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April 5th, 2021 at 4:46:18 PM permalink
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I'd be happy to hear from him.

I check IP addresses at a few info sites and SOME are clearly flagged as VPNs or proxies. But many that are vpns are not flagged as such. For those, I'm not aware of any authoritative test that would flag every VPN. So, I'd value the training too.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:28:48 PM permalink
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I don't think there is an easy way to screen for that. If there is, I am not aware of it.



I think many sights have gone to a Facebook/Twitter/Microsoft login. Not sure how that works, but it must do something.


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April 5th, 2021 at 5:35:40 PM permalink
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I think many sights have gone to a Facebook/Twitter/Microsoft login. Not sure how that works, but it must do something.


ZCore13



Well the one I mentioned hasn't. It is a log-on same as here, although different software and that may be the difference. Also Dan Druff, who hopefully will weigh in here, has been working with/on forums for 20 years and has stated he is quite knowledgeable about this stuff.

Maybe it can't translate to here, with this software and setup. I have no idea. Was just a thought about how to get a grip on the sockpuppet problem that seems to be increasing (from my perspective).
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April 5th, 2021 at 10:46:17 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'd be happy to hear from him.

I'm not sure how easy it is, but companies like Netflix do this. It's not foolproof and there are workarounds, but it would cut down on some of the sockpuppet accounts. I think it was probably better when people thought their VPN was fooling the sockpuppet task force.
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April 8th, 2021 at 3:43:10 AM permalink
Yes, I am the one who kewlJ was referring to. I run Vegas Casino Talk, for those of you who don't know, and I have a "no VPN/proxy" policy.

It is indeed an inexact science to detect them, but it's not as hard as being portrayed out here. I have a way to automatically detect most of them. In fact, in a few instances when my forum was "under attack" by formerly banned users repeatedly signing back up, I actually shut down all new signups from suspected VPNs for awhile.

The biggest problem is that you get the occasional false positive, so it's not something I recommend doing long term, unless you have a method in place to deal with that. (I gave the user denied signup a way to contact me in case he was falsely detected to be using a VPN.)

But in general, my method is not to inspect IPs until there's a problem. So if someone is suspected of being a fake account or sock, I look at the IP. If it's a VPN/proxy, I tell them I will need to see their real IP address, and that they are going to need to login from their home or work IP, and not a cell phone or from Starbucks.

Once I see that, I save their real IP and tell them they can return to the VPN.

Yes, I realize someone could go to a friend's house or a business with an open Wifi and satisfy my requirement, but at least I'll have their approximate geographic location, which is already a big clue, because you can rule out a lot of possibilities. For example if "John" is suspected of being a sock of a guy named "Henry", I can be fairly certain that John isn't the same person as Henry if John's location is 3000 miles away from Henry's.

None of this is foolproof, but most forum trolls aren't expert hackers. Usually if you demand a "real" home/work IP, and know how to identify one, then you will know a lot more, and it will be harder for people using socks to get away with it.

Anyway, it's not easy, but it's not particularly difficult, either.

I will say that, in my opinion, it's rather foolish to get away with letting a suspected sock hide behind a VPN. If you see that, you should at least force them to very briefly unmask. But I won't tell Mike how to run his forum.
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April 8th, 2021 at 4:55:09 AM permalink
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But in general, my method is not to inspect IPs until there's a problem.
So if someone is suspected of being a fake account or sock, I look at the IP.



Suspected by whom?

Are all such suspicions investigated?
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April 8th, 2021 at 6:39:36 AM permalink
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Cheers BNMOAT.

I'll say again. By even having this thread, we give clues to mischief makers as to how they can evade detection. So I'm not going to say what tools I/We have.
Gut and experience is a part of it. Sometimes we see a new user and KNOW it's a sock and ban him/her. We may not have proof and we may not even know which ne'er do well it is. But fortunately we have that authority from Wizard. It's used with discretion, including by wizard.

I just wish* I didn't have to see decent contributing members frequently suspended because they cannot resist taking the bait of other clever members. I also wish junk threads could be allowed to decay gracefully instead of getting bumped all the time by said Decent members.
"I just wanted to challenge his nonsense = I just bumped his thread to the longest and most read"
"I blocked him and ignored his nonsense = I helped to bury that thread"

It's not rocket science.

*I also wish for peace on Earth and an end to disease. I'll settle for 1/3



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Incidentally, had some regulars here not responded to that “other” thread when it debuted back in 2019, it probably would have faded away into obscurity back then and before it made it to the overly long thread it is now.

But because the OP got the attention and/or validation OP apparently craved, you can now fast forward to today where some are borderline obsessed over OP and/or OP’s threads across multiple forums.

You reap what you sow, as the saying goes. But it might not be too late. I don’t know. Consider this post “advice.”

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April 8th, 2021 at 6:40:05 AM permalink
Quote: DanDruff

But in general, my method is not to inspect IPs until there's a problem. So if someone is suspected of being a fake account or sock, I look at the IP. If it's a VPN/proxy, I tell them I will need to see their real IP address, and that they are going to need to login from their home or work IP, and not a cell phone or from Starbucks.



Thanks Dan! What site do you prefer to check an IP? What can you tell me about this IP: 72.193.121.71, for example?
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April 8th, 2021 at 6:52:24 AM permalink
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Thanks Dan! What site do you prefer to check an IP? What can you tell me about this IP: 72.193.121.71, for example?

Plug that in here:

https://iplocation.com/
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April 8th, 2021 at 7:25:20 AM permalink
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