Come Our Roll Sucker Bets
However, I have recently started covering my Come Out roll against the 2,3, or 12.
Let's say on a $5 table I would make either a C/E wager for $1 each, a Horn High YO for $5,
or a Field Bet for $5. I KNOW each is a sucker bet, but which would you recommend...if I
DID do one?
For what it's worth, when I'm shooting, I'll do a C/E for about 1/2 the value of my Pass. Then again, I'm not looking to cover ONLY the craps. I'm trying to maximize my potential by trying to shoot 11. In my head, doing the C/E covers me if I "get the 11 upside-down, or hit any other bad number." Yes, I realize the only other bad numbers are 2 & 12.....
Quote: DJTeddyBearIf you're trying to cover against a 2, 3, 12, why would you do a C/E or Horn High YO? Seems to me that you'd better achieve your goal by doing the Any Craps for $1.
For what it's worth, when I'm shooting, I'll do a C/E for about 1/2 the value of my Pass. Then again, I'm not looking to cover ONLY the craps. I'm trying to maximize my potential by trying to shoot 11. In my head, doing the C/E covers me if I "get the 11 upside-down, or hit any other bad number." Yes, I realize the only other bad numbers are 2 & 12.....
DJ, sometimes you surprise me that you havent accepted the Gospel according to Michael [meaning the Wiz of course] , your hedging violating one of the items on the stone tablets in his version.
On the come out roll a PassLine bet wins on 7 and 11. It loses on 2, 3 and 12. Taking "insurance" on your passline bet just salves your conscience if you roll craps. Well, it happens. Put up another PassLine bet and try again. Or switch to the DontPass but why bother to straddle the middle somewhere. The house edge applies no matter what and you ain't gonna avoid that edge.
Quote: odiousgambitQuote: DJTeddyBearIf you're trying to cover against a 2, 3, 12, why would you do a C/E or Horn High YO? Seems to me that you'd better achieve your goal by doing the Any Craps for $1.
For what it's worth, when I'm shooting, I'll do a C/E for about 1/2 the value of my Pass. Then again, I'm not looking to cover ONLY the craps. I'm trying to maximize my potential by trying to shoot 11. In my head, doing the C/E covers me if I "get the 11 upside-down, or hit any other bad number." Yes, I realize the only other bad numbers are 2 & 12.....
DJ, sometimes you surprise me that you havent accepted the Gospel according to Michael [meaning the Wiz of course] , your hedging violating one of the items on the stone tablets in his version.
Quite the opposite.
What the original poster was asking about is hedging. And that's the response I gave him.
What *I* do is NOT hedging, since the 11 hits both bets. I'm maximizing the potential.
In my mind, if I make a point of 6/8 (Lose the field) it's easy enough to MAKE that field loss back.
As a fellow craps player I think a dollar on craps is the best choice. As a nickle player you're much more likely to accept the loss of a dollar than a nickle. A dollar on eleven? Not worth it because you're already winning on a yo. Horn high yo? I don't like to touch the horn because I know it's a sucker bet and it requires a minimum of $4 as compared to a craps bet which gives a similar high but only costs a buck.
Might I recommend a dollar on 12 or 2, when it eventually pays out for 30 to 1 it's fricken awesome.
Quote: DJTeddyBear
Quite the opposite.
What the original poster was asking about is hedging. And that's the response I gave him.
What *I* do is NOT hedging, since the 11 hits both bets. I'm maximizing the potential.
Quote: RonDiazIf you're not hedging shouldn't you just bet the yo then?
I agree with Ron here, the e/c makes it hedging for sure to me, you might explain why you think otherwise
Quote: tedou1I am a very experienced craps player and know the disadvantage of the sucker bets.
However, I have recently started covering my Come Out roll against the 2,3, or 12.
Let's say on a $5 table I would make either a C/E wager for $1 each, a Horn High YO for $5,
or a Field Bet for $5. I KNOW each is a sucker bet, but which would you recommend...if I
DID do one?
I would think the "Any Craps" for a buck would be the best option. However, I would recommend you not bet any of them unless:
-- You are pressing a win, and using "house money to bet more than the $5 minimum or...
-- You believe that you can influence the dice, even slightly.
Like DJ, I don't hedge. I am actually betting on the outcome of the dice, anticipating that I can shoot 11, 3, 2, or 12. Conveniently, the Horn provides a nice hole for me to pour my chips into.
Quote: ahiromuMight I recommend a dollar on 12 or 2, when it eventually pays out for 30 to 1 it's fricken awesome.
Not that awesome when you remember the HOUSE is winning $6 if you win and $1 if you lose...so obviously they'd rather you win.
Quote: AyecarumbaConveniently, the Horn provides a nice hole for me to pour my chips into.
The horn is a way of making four bad bets simultaneously... and losing either 3 or 4 of them.
