple ID's and you'll be right a high percentage of the time but wouldn't it be better to cure the disease rather than have the admin constantly treating the symptoms? No need for old members to verify anything. Just charge a token amount to a credit card and then reverse the transaction he next day for all new member accounts. Good luck getting 50 different credit cards to give yourself 50 backup accounts when your ass gets thrown to the curb.
Someday someone here is going to get seriously burned.
This guy has serious issues. I will go out on a limb and say we have a few copycats now.
FYI I would be seriously concerned about anyone suggesting any meet ups especially with female members.
If he wants to pose as a McDonald's employee or something, I say go for it.
Quote: 1BBWelcome back, Boz! I see that you took a little break.
Thanks for the welcome. I didn't leave, just stayed away from posting. Still enjoyed your complaining about the mods and how the board is run. My guess is you could get this board and run it how you would like for less than 400k. WoV was the value so why not make an offer and see if I'm right. Meanwhile I'll enjoy your posts giving the alternative view. Kind of like Air America.
Quote: BozThanks for the welcome. I didn't leave, just stayed away from posting. Still enjoyed your complaining about the mods and how the board is run. My guess is you could get this board and run it how you would like for less than 400k. WoV was the value so why not make an offer and see if I'm right. Meanwhile I'll enjoy your posts giving the alternative view. Kind of like Air America.
The first thing I'd do is clean house. Would you consider being my top administrator. I'll pay you what you're worth.
Quote: 1BBThe first thing I'd do is clean house. Would you consider being my top administrator. I'll pay you what you're worth.
Gee thanks! If by worth. You mean Net Worth, I'll put mine against yours with any long term forum member as judge. If you mean worth to the forum, we are both worthless. I see it, you fail to. But the difference is I understand it, you seem to think your thoughts on how the forum should be run matter to anyone other than me. But at least we provide humor to some.
Yikes, what started this feud?Quote: BozGee thanks! If by worth. You mean Net Worth, I'll put mine against yours with any long term forum member as judge. If you mean worth to the forum, we are both worthless. I see it, you fail to. But the difference is I understand it, you seem to think your thoughts on how the forum should be run matter to anyone other than me. But at least we provide humor to some.
Has MasterHoudini been mistakenly nuked?
SmallCapGrowth has vouched for MasterHoudini as "super legit" & "much respected". Here are SmallCapGrowth's vouching posts:
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/showthread.php?29786-How-long-does-flyering-last&p=162758#post162758
Assuming that his ban was associated with B79.Quote: ArtemisMasterHoudini was restricted per info in his profile here: https://wizardofvegas.com/member/masterhoudini/
Has MasterHoudini been mistakenly nuked?
SmallCapGrowth has vouched for MasterHoudini as "super legit" & "much respected". Here are SmallCapGrowth's vouching posts:
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/showthread.php?29786-How-long-does-flyering-last&p=162758#post162758
Are you sure its the same person? Our resident serial sock puppet scours the internet looking for information he can use as his own. He gathers general information and uses it. That's why he never has anything new or unique to say, he fakes it. No real knowledge or legitimate advice.
He may have seen that name and used it here.
Or it's the same person and he's somehow duped someone into vouching for him. He kind of did that here.
I read all of Masterhoudini's posts here and they reenforce the fact that he knows his blackjack. He knows about flyers, the B and other AC casinos in regard to blackjack. He even calls casinos stores. There is nothing remotely wrong with his posts so I can only assume that something came up with his IP address and how accurate is that information?
What we're seeing here is names going red with no explanation and no entry into the suspension list. Where's the transparency now? Of course people are going to have questions. Are we trying to create our own little Gitmo here? I can see it for the fake license guys and certain other ne'er-do-wells but not for someone who has been making decent posts.
Quote: AxelWolfYikes, what started this feud?
What can I say other than Boz will be Boz? There is no feud as far as I'm concerned because a feud requires more than one participant.
Several people have contacted me about this, all of them scratching their heads. For that reason I'll try to shed some light on what I think has been happening for some time now.
Boz seems to have issues with me disagreeing, offering an opinion or just discussing things in this thread entitled Discussion about the Suspension List. Perhaps he's just a loyal member of this site. I'll get back to that later. He and a couple of others are always quick to reply whenever I post in this thread. They don't like the things that I point out and feel they must rise to the defense of the site and it's fine administrators. I have dubbed these people the circle the wagons crowd. I haven't made any comments of late so I'm not sure what has brought these latest comments on other than the fact that Boz took a break and now wants to catch up.
Boz has periodically offered me financial advice including purchasing this site for 400K (I didn't know it was for sale), has told me what I think and now wants to compare net worth. I find this all very bizarre. What's next? Who has the biggest pickup truck? Penis? Can my father beat up his father?
Unlike Boz, I don't possess the ability to know what others think. I wish I did but since I don't I can only speculate on his intentions. Perhaps he feels obligated to give back because of the lenient treatment he has enjoyed here. You see, according to the suspension list that he so gallantly defends, our Boz has been suspended not one, not two, but four times.
Each and every time he called someone an a**hole and said f you twice, one time all in caps. Back to loyalty. That doesn't sound loyal to me. From the first suspension to the last he got 3 days, 7 days, back to 3 days and finally 14 days. Lenient? You decide.
I find it particularly sad when someone has to resort to vulgarities and insults to make their point. We all know the words but most of us are able to articulate without using them.
Boz is welcome to comment as he always is to any of my posts but I'm going to try not to drag this out. That's not the purpose of this forum and, quite frankly, it could become yet another embarrassment. I certainly don't want that to happen.
I hope this answers some of the questions that my many well wishers have been asking.
Love ya, Boz. Glad you're back.
Quote: 1BBEach and every time he called someone an a**hole and said f you twice, one time all in caps. Back to loyalty. That doesn't sound loyal to me. From the first suspension to the last he got 3 days, 7 days, back to 3 days and finally 14 days. Lenient? You decide.
Funny thing how these suspensions work. I am criticizing the handling of suspensions a bit--I got seven days for my first suspension pretty much for being disagreeable about a banning that was issued. The second suspension that I got was rescinded once everyone looked at the conversation, and I supposedly have a day or two "in the bank" for my next offense. I don't really intend to commit another one; the first one I was aware that I would probably get suspended for.
Suspensions don't always follow the guidelines. I disagree with how some of them are handled, but I don't own jack squat around here. Honestly, a banning of 3-7 days will calm most things down; once someone can't calm down in that amount of time, they are pretty much on their way to nuclear anyway. A guy recently got 14 days for three insults in one day or something like that--probably 7 days would have been fine, since the guidelines are not rigid.
I don't dislike any of the mods; they have a tough job. I don't dislike ownership; they've given us a great forum. I just agree to disagree with their decisions sometimes!!
And I'm sure mine is bigger as well, but we can stay away from sharing pictures to prove it. Big smile!!
Quote: 1BBI read all of Masterhoudini's posts here and they reenforce the fact that he knows his blackjack. He knows about flyers, the B and other AC casinos in regard to blackjack. He even calls casinos stores. There is nothing remotely wrong with his posts so I can only assume that something came up with his IP address and how accurate is that information?
What we're seeing here is names going red with no explanation and no entry into the suspension list. Where's the transparency now?
Of course people are going to have questions. Are we trying to create our own little Gitmo here?
do the mods always update names on suspension list immediately?
who else was suspended that isn't listed?
Gitmo?!
now I think you need to take a breath or 2.
how about giving the mods a chance to respond before jumping the shark?
Quote: 100xOdds
do the mods always update names on suspension list immediately?
I'm usually bad at this. Sometimes I'll see something that needs action right when I see it, but oftentimes I'm on my phone. There is no way I will ever edit that list on my phone. You think IMG links and quotes are bad on a phone? The List is like trying to manipulate 500 of them in one post. No way.
But I didn't do this last. Dunno anything about it or the guy who turned red.
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: 1BBI read all of Masterhoudini's posts here and they reenforce the fact that he knows his blackjack. He knows about flyers, the B and other AC casinos in regard to blackjack. He even calls casinos stores. There is nothing remotely wrong with his posts so I can only assume that something came up with his IP address and how accurate is that information?
What we're seeing here is names going red with no explanation and no entry into the suspension list. Where's the transparency now?
Of course people are going to have questions. Are we trying to create our own little Gitmo here?
do the mods always update names on suspension list immediately?
who else was suspended that isn't listed?
Gitmo?!
now I think you need to take a breath or 2.
how about giving the mods a chance to respond before jumping the shark?
No shark jumping from me. The Gitmo was tongue in cheek referring to people's status changing. I think most got that but I'll be sure to add the smiley face next time just like they do in grade school. Why did you put part of my post in bold? That's not the way I typed it or intended it to appear.
Quote: ArtemisMasterHoudini was restricted per info in his profile here: https://wizardofvegas.com/member/masterhoudini/
Has MasterHoudini been mistakenly nuked?
SmallCapGrowth has vouched for MasterHoudini as "super legit" & "much respected". Here are SmallCapGrowth's vouching posts:
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/showthread.php?29786-How-long-does-flyering-last&p=162758#post162758
Why has no one in management here answered this post, other than Face, stating he has no idea why.
It seems strange that a member here is in red, with no explanation, while highly respected and known AP's on another site are not only vouching for him, but speaking highly of him. Someone's perception of this member is off kilter.
I agree with what you said about the other site. I was going to point that out myself.Quote: beachbumbabsI have been having an off-line conversation with MasterHoudini over the last couple of days, trying to get to the bottom of it. I am re-activating their account and making them welcome, but only because I'm assuming positive intent; the reasons they were de-activated have not yet been resolved. Do note that MasterHoudini had only 13 posts on that other forum, having just joined there as well, and those guys didn't know who that was either until they talked about it among themselves (all in that thread), and that the two vouching for MasterHoudini are not known to this forum under those names. (If either of them is a member here, I'd appreciate a PM from them about it.) So we're going to start fresh, and go from there.
You cant tell us why the ban was made? Normally you guys won't suspend someone without very good evidence(even when it's blatantly obvious). Members here should be able to make the decision themselves, if they want to trust that person or not. Who's IP did it match?(if any)
This may even uncover something more.
Has it been confirmed its the same Houdini even?
Not sure if you guys have even told us exactly what gets matched. I assume it's more than just an IP you can check, there's obviously some other method.
Quote: AxelWolfI agree with what you said about the other site. I was going to point that out myself.
You cant tell us why the ban was made? Normally you guys won't suspend someone without very good evidence(even when it's blatantly obvious). Members here should be able to make the decision themselves, if they want to trust that person or not. Who's IP did it match?(if any)
This may even uncover something more.
Has it been confirmed its the same Houdini even?
Not sure if you guys have even told us exactly what gets matched. I assume it's more than just an IP you can check, there's obviously some other method.
I'm not willing to have that conversation in public. All it does is give spoofers/spammers/sockpuppets more info about how to screw with us. As I said, there are questions still about the authenticity of this new member, but I'm willing to go forward and let them either self-destruct or be a great new addition to the board, hoping for the latter.
Oh yes I understand I didn't want specifics. Was just hoping you would say we have a better system than just a simple IP match.Quote: beachbumbabsI'm not willing to have that conversation in public. All it does is give spoofers/spammers/sockpuppets more info about how to screw with us. As I said, there are questions still about the authenticity of this new member, but I'm willing to go forward and let them either self-destruct or be a great new addition to the board, hoping for the latter.
However I think it's unfair we don't know what the original ban was for.
I get the feeling you are very confident that your ban was justified, and your assumption/suppositions/IP Check or whatever was, was fairly accurate. But, you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Quote: AxelWolfOh yes I understand I didn't want specifics. Was just hoping you would say we have a better system than just a simple IP match.
However I think it's unfair we don't know what the original ban was for.
I get the feeling you are very confident that your ban was justified, and your assumption/suppositions/IP Check or whatever was, was fairly accurate. But, you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
It was neither arbitrary nor capricious (the original ban). Time will tell whether I'm right to give MH the benefit of the doubt and restore them. I hope it's a good decision, but can't tell at the moment.
Quote: kewljWhoa....what happened to EvenBob?? Name in red and no longer sits atop the post leaderboard. What did I miss?
@June 17th, 2015 at 5:14:11 PM, BBB put Bob in the cooler for 3 days for insulting Terapined. Read more about it thru the links below:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/19722-ebola/6/#post465923
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/19722-ebola/29/#post465952
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/19722-ebola/29/#post465979
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/19722-ebola/30/#post465994
Quote: Artemis@June 17th, 2015 at 5:14:11 PM, BBB put Bob in the cooler for 3 days for insulting Terapined. Read more about it thru the links below:
ahhh...thank you for catching me up, Artemis.
I guess while on suspension, he losses his seat atop the throne. Congrats to Nareed as acting President. And to Axel for now hitting the leaderboard. lol
Let's see if Bob's suspension carries over to DT. That should be interesting. I'm sure he will return a new man in three days. Here's a chance to gain some posts on him for those who find it important.
Brinkmanship: almost as satisfying as schadenfreude, eh?
Quote: 1BB
Let's see if Bob's suspension carries over to DT.
I was told, on a few different occasions, that bans would no longer carry to DT provided that the banned member did not carry the issue across boards. Several before EB have posted at DT while being red here (in fact, that how most banned folks contact me to question the banning) and not one has dragged the drama with them.
Even some nuked members have gained clemency, and while few to none post regularly, not a one had dragged drama during the time they were posting. Lemiuex and B9 are the only one who received the dual boot, henceforth known as "The Waterboy" =p
I don't think that using the tinfoil hat thing is always suspension worthy, if it is, quite a few people can be retroactively suspended because it has been used here frequently.Quote: 1BBI guess we all have different levels of what insults us. I looked up tin foil hat and read all the definitions. While not flattering, I would not be insulted by it and I doubt that most people in a live, face to face conversation would be. I'm not telling anyone else how to feel, just stating my own opinion. The term appears numerous times in this forum but this is the first suspension that I recall over it. I guess I'm just not that sensitive over something on an anonymous internet forum.
Let's see if Bob's suspension carries over to DT. That should be interesting. I'm sure he will return a new man in three days. Here's a chance to gain some posts on him for those who find it important.
I'm going to assume it was the fact that TE actually said he considered it an insult and TE really doesn't seem to fit the Tinfoil had description.
Babs mentioned something about my IP addresses leading to my ban. I'm currently on the road doing a blackjack tour- hence the use of multiple IP addresses in a short span. I also made quite a few posts recently after signing up for my new account as I had some pressing questions about certain issues and wanted to be able to activate my "pm" function with more posting activity. I mentioned in the other forum, I am no expert by any means, but I have been around the block and do have a little insight that I've accrued and would be willing to share some of this knowledge with this community. As well I'm always learning and improving and I think this is a good forum to start.
MH
Also, kudos to BBB for looking into and remedying the situation and to Artemis for bringing it to light on this site.
EvenBob 6/7/12 7 Personal insult/trolling 6/14/12
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/21601-suspension-list-archive/
Quote: RonCEB's second suspension, if I did my search correctly. His first:
EvenBob 6/7/12 7 Personal insult/trolling 6/14/12
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/21601-suspension-list-archive/
Those are the ones on the books. In March 2013 Bob made a harmless joke to aceofspades, of all people, and was promptly suspended by Mission. DJTeddyBear was a not so secret administrator at the time. Bob called DJTeddyBear at his home, DJTeddyBear overturned the suspension, rightfully so in my opinion, and was subsequently relieved of his secret duties. I also remember a comment about a photo of one of the WOV meet ups. There was a reference to the movie Tootsie that may have been about Nareed. I'm not sure what action was taken then. I can't find it on the suspension list.
Quote: MasterhoudiniThanks to those who vouched for me on other forum. There is some debate about my legitimacy. I'm indeed a legit poster and not the troll you speak of.
Babs mentioned something about my IP addresses leading to my ban. I'm currently on the road doing a blackjack tour- hence the use of multiple IP addresses in a short span. I also made quite a few posts recently after signing up for my new account as I had some pressing questions about certain issues and wanted to be able to activate my "pm" function with more posting activity. I mentioned in the other forum, I am no expert by any means, but I have been around the block and do have a little insight that I've accrued and would be willing to share some of this knowledge with this community. As well I'm always learning and improving and I think this is a good forum to start.
MH
Welcome to the board, MH, and I'm glad you've returned and we can start fresh. I apologize for the inconvenience, and appreciate your patience in sorting this. Good variance on your tour, and I hope you enjoy connecting with the other BJ players here.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't think that using the tinfoil hat thing is always suspension worthy, if it is, quite a few people can be retroactively suspended because it has been used here frequently.
I'm going to assume it was the fact that TE actually said he considered it an insult and TE really doesn't seem to fit the Tinfoil had description.
Typing tinfoil hat into the WOV search bar at the top of this page showed 55 results over 7 pages going back to 2010. That's this site only, not the entire internet. It was fine for hundreds of references over 5 years and suddenly it's an insult? I doubt that everyone feels this way.
In my opinion, jumping the gun and banning Masterhoudini is something that should not have happened. It reminds me of the Salem witch trials. The guy never had a chance while the real troublemakers have been allowed to make dozens of posts. Err in favor not against.
If a ban here no longer results in a ban at DT, shouldn't that notice be removed from the top of the suspension list? I agree with that one. Why should there be a carryover? If I didn't know better I might think that policy was relaxed to accommodate a certain member of "value" who can no longer post here.
Quote: 1BBThose are the ones on the books. In March 2013 Bob made a harmless joke to aceofspades, of all people, and was promptly suspended by Mission. DJTeddyBear was a not so secret administrator at the time. Bob called DJTeddyBear at his home, DJTeddyBear overturned the suspension, rightfully so in my opinion, and was subsequently relieved of his secret duties. I also remember a comment about a photo of one of the WOV meet ups. There was a reference to the movie Tootsie that may have been about Nareed. I'm not sure what action was taken then. I can't find it on the suspension list.
You track these things way more than anyone else around here.
I don't think tinfoil hat is much of an insult, but I guess the officer can give you a ticket even if you are just 1 mph over the limit...
Quote: kewljahhh...thank you for catching me up, Artemis.
I guess while on suspension, he losses his seat atop the throne. Congrats to Nareed as acting President. And to Axel for now hitting the leaderboard. lol
Yeah this caught me off guard the most. System probably doesn't differentiate a temp ban from permanent.
I wonder how many times mods thought about suspending him, but didn't. I've always thought that he is a master at toeing the line.
Quote: RonCYou track these things way more than anyone else around here.
I don't think tinfoil hat is much of an insult, but I guess the officer can give you a ticket even if you are just 1 mph over the limit...
I've been blessed with an excellent memory so it's not really tracking. I just retain a lot without even trying.
I don't see it as an insult but if someone else does then I guess it is to them. The problems with the officer can be many, from a power trip to selective enforcement to favoritism. If tickets were given to everyone going 1 mph over the limit I don't think there would be as many complaints.
It's no secret that EvenBob, with his shoot from the hip style, can be abrasive and brusque but I have never seen him go out of his way to deliberately insult anyone. Sometimes the truth isn't pretty. Ironically he is the recipient of more insults than most here and I don't see much action taken about that.
Now watch him come back and insult me for posting this. :-)
Quote: kewlj...I guess while on suspension, he losses his seat atop the throne. Congrats to Nareed as acting President. And to Axel for now hitting the leaderboard. lol
With Axel's consistent, but most likely unintentional double posts, he'll be on top in no time. :-)
Quote: 1BBI guess we all have different levels of what insults us. I looked up tin foil hat and read all the definitions. While not flattering, I would not be insulted by it and I doubt that most people in a live, face to face conversation would be. I'm not telling anyone else how to feel, just stating my own opinion. The term appears numerous times in this forum but this is the first suspension that I recall over it. I guess I'm just not that sensitive over something on an anonymous internet forum.
Odd, just linking sad violin music seemed to upset you the one time I did it after one of your windy posts on how on why the forum is not run to your liking.
Is "windy" an insult?
Quote: rxwineOdd, just linking sad violin music seemed to upset you the one time I did it after one of your windy posts on how on why the forum is not run to your liking.
Is "windy" an insult?
There you are! Try as you might there's nothing that you can do to upset me. If you don't like the fact that I have an opinion just say it. If you'd like to insult me go ahead and make it a good one. I will ask the administrators that you not be suspended - again. If you think violin music will add to the forum or this thread by all means post some.
Quote:10. "Why are you getting so upset?"
The passive aggressive person is a master at maintaining calm and feigning shock when others, worn down by his or her indirect hostility, blow up in anger. In fact, the person takes pleasure out of setting others up to lose their cool and then questioning their "overreactions."
Just doing research man. Or maybe that's passive aggressive?
Quote: 1BBIt must be tough circling the wagons all by your lonesome. If you'd like to discuss the suspension list I'll be happy to respond otherwise you'll have to hijack on you own. Thanks for your comments.
I can join in if it will make you feel better, but I'm kind of busy getting back to work after vacation dealing with a few employees who, like you seem to want to tell me how to run my business. Unlike how the Wizard told those who don't like how things are done here to leave, I kind of need them so I listen, smile, nod and make them feel better. Luckily here I can say how I feel as long as I stay within the rules. Which isn't always easy.
