Cant edit anymore?

is there now a time limit to editing my posts?

if so, when was it implemented?

I think so. I ran into it the other day. I became furious.

Ah yes meant to make a post about this. We implemented this couple days ago. Main reason is to fight spam.

As you know we been hit with bots and spammers as of resently. some of the spammers would go and edit their old posts and place links. And we would go for days , or even months not noticing these spam links.

Currently the edit time is set to one hour after post is made, which i think its plenty of time to make changes.

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I understand the need for this but I'd still like longer to edit posts. I don't intend to make mistakes in posts but I do. I like to fix them and keep the focus on the subject and not the mistake.

If bots and spammers are banned, how can they come back and edit their posts? Maybe stopping banned people from doing ANYTHING would be a better way to go.

This was the only forum that I am on that used to allow edits forever.

Quote: RonC

I understand the need for this but I'd still like longer to edit posts. I don't intend to make mistakes in posts but I do. I like to fix them and keep the focus on the subject and not the mistake.

If bots and spammers are banned, how can they come back and edit their posts? Maybe stopping banned people from doing ANYTHING would be a better way to go.

What do u think would be long enough time for post edits? What would work for u?

Having limited edit time is pretty standard thing online. It certainly prevents some abuse and spam.

Quote: Zuga

Ah yes meant to make a post about this. We implemented this couple days ago. Main reason is to fight spam.

As you know we been hit with bots and spammers as of resently. some of the spammers would go and edit their old posts and place links. And we would go for days , or even months not noticing these spam links.

Currently the edit time is set to one hour after post is made, which i think its plenty of time to make changes.

*FACEPALM*

with a big change like this, I would have thought you'd give advanced notice?

Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: Zuga

Ah yes meant to make a post about this. We implemented this couple days ago. Main reason is to fight spam.

As you know we been hit with bots and spammers as of resently. some of the spammers would go and edit their old posts and place links. And we would go for days , or even months not noticing these spam links.

Currently the edit time is set to one hour after post is made, which i think its plenty of time to make changes.

*FACEPALM*

with a big change like this, I would have thought you'd give advanced notice?

Me too but I remember running my own company and with so many things on your mind, something inevitably falls through the cracks. I turned red a few times when my clients would call me out on something and it was an honest oversight. Lets not get too worked up over the unannouncement.

Quote: 100xOdds

*FACEPALM*

with a big change like this, I would have thought you'd give advanced notice?

Give me a break... Not a matter of life or death. Its a weekend so i forgot....not a big deal. Not sure why some of you have a tendency to take things like its an end of the world.

This was done for the protection of the site. Its that simple.

Quote: Zuga

What do u think would be long enough time for post edits? What would work for u?

Having limited edit time is pretty standard thing online. It certainly prevents some abuse and spam.

1-5 hours seems normal, perhaps with a simple "delete" option that is good forever?

Don't worry too much, it is a forum, not the Congressional Record.

Three issue for me.

One, I edit ALOT, because I am an and idiot. I am very weak with grammar and spelling and I do try really hard to go back and correct and get these things 'right'. That's a pretty embarrassing revelation since you folks gets to see how much I still fail at this task. :/

Second, I am generally very weak at written communication. I write and post something and re-reading it minutes, even hours later, think that is not what I meant to say or I didn't express that as I would have liked to have.

Third, I post something, maybe an incident that I think may benefit others, or maybe I have posted in too much detail that can be identifying and harmful to my anonymity, and later, sometimes the next day, I re-read and say "Oh my god, I can't post that!". As I said, sometimes I am just an idiot. :(

My only concern would be if someone posted some sensitive information about another member and now couldn't take it down. Example: someone posts a group picture but someone didn't want it posted. Usually you could PM that person and ask them to take it down and edit it. Its probably to late once its posted but it could minimize who sees it.

Quote: kewlj

Three issue for me.

One, I edit ALOT, because I am an and idiot. I am very weak with grammar and spelling and I do try really hard to go back and correct and get these things 'right'. That's a pretty embarrassing revelation since you folks gets to see how much I still fail at this task. :/

Second, I am generally very weak at written communication. I write and post something and re-reading it minutes, even hours later, think that is not what I meant to say or I didn't express that as I would have liked to have.

Third, I post something, maybe an incident that I think may benefit others, or maybe I have posted in too much detail that can be identifying and harmful to my anonymity, and later, sometimes the next day, I re-read and say "Oh my god, I can't post that!". As I said, sometimes I am just an idiot. :(

I often only look at the forums every couple of days, and I have been asked by members to edit older posts where where I misquoted, or didn't understand properly the intent of the poster I was replying to and answered along some other line, or something.

I have no problem with doing whatever is deemed necessary to limit spammers adding links etc to older posts however.

kewlJ's suggestion of having a time limit on edits, but an unlimited time for deletion seems a reasonable compromise. Admittedly I don't know how much 'programming' making that change would entail.

Thanks for listening

Quote: Zuga

What do u think would be long enough time for post edits? What would work for u?

Having limited edit time is pretty standard thing online. It certainly prevents some abuse and spam.

I guess my time limit would be based both on my desire to fix mistakes and not look like a total chucklehead all the time and the forum's need for protection from those would do evil. Is there anything "normal" about when the freaks come back and do their dirty work?

I still wonder why mods can't delete bad posts, make people who post them have no editing rights, or something of that sort to control those bad apples.

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Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: Zuga

Ah yes meant to make a post about this. We implemented this couple days ago. Main reason is to fight spam.

As you know we been hit with bots and spammers as of resently. some of the spammers would go and edit their old posts and place links. And we would go for days , or even months not noticing these spam links.

Currently the edit time is set to one hour after post is made, which i think its plenty of time to make changes.

*FACEPALM*

with a big change like this, I would have thought you'd give advanced notice?

Me too but I remember running my own company and with so many things on your mind, something inevitably falls through the cracks. I turned red a few times when my clients would call me out on something and it was an honest oversight. Lets not get too worked up over the unannouncement.

thx for putting it in perspective

Quote: 100xOdds

*FACEPALM*

with a big change like this, I would have thought you'd give advanced notice?

And what would you have done if you had been given advanced notice?

If a post is that important that it needs edited, all you have to do us PM a mod. I am sure they still have the edit power.

Here is a good example. In my post, several posts above, in the very first sentence, there is the word 'and' which doesn't belong there. Despite having re-read the post several times, I didn't realize this error, until I saw the post "quoted" by another member, when it seemed to hit me. But now, barely an hour later, I am unable to edit it out. :(

Quote: Zuga

we been hit with bots and spammers as of resently. some of the spammers would go and edit their old posts and place links. And we would go for days , or even months not noticing these spam links. Currently the edit time is set to one hour after post is made, which i think its plenty of time to make changes.

I would suggest at least one day, preferably two days.

Surprise, surprise, gamblers want more time for do overs.

Since gamblers are also known for revisionist history, how about we also include a rule that any person that edits a post after a reply, that changes the facts of the post gets an automatic 3 day suspension.

I think a couple of days would be nice. Often I post on my portable device, and make a lot of typos. It is nice to go back later and fix them. I'll usually see the mistakes after someone else has replied.

Who was it that had like 5000 posts when
the forum was sold and went back and
edited every one and erased all content.
No more of that.

Quote: EvenBob

Who was it that had like 5000 posts when
the forum was sold and went back and
edited every one and erased all content.
No more of that.

It was my account and I going to say this one last GD time....my account was hacked!!

BTW. I agree with the new setup.

It is nice to remove the ability of some who change facts down the road, but it also limits those that make honest mistakes.

Any chance that editing ability/time is linked to the same point system used for flagging?

Newbies would have a limited time to edit but people that have been posting a long time would have a little more leeway.

Perhaps more trouble for you to program than it's worth, but I figured I should at least mention the possibility.

I think this is a great idea, personally.

The edit time should be like 3 minutes. If you look at your post after you post it and see a mostake, edit it. If not, there's no reason to edit a free others have seen it. There is one person here that is notorious for posting things and editing them out after people have seen it. It should be allowed.


ZCore13

Wouldn't a better fix just be to limit editing to members with more then 3 months in an over 100 posts/ that could combat the issue

Quote: Zcore13

The edit time should be like 3 minutes. If you look at your post after you post it and see a mostake, edit it. If not, there's no reason to edit a free others have seen it. There is one person here that is notorious for posting things and editing them out after people have seen it. It should be allowed.


ZCore13

Actually, and no offense meant I promise. Your post could use some editing.
Mostake, no reason to edit a free others have seen it, and lastly 'it should be allowed''. I, mental giant that I am, cannot for sure decide what you meant by the term 'it'.

Happy to pay my $0.02, bill me ;-)

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Actually, and no offense meant I promise. Your post could use some editing.
Mostake, no reason to edit a free others have seen it, and lastly 'it should be allowed''. I, mental giant that I am, cannot for sure decide what you meant by the term 'it'.

Happy to pay my $0.02, bill me ;-)

Akjjeweley, even dough the edit futon was still aminicable, I disidad to rispondt too my on hosts. Just for fun...

Quote: Zuga

What do u think would be long enough time for post edits? What would work for u?

Well, Zuga, there is a post I made on March 16, 2012 -- more than three and a half years ago -- and I have edited it hundreds of times since then. My plan has been to keep editing it on a regular basis.

That post and the one following it constitute the two-part index for the Casino Chip of the Day thread, the second longest discussion thread at this forum, and by far the longest thread without any major fights or member suspensions.

Now you have locked that index! We might as well abolish the thread now, as there will be no way to keep track of where all of the new casinos and their chips have been posted and discussed. I am extremely upset about this, but I will try to mind my manners and not use the language I am thinking right now.

I'll just answer your question directly: "What do u think would be long enough time for post edits?" I'd say infinity, or at least for the rest of my life.



BTW folks, I picked up another new chip for my collection today, but I guess I won't bother posting it in the thread -- no way to add it to the index.

That's a great point --and further illustrates that my idea should be implemented

The chip of the day thread is popular and well run. It has an obviously updated index. It would seem prudent to understand the content of this site before making unnecessary wholesale changes that cripple popular aspects of the site.

I'll be happy to update the Index of CCotD if that would help.

Quote: Mission146

I'll be happy to update the Index of CCotD if that would help.

Surely you cannot be that much of a masochist. I am the weird nerd who came up with the idea and the primary one to keep kicking it along down the road. But even I think its a bear to make all of the adjustments I do each time a new chip is added to the thread. It's not like just adding the name of a casino and a corresponding link to the end of a running list. If the index is going to stay organized, there's a bunch of formatting changes each time. And I do keep a running count of the total number of casinos covered in the thread. Trust me: you don't want the job.

Again my suggestions avoids all of that - isn't that something that could be easily implemented

Maybe the chip of the day should be a feature of the website, with Doc as its editor, instead of a message in a forum.

Quote: Dalex64

Maybe the chip of the day should be a feature of the website, with Doc as its editor, instead of a message in a forum.

That'd be a Hell of a great idea with the only problem being it already is a message in the Forum.

Doc, I might PM and ask Zuga just to grant you basic Admin rights, if he is so inclined. Included would be the ability to Edit any post, but I know you'd only use it for your thread.

Why not just make all members of over 3 months the ability to edit their own post - that should avoid the spam and what not - if need be add in the more then 100 post qualifier as well

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Why not just make all members of over 3 months the ability to edit their own post - that should avoid the spam and what not - if need be add in the more then 100 post qualifier as well

Something like that, yes. There's no way to have sticky posts or thread summaries if you can't go back and update the lead post of a thread you started. The suspension list model, for example. No-edit policies will force the content of the forum toward ongoing conversation rather than easily-accessed information. On the other hand, very few people (here) do that anyway so perhaps it doesn't matter. Unlike other forums where members are actively working together toward a shared goal (and need a constantly-updated lead post for the latest info), this site isn't really meant to be productive. Not the way something like xda-developers is.

Quote: Zuga

which i think its plenty of time to make changes.

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Quote: Zuga

What do u think would be long enough time for post edits? What would work for u?

Jeezus man, at least enough time to get sober.

Quote: MathExtremist

There's no way to have sticky posts or thread summaries if you can't go back and update the lead post of a thread you started. The suspension list model, for example. No-edit policies will force the content of the forum toward ongoing conversation rather than easily-accessed information.

I think there have been a couple of attempts to use a 1st-post summary to keep track of expected attendees at a WoV gathering, such as G2E or the WoVCon/Spring Fling. I'm not sure we have ever made that work very well.

With specific reference to the Casino Chip of the Day thread, there are a few other complications:

First, this forum has a limit on the number of characters in an individual post. The original CCotD index eventually grew to the point that it couldn't be added to. When I hit the limit, JW gave some help and showed me how to post each link with fewer characters. That helped for a good while, but eventually I hit the cap once again.

We had to go through some significant gyrations in order to get a two-part index in place. That has worked for quite a while now, but if I only had the ability to edit Post #1, I would only be able to make additions to part 1 of the index, not the entire index.

Second, some day (and I really hope it isn't soon), if people keep posting new chips and if it turns out that I am allowed to keep adding to the index, then either part 1 or part 2 or both will hit the limit again, and we'll have to figure out some other solution for a three-part index. Unfortunately, the method that let us go from 1 to 2 won't work very well to go to 3. Thus, being permitted to edit a "Post #1" summary or index or even "Post #1 and #2" for an extended period would not serve the long-term needs of that thread.

Of course, if the character limit on a single post were eliminated, and if I were given short-term permission to edit posts #1 and #2 (in order to combine them once again), followed by permanent permission to edit the expanded post #1, then the index-management needs would be satisfied. However, I am not completely clear on all of the factors that went into the character limit on a post, so this "fix" probably isn't going to happen.

Third, in that thread there are reasons we sometimes want to add comments to other old posts. For example, rdw4potus has posted images of $5 chips from scads of casinos. If he posts one as the CCotD, it probably means I don't yet have a $1 chip (like I collect) from that casino, but I might get one later. That has happened quite a few times.

When I do, I generally post an image of my new souvenir at the current spot in the thread -- not as a chip of the day but as a different chip from a casino already covered. Then I go back to the first post I made after rdw4potus's chip-of-the-day post and add in a dated comment that I have finally posted the related $1 chip, and provide a link to that later post.

This allows someone to look up a casino in the index, quickly find rdw4potus's write-up and $5 chip image, and if they read just a few more posts they can find a link to the $1 chip image. If I can't edit that earlier post and add the link for the later post, no one is likely to be able to figure out whether there is a second, related image available.

So again, even if I were able to edit Post #1, that alone would not serve the needs of the CCotD thread, which may be about to die. Perhaps some folks will be glad to see that.

I am very disappointed to learn that posts can not be edited after one hour. In the several stories and posts I have written that are often several hundred words long, I have been grateful that there is an edit feature without time limits. In some of the stories I have written I have gone back sometimes twenty or more times in the course of a couple weeks to improve flow, correct spelling, grammar and punctuation; and finally, I have made these corrections to the point that I'm satisfied with the post.

Having a short time limit on editing posts means that all the corrections I'd like to make would not be possible, which leaves the post incomplete amateurish and less powerful.

I'm not that knowledgeable on spam but couldn't it be added anywhere in the body of a thread and therefore giving members a time limit on editing posts would not combat the problem?

I have reread some posts that I have written sometimes a dozen times before I have noticed glaring grammar and spelling mistakes. I value being able to correct these mistakes later, without time limits, so as improve the quality of my posts--espically my OP.

I have already made four "edits" to this post, including the addition of this paragraph, since I originally wrote this post about a half hour ago. Granted, on short posts like this one having a one hour time limit for corrections is reasonable, but for much longer posts the time limit is unfortunate.

Quote: Greasyjohn

I am very disappointed to learn that posts can not be edited after one hour. In the several stories and posts I have written that are often several hundred words long, I have been grateful that there is an edit feature without time limits. In some of the stories I have written I have gone back sometimes twenty or more times in the course of a couple weeks to improve flow, correct spelling, grammar and punctuation; and finally, I have made these corrections to the point that I'm satisfied with the post.

Having a short time limit on editing posts means that all the corrections I'd like to make would not be possible, which leaves the post incomplete amateurish and less powerful.

I'm not that knowledgeable on spam but couldn't it be added anywhere in the body of a thread and therefore giving members a time limit on editing posts would not combat the problem.

I have reread some posts that I have written sometimes a dozen times before I have noticed glaring grammar and spelling mistakes. I value being able to correct these mistakes later, without time limits, so as improve the quality of my posts--espically my OP.

Wasn't the story incomplete amateurish and less than powerful for the two weeks you didn't edit it correctly? I'm guessing 99% of almost all the views of a post would be during the first 2 weeks.

Also, if there is a glaring mistake an Admin can always make the change.

In my opinion changing content after people have already read it and responded to it should not be allowed. But of course, that's just one mans opinion.



ZCore13

Quote: Zcore13

Wasn't the story incomplete amateurish and less than powerful for the two weeks you didn't edit it correctly? I'm guessing 99% of almost all the views of a post would be during the first 2 weeks.
ZCore13

Yes, but for the two weeks many corrections have been made along the way.

I guess I could just hold off on making longer OPs until they are edited to my satisfaction. Problem is, it takes time and several rereadings to notice all the "adjustments" I want to make.

In the end it's a Boston Tea Party sort of thing. People had a certain power (editing their posts unlimited) and now that power has been taken away. Historically, people don't like restrictions to existing rights, power, etc.

I understand the reasoning behind eliminating the spam but as any right that is being limited under the attempt to fix another evil, there simply has to be a better way.

Stop and Frisk was a great example of something that cut down crime but was intolerable as it also cut into people's freedoms.

Not comparing the severity of post editing with stop and frisk or the American Revolution but trying to give perspective on people's general concept of having their power restricted, that's all.

Quote: Greasyjohn

Yes, but for the two weeks many corrections have been made along the way.

I guess I could just hold off on making longer OPs until they are edited to my satisfaction. Problem is, it takes time and several rereadings to notice all the "adjustments" I want to make.

Nice to hear from you GJ, hope you are doing OK.

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Nice to hear from you GJ, hope you are doing OK.

Thanks 2F. Things are going well. My second of three rounds of consolidation chemo is over with. I haven't been posting lately because I haven't seen posts that have motivated me to respond--just been lurking.

Glad to see you out of jail and still here. Last I recall you spent 5 days in the slammer (at least) for a 3-day suspension. If you get another suspension you should get this additional time served from this prior suspension as a credit /:)

Quote: Zuga

Give me a break... Not a matter of life or death. Its a weekend so i forgot....not a big deal. Not sure why some of you have a tendency to take things like its an end of the world.

This was done for the protection of the site. Its that simple.

I agree this site needs protection from spammers, but here may be a better way to combat spammers without hurting/upsetting the regular posters.

Treat the edit privilege just like the private message privilege. New posters/spammers need to have enough posts on this Forum in order to edit their posts.