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August 6th, 2014 at 12:11:02 PM permalink
I'm running Windows 7 with Java 7.
When I load the Wizard's Online Video Poker game ,
I get this error, TypeError: Object doesn't support property of method 'IsReady',
which I think is telling me that my system does not the Java needed to support the advice feature of the game.
Would someone please identify the Java program needed to support video poker? Thanks so much.
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August 7th, 2014 at 3:53:36 AM permalink
I reported this problem when the new site was first launched along with an analysis of what caused the problem, how to fix it on the server, and how clients can work around the issue. I submitted the problem via the web site's recommended procedures which sends mail to the Wizard. In the past he as gotten back to me about problems submitted, even though it mike take a while. This time there was no reply to a few problems I submitted, so I've stopped submitting problems I find.

Anyhow, on to your issue. Sorry I don't have time to post a complete explanation, but you should be able to "Google" the error information you received and find a solution on the Java site. You will have to use the Java console to override a security check that flags an invalid certificate. The override is specific to the site, so you won't have to compromise your overall security. It's a pain in the ass clients shouldn't have to deal with.
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August 7th, 2014 at 4:21:26 AM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

I reported this problem when the new site was first launched along with an analysis of what caused the problem, how to fix it on the server, and how clients can work around the issue. I submitted the problem via the web site's recommended procedures which sends mail to the Wizard. In the past he as gotten back to me about problems submitted, even though it mike take a while. This time there was no reply to a few problems I submitted, so I've stopped submitting problems I find.

Anyhow, on to your issue. Sorry I don't have time to post a complete explanation, but you should be able to "Google" the error information you received and find a solution on the Java site. You will have to use the Java console to override a security check that flags an invalid certificate. The override is specific to the site, so you won't have to compromise your overall security. It's a pain in the ass clients shouldn't have to deal with.

You sound like you know what you are doing.

This sound like a similar problem I have with 5dimes Java VP. I tried everything I could think of. I dealt with general support and nothing. I tried on My Gf's computer and I get the same thing.

IT keeps saying something about my security settings I attempted following instructions with certificates, Not sure if i could find the right one (I finally gave up). I can usually solve problems I run into. This one has me stumped.


Is this something you could help with?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 7th, 2014 at 5:05:39 AM permalink
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You sound like you know what you are doing.

This sound like a similar problem I have with 5dimes Java VP. I tried everything I could think of. I dealt with general support and nothing. I tried on My Gf's computer and I get the same thing.

IT keeps saying something about my security settings I attempted following instructions with certificates, Not sure if i could find the right one (I finally gave up). I can usually solve problems I run into. This one has me stumped.


Is this something you could help with?

I will post instructions for the solution I found, but that will have to wait until tonight, Right Coast time. Gotta do the jobby job thing right now.
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August 7th, 2014 at 5:28:33 AM permalink
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I will post instructions for the solution I found, but that will have to wait until tonight, Right Coast time. Gotta do the jobby job thing right now.

Cool thanks if you could explain it as if I don't even know how to turn on my computer that would be great. I have had money just sitting there for a long time.
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August 7th, 2014 at 5:52:12 AM permalink
the Wizard is having so many problems I didnt want to add to them by complaining, but it is good to hear it's not just me ... I have similar problems when I try
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August 7th, 2014 at 7:32:16 PM permalink
Trying to run a Java application from the WizardOfOdds.com site results in an application blocked panel.



To work around this, select "Configure Java" from the program application menu.



This will launch the Java Control Panel.



On the Security tab, click the Edit Site List button.



Add http://wizardofodds.com as an Exception Site List and click OK.

Edit: Corrected screen shot.



Verify http://wizardofodds is on the Exception Site List and click Ok.



When running the application you may now be prompted as follows:



Click Continue and the application will run.
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August 7th, 2014 at 7:46:52 PM permalink
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Trying to run a Java application from the WizardOfOdds.com site results in an application blocked panel.



Thanks! Do you mind if I quote this on my Odds site? I've been meaning to do something like this.
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August 7th, 2014 at 7:48:33 PM permalink
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Thanks! Do you mind if I quote this on my Odds site? I've been meaning to do something like this.

I would be honored, but why not just correct the problem by publishing the application with a trusted CA?
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August 8th, 2014 at 3:23:25 AM permalink
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I would be honored, but why not just correct the problem by publishing the application with a trusted CA?



costs money?
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August 8th, 2014 at 4:02:46 AM permalink
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costs money?

Less than $200/year from most places, less than $100/yr if you shop around and take advantage of discounts. Not my business to manage, but I would think a site affiliated with gambling would especially want offered applications to pass security tests with no flags. I would not want my ad to appear next to an app that is blocked by security checks.

Edit: Added quote since my answer appears on a new page.
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August 8th, 2014 at 4:15:07 AM permalink
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I'm running Windows 7 with Java 7.
When I load the Wizard's Online Video Poker game ,
I get this error, TypeError: Object doesn't support property of method 'IsReady',
which I think is telling me that my system does not the Java needed to support the advice feature of the game.
Would someone please identify the Java program needed to support video poker? Thanks so much.

Sorry, I went off on a rant and my solution didn't address the error in your OP. Internet Explorer (IE) 8 shipped with Windows 7. IE8 is no longer supported and lacks several common Javascript functions programs use these days. If you are using IE8, or any IE version other than the latest one, try upgrading to IE11. The TypeError you posted is typical when the program coded uses a function that isn't supported by the Javascript edition in use. Microsoft bundles their own Javascript product with IE, so upgrading IE will get you a newer version of Javascript that might solve your problem. btw, once you get past the error you posted you will hit the certificate problem I posted a solution for, so if you already gave that a try you will be ahead of the game. [Note: Java and Javascript are completely separate products. The similarity of names was a marketing decision The products have virtually nothing in common.]
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August 8th, 2014 at 5:13:59 AM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

I would be honored, but why not just correct the problem by publishing the application with a trusted CA?



Would you know how to do that? Feel free to PM me if this is something you can help with. I'm happy to pay for your help.
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August 8th, 2014 at 7:54:42 AM permalink
I'm running IE11 under Windows 7. I always upgrade IE8 to IE11 first thing after installing Windows 7.
BleedingChipsSlowly's advice on Java is easy to follow and it worked exactly as he/she described.
Thanks so much for taking the time to help.

Now the advice feature of the Wizard's Video Poker is working on my system, under both IE11 and Opera.
Other games, which had not worked previously, such as NSUD Deuces Wild, are now working as well.

I agree with BleedingChipsSlowly's security suggestions, https over http. Security should be a serious issue for all of us.
I've been the victim of several infections, learned the hard way to avoid questionable sites and that regular backups are necessary,
and I've had to reinstall Windows several times because of security breaches.
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August 10th, 2014 at 3:48:46 AM permalink
I came across the problem in the OP, TypeError: Object doesn't support property of method 'IsReady', while working on a Win7/IE11 machine. Java was not installed on the machine, and installing Java fixed the OP problem. The latest development kit, version 8, will not fix the problem. If you don't develop Java apps, go with the Run Time Environment (RTE) version 7 found at Java.com. The Java applet security problem is a separate issue.
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August 10th, 2014 at 6:29:04 AM permalink
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(steps to run a Java application from the WizardOfOdds.com site)



I hesitated to do this because I had tried before, following prompts from my computer, and it didn't work. This did though. Thanks!
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August 10th, 2014 at 8:00:29 AM permalink
BleedingChipsSlowly has been kindly giving me technical advice by PM. I'm hoping to have all the games and calculators pass the security tests within a week.
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August 10th, 2014 at 8:28:54 AM permalink
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BleedingChipsSlowly has been kindly giving me technical advice by PM. I'm hoping to have all the games and calculators pass the security tests within a week.

I ave not looked on your odds site for this but do you have a random number program on your site? Something simple like

Enter a numbers 0 - 999999999:fist number____ last number_____.
Enter the amount of numbers you want Auto Generated___________.
Generate number(s) █████ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 10th, 2014 at 8:28:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

BleedingChipsSlowly has been kindly giving me technical advice by PM. I'm hoping to have all the games and calculators pass the security tests within a week.

I ave not looked on your odds site for this but do you have a random number program on your site? Something simple like

Enter a numbers 0 - 999999999:fist number____ last number_____.
Enter the amount of numbers you want Auto Generated___________.
Generate number(s) █████ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 10th, 2014 at 10:04:04 AM permalink
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I ave not looked on your odds site for this but do you have a random number program on your site? Something simple like

Enter a numbers 0 - 999999999:fist number____ last number_____.
Enter the amount of numbers you want Auto Generated___________.
Generate number(s) █████ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _



All the games obviously have an RNG but there is no application on my sites that will just give you a random number. I have seen other sites that do that. We could easily do that but you're the first to ever suggest it.
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August 10th, 2014 at 10:08:53 AM permalink
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All the games obviously have an RNG but there is no application on my sites that will just give you a random number. I have seen other sites that do that. We could easily do that but you're the first to ever suggest it.

Link? I cant see any logical reason (other then time) not to have it on your site. It seems like the perfect place. I have no doubt people would use it for various things.
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August 10th, 2014 at 10:31:12 AM permalink
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Link? I cant see any logical reason (other then time) not to have it on your site. It seems like the perfect place. I have no doubt people would use it for various things.



Such as?
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August 11th, 2014 at 11:46:33 AM permalink
Wizard, it might make sense to have a page on WOO explaining RNG's and how they are applied to slot machines or other casino games. The key would be to keep it in terms that your average visitor could understand. They sure don't need the details of Mersenne Twister. You could then add a section on that page similar to what Axel asked for where people could put in parameters and generate random numbers so they can try to understand the outcomes.
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August 19th, 2014 at 8:19:43 AM permalink
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Wizard, it might make sense to have a page on WOO explaining RNG's and how they are applied to slot machines or other casino games. The key would be to keep it in terms that your average visitor could understand. They sure don't need the details of Mersenne Twister. You could then add a section on that page similar to what Axel asked for where people could put in parameters and generate random numbers so they can try to understand the outcomes.



Good idea. However, I'd prefer to base it on an actual industry source. For example, with shuffling algorithms, how do they do it exactly? If there are any volunteers, let me know. I'm happy to honor anonymity. I've such such general questions to some industry programmers but they were fiercely protective of the information and clammed up.

In other news, I'm happy to say that I purchased a Java security certificate, which James has been putting in my Java games and calculators one by one. To work, I think you'll need the latest version of Java. Please try these three calculators and let me know what happens:

Ultimate Texas Hold ’Em Calculator

Video poker return calculator

Pai gow calculator

Thank you.
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August 19th, 2014 at 8:34:58 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Good idea. However, I'd prefer to base it on an actual industry source. For example, with shuffling algorithms, how do they do it exactly? If there are any volunteers, let me know. I'm happy to honor anonymity. I've such such general questions to some industry programmers but they were fiercely protective of the information and clammed up.

In other news, I'm happy to say that I purchased a Java security certificate, which James has been putting in my Java games and calculators one by one. To work, I think you'll need the latest version of Java. Please try these two calculators and let me know what happens:

Ultimate Texas Hold ’Em Calculator


Video poker return calculator

Thank you.



I thought my Java was up to date but apperently not as both calculators asked me to update. I declined and they both them opended properly with not error message.
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August 19th, 2014 at 9:03:27 AM permalink
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I thought my Java was up to date but apperently not as both calculators asked me to update. I declined and they both them opended properly with not error message.



Interesting. Thanks for the report.
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August 19th, 2014 at 9:39:13 AM permalink
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For example, with shuffling algorithms, how do they do it exactly?



I'm pretty sure that the Fisher-Yates (Knuth) shuffle is well documented.

The specifics of how it's used - input set is New Deck Order vs Discard Order, RNG input, number of iterations*, post-shuffle operations (cuts, burns, etc) - will vary slightly.

On a purely subjective note, Fisher-Yates shuffles "feel" different than riffle-based shuffles, probably because riffles aren't a particularly good shuffle as far as randomization goes.




*Number of iterations should be one, and that shouldn't be a problem with a good RNG. With a good RNG, there should be no danger of the "double ROT13" problem, either.
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August 19th, 2014 at 9:46:14 AM permalink
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Link? I cant see any logical reason (other then time) not to have it on your site. It seems like the perfect place. I have no doubt people would use it for various things.



Search for online random number generator yields www.random.org

If you can't do it better, why do it over?

Of course, the best part about reinventing the wheel is when you get to pick how many sides the new one has.
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August 20th, 2014 at 6:48:48 PM permalink
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... Please try these three calculators and let me know what happens:

Ultimate Texas Hold ’Em Calculator

Video poker return calculator

Pai gow calculator

Thank you.

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August 20th, 2014 at 6:58:53 PM permalink
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Search for online random number generator yields www.random.org

If you can't do it better, why do it over?

Of course, the best part about reinventing the wheel is when you get to pick how many sides the new one has.

I was just going to let this pass, but since Dieter mentioned Random.org i'll chime in. I don't think this site should provide random numbers as a function. Random.org has truly random sequences if you want them. Hell, they even have dice simulator tied to truly random. Any spreadsheet will generate pseudo-random sequences that satisfy a chi-square test. My freakin' iPhone calculator will give me on-the-spot random numbers if I need them. Any scripting or programming language generate random numbers. How the pseudo-random numbers of an RNG are used for modern gambling equipment would be of interest. Generating them for use is not a good use of this site's resources.
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