Going on tilt and losing / regaining heart (seeking a good read)

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Well now. DMSCR, 'twas a while back when you started in on something, something that caught my attention. I said I'd have to go back and figure out who/what you were. I did that.

"Sucks Monkey Balls ", at one time was perfectly allowable here but I'm not sure it still is. I did notice a large number of posts by you that were what I would consider to be wayyyyy over the line that has been drawn. Do not misunderstand, I enjoyed them all. Sharp, witty, with a vast trove of info on other member's posts, both here and on other Forums. But I marveled at how you were in the middle of, and often not particularly nice in, heated discussions that wound up with others being suspended and/or banned.

You do not have to respond of course, but I got a simple question for you from me. What are you trying to accomplish by jumping in and out of the daily discussion here? There is no right or wrong answer, I'm just wondering.

Cheers maybe, 2F

Now while you are at it please also blame me for the Challenger disaster and Mickey D's eliminating their Dollar Menu!

I never get anyone suspended/banned. Not my intention. Those that get banned did it to themselves. And for egalite getting banned, he is banned in every forum he steps into where there is moderation. I think that is the only individual that is banned interacting with yours truly. Unless you count all his screen names in here to circumvent his ban then yes I got "lots of people" banned. LOL.

Sometimes I see something interesting to respond to. Then I respond. As for how other react to what I am responding to I have no control over nor do I want to. They can be positive or negative. Or both at the same time which I find ingenious! No matter. The show must go on. And on and on and on......

Also Full House is making a come back so please don't ruin this happy glory moment for me.

Quote: lovebacgame

Of course we are all friends here. I like that you can call me LBG.

What about LGB?

War is easier imo

Hello to everyone here. Is anyone here have a few tips on how to play baccarat and win consistently? I like the game but I always win $100 this week than give it all back and more the next week. It kind of frustration because the game is so simple yet very difficult to win. Please help and thank you in advance.

LBG

Quote: lovebacgame

Hello to everyone here. Is anyone here have a few tips on how to play baccarat and win consistently? I like the game but I always win $100 this week than give it all back and more the next week. It kind of frustration because the game is so simple yet very difficult to win. Please help and thank you in advance.

LBG

Flat bet Banker like it's going out of style.

Quote: lovebacgame

Hello to everyone here. Is anyone here have a few tips on how to play baccarat and win consistently? I like the game but I always win $100 this week than give it all back and more the next week. It kind of frustration because the game is so simple yet very difficult to win. Please help and thank you in advance.

LBG

Got to find yourself a magic monkey

I myself wait for the entire table to have huge bets all on banker and then I bet small on the player and it seems to work

Another method you might try it to wait until you get a repeating pattern and then after you see four bankers in a row with at least one of those a natural nine along with a player total of either 4 or 5 comprised of strictly red cards - bet the tie the following hand and then cash out- go home and repeat each day as the cards need time to rest

Yes I did that one time. The whole table all bet on banker a lot of table max bet. I bet player. Everyone at the table gave me a dirty look. One guy decided to buy my bet out. I won before the card even drawn. And you know what player win that hand not banker. Thanks

Quote: lovebacgame

Hello to everyone here. Is anyone here have a few tips on how to play baccarat and win consistently? I like the game but I always win $100 this week than give it all back and more the next week. It kind of frustration because the game is so simple yet very difficult to win. Please help and thank you in advance.

LBG

If you want my advice, Peter," he said at last, "you've made a mistake already. By asking me. By asking anyone. Never ask people. Not about your work. Don't you know what you want? How can you stand it, not to know?" - Howard Roark

This might sound cryptic but here goes. Baccarat systems or any other gambling systems NEVER work out in the long run. Yet if you discover/develop a PLATFORM then you have a fighting chance.

HOW TO WIN

1. Be Asian

2. Don't not be Asian

3. ????

4. Profit

Source: I am Asian

3. Be the Minority because the Majority doesn't cut it.

Hello DMSCR. May I ask what game are you most playing and how you play them? I know that you don't play systems. I just want to have fun but don't want to lose my B.R. at the same time. Hope you share your opinion with us. Thanks. LBG.

Quote: lovebacgame

I just want to have fun

Being at the tables is NEVER about fun. If you want fun than dine at the restaurants and if it is your cup of tea, the clubs. When you wager money you better take the fun out of the equation.

Quote: lovebacgame

how you play them?

That is your second problem. Asking people to do the work for you. Getting something for nothing. Is not going to cut it. Unless you go and figure things out yourself which is not going to be easy, you are going to come out defeated.


Piece of advice for you. Stay out of the casinos unless you are serious or else you are just flushing money down the toilet like the majority of the folks come out with nothing but sad exciting stories and empty wallets.

Unless you are some multi-millionaire with an ongoing positive cash flow the tables are not meant to be fun because they will bring out the worst out of you real fast and it is downhill from there.

My response is harsh well because it has to be. All these games that casinos throw at you is to pry and exploit the ugliness that is within us all. The money the casino extract from you is the quantifiable measure of that ugliness. If you are able to understand that ugliness maybe just maybe you have a fighting chance and not be one of many poor souls who doesn't know what is coming until it is too late.

Thank you DMSCR for response and very good advice. I am still wonder are you playing any casino games and how are you doing so far? Just curious! You response are very true and I am thank you for that. LBG.

Baccarat is my only game apparently. BJ has been ruined. Poker is an absolute time suck and you have to deal with other potentially crappy people. And there are tons of crappy people in the poker circuit. Machines don't appeal to me at all. Bac in some strange way fits me very well. Well in Vegas it does because of its very liberal conditions.

My baccarat game is very very boring. Not exciting to watch at all. If you play with me you would actually be absolutely pissed. It is about doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again day in and day out. There are slightly different variations but still the same ol same ol over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

If you get annoyed by that paragraph above that is my baccarat game. LOL. Yeeeeee-haaaawwww!!!!!

Hey dmcsr- just curious what are the favorable conditions of bac in Vegas that aren't in other states ?

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Hey dmcsr- just curious what are the favorable conditions of bac in Vegas that aren't in other states ?

1. Allows you to record the shoe. In some casinos in Macau you are not allowed to record the shoe and must depend on the electronic board. Luckily in the U.S. every casino allows you to write things down.
2. Many many casinos throughout the Strip. Tons of tables. And many of them are empty which leads to #3.
3. There are many instances throughout the day you can play by yourself. Unless there is some convention(s).
4. Most importantly..... UNLIMITED FREE HANDS! Or at least they allow you to spread bet to move the shoe.

Or #5. I can head to the Palazzo and play $5 quasi-electronic bac all day long. Ha ha.

Quote: DMSCR

1. Allows you to record the shoe. In some casinos in Macau you are not allowed to record the shoe and must depend on the electronic board. Luckily in the U.S. every casino allows you to write things down.
2. Many many casinos throughout the Strip. Tons of tables. And many of them are empty which leads to #3.
3. There are many instances throughout the day you can play by yourself. Unless there is some convention(s).
4. Most importantly..... UNLIMITED FREE HANDS! Or at least they allow you to spread bet to move the shoe.

So they will deal without a bet on the table? THAT'S what "free hand" means? Wow. I did not know anybody ever did that on any game. And they'll let you see the cards dealt, not just burn them? Wow.

That has to cost them a lot of money. A dealer's time and casino floor space for a game with no bets placed? Just wow.

Well the reason why they allow free hands is because folks throw in big money here in Vegas. Folks would throw $100... $500... even $1,000 (Bellagio, Wynncore, MGM Grand and Aria) just on those sucker side bets alone on top of their usual big bets on either Banker or Player at the same time. It is these huge bets that make up for things that is why they allow these free hands.

When I first realized this when I was in MGM Grand I was like THIS IS AWESOME. Only drawback is you are not allowed to see the burnt cards in the beginning yet in the East Coast casinos they allow you to see them. Which I don't see the purpose of knowing the burnt cards. If you find a way to do so more power to you.

Sugarhouse use to allow this FYI now they allow it but only a max of 8 hands per shoe of a total free roll - and they have markers to keep track- after the 8 you must bet the min on both banker and player to see a hand

Quote: beachbumbabs

So they will deal without a bet on the table? THAT'S what "free hand" means? Wow. I did not know anybody ever did that on any game. And they'll let you see the cards dealt, not just burn them? Wow.

That has to cost them a lot of money. A dealer's time and casino floor space for a game with no bets placed? Just wow.

That DMSCR guy has a turbid history in posts. I think I would like to buy him a drink, or dinner, or something, and pick his brain. Might be a good investment, might not, but I'm on a pretty short leash at the moment so I'm just dreamin out loud.

BABBs, headed for MCO/Daytona/Cocoa in early June. You wanna meet a true Rascal? Note: depending on meet/day/time I may have wife and kids w/me ;-)

<edit> actually, they will definitely NOT be with me on the Victory....

The Encore once only allowed 5 free hands unless you are in the high limit area in 2011 when some new head guy came in to run the place. Then folks raised major hell and complained and ran over to the Wynn side when they were offering unlimited free hands. Then soon later Encore immediately brought back unlimited free hands to the low limit tables. Mandalay Bay only offers 8 free hands depending on the dealer.

Sugarhouse is NOT a bad casino at all. Even if they allow you to spread bet both sides to move the shoe. PA got some great bac action and playing conditions. Only major drawback is the patrons are ACK!

The Borgata in 2012 gave me major hell for this. First I asked if they allow free hands they gave me a F-U kind of no. LOL. Okay. Then I was like "Can I spread bet then?" The supervisor at the moment hee-hawed gave me some piker response on how I will be rated and I was like okay knock yourself out and do what you want to do. Don't care about the rating. Two hours later came back to the same table but with a different staff. The dealer stopped the game quarter of the way and called up the supervisor. Supervisor gave me an attitude and then she made a phone call. A few minutes later some heavy set dude in a suit with three security guards showed up and stated I can't play at the Borgata and must vacate the table. All of this for $120 of profit. My first ever back off. And not for winning big either! Just because I was spread betting the shoe.

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

That DMSCR guy has a turbid history in posts. I think I would like to buy him a drink, or dinner, or something, and pick his brain. Might be a good investment, might not, but I'm on a pretty short leash at the moment so I'm just dreamin out loud.

Mulder and Scully are finally back. There is no way you can ruin it for me.

Yeah that DMSCR is such a butt scratch.

***It would be really funny if I get banned for name calling myself.***

Would be a major first in here. Yeah how about them apples!

You spread bet the shoe? Rookie...
Joke, only a joke.. (See winky grin ;-)

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Rookie...

That is Wookie to you. You need to do your due diligence.

Quote: DMSCR

That is Wookie to you. You need to do your due diligence.

Yessah massah!
Grasshopper will do better then...

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

That DMSCR guy has a turbid history in posts. I think I would like to buy him a drink, or dinner, or something, and pick his brain. Might be a good investment, might not, but I'm on a pretty short leash at the moment so I'm just dreamin out loud.

BABBs, headed for MCO/Daytona/Cocoa in early June. You wanna meet a true Rascal? Note: depending on meet/day/time I may have wife and kids w/me ;-)

<edit> actually, they will definitely NOT be with me on the Victory....

DMSCR is pretty wired in. If he agrees to meet you, it would probably be worth the effort.

As for me, yeah, let me know when you're coming down via PM, we can go play. Might be others around who would show, too.

Drive across the state for a venue that has no Mississippi Stud? Shirley you jest!

Quote: DeMango

Drive across the state for a venue that has no Mississippi Stud? Shirley you jest!

I could not care less about Miss Stud...and don't call me Shirley. :) Not that you were talking to me...I just loved the movie.

Guess I picked a bad time to stop sniffing glue.

Thanks DMSCR here in the North West they do allows same things unlimited free hands if nobody betting. They also let you see the burn cards. DMSCR how long has you been playing bac game? Are you in the positive side? I am been playing bac for 2 years on and off because my job I travel a lot around the country. When I'm home I spend a lot of time playing bac. I try to use money management in my strategy seem to work out so far. I use 1, 3, 4, 6 strategy but it didn't work out. Still searching for the optimum strategies so I can survive longer playing bac game. LBG.

Quote: lovebacgame

Thanks DMSCR here in the North West they do allows same things unlimited free hands if nobody betting. They also let you see the burn cards. DMSCR how long has you been playing bac game? Are you in the positive side? I am been playing bac for 2 years on and off because my job I travel a lot around the country. When I'm home I spend a lot of time playing bac. I try to use money management in my strategy seem to work out so far. I use 1, 3, 4, 6 strategy but it didn't work out. Still searching for the optimum strategies so I can survive longer playing bac game. LBG.

Thank you very much for that free hand information! I am always looking for casino destinations that allow this. Positive side? If you mean money aspect wise then hmmm.... I can make rent and cover my expenses and maintain my lifestyle. I live below my means so that is not much of an issue. Plus I don't need too much stuff. Bac gives me the freedom to learn how to code so I can free lance. So if one day that -EV comes on knocking and takes me out of the running I have other things to fall back on. Also bac gives me the free time to take parkour lessons. LOL. Yet one's P/L is not a great indicator of success. It is having a consistent qualitative P/L that will define your survival. Winning $1,000 after multiple buy-ins and playing for some +10 hours is not sustainable. Yet winning $600 - $900 with the same starting bankroll after playing 3 or 4 shoes for 4 hours consistently is what matters. So it is not the amount you won but how you won it. Took me years of my own struggles on and off the tables to internalize this.

Well I discovered bac around 2006/2007 by accident which is a story all on its very own. Didn't wager a single hand until August of 2008 when I was visiting Montreal. Was a total disaster. Lost $80. Not because the money lost but because of why and how. I realized I hate playing with other people and folks were piggy backing on my spot. Plus I was a real noob where the dealer didn't calculate the commission. You have to do it yourself which was a nightmare in a logistic sense where you have to place another chip down to cover the commission on Banker. I keep forgetting to do that so that slowed up the game somewhat. That alone attracted all the greedy crackpots piggy backing my spot. I had that newbie sign on my back and on my forehead. LOL.

Second attempt which was at Resorts in AC a month later. Lost another $80. More newbie mistakes. I keep taking back my chip when I won instead of waiting until I got paid out. Wadda way to start the path huh? Well at least I didn't have to calculate my own commissions. LOL. Very discouraging. Don't fret mind you. There is one thing about life and passion I have discovered when discovering baccarat. Your passion is not by the wins but by its defeats. If you don't believe me ask this to all those successful traders and day traders out there. Those early defeats were a great drive. As Trump said, "When you lose a battle you find new way(s) to win the war!" And new ways I found did I ever.

I will write more when my brain is in sync. It is 7:22 AM right now here in Vegas. Been at the Encore since 3:15 AM at the tables. Heading to Terrace Pointe Cafe for breakfast since Allegro is closed at the moment.

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Sugarhouse use to allow this FYI now they allow it but only a max of 8 hands per shoe of a total free roll - and they have markers to keep track- after the 8 you must bet the min on both banker and player to see a hand

Funny story about this. I was watching the high limit bacc table at Motor City Casino in Detroit, and one guy was playing. To see a free hand, he would bet $100 on banker and player. But it was a $50 minimum table! He could have been betting $50 each side, or, even better, $25 each side if they would have let him. He was guaranteeing $5 to the house every banker win.

I asked his friend why he didn't bet less, and he said, "He has lost so much, $5 means nothing to him." Great answer.

Thank you DMSCR for the response. I'm very much enjoy reading your posts. Thanlk you again. LBG.

P.S. I'm very happy for you that you're success at playing Bac game. Hope i will do the same soon.

Quote: lovebacgame

Hope i will do the same soon.

Here is a helpful tip I hope you find useful.

Get a computer program and/or app where it mimics an actual eight deck and practice the hell out of it. After a while something should register with you. The program here on this site is one. There are a few out there for Android and iOS. The ones that you can use on an iPhone or Android make sure you can play it offline as well.

Quote: DMSCR

Here is a helpful tip I hope you find useful.

Get a computer program and/or app where it mimics an actual eight deck and practice the hell out of it. After a while something should register with you. The program here on this site is one. There are a few out there for Android and iOS. The ones that you can use on an iPhone or Android make sure you can play it offline as well.

Mumbo Jumbo, the secrets to Bac lie in the latest software releases from the Internet companies? I'll go back (Bac) and read again. I missed something ,-!

Quote: DMSCR

Here is a helpful tip I hope you find useful.

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Or stop playing altogether.

Quote: AxelWolf

Or stop playing altogether.

For that 95% wait 98% that is the BEST advice of them all. You know Uncle Axie since you care so much about the well being of baccarat players losing their shirts maybe you should be a true humanitarian and pop up and stop by at all the casinos on the Strip and initiate a blockade to make sure the folks don't show up and throw their money away. Maybe you should make this a part of the next WOV get together. This would be like a WOV group effort to truly take on the casinos and really bring down the house.

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Mumbo Jumbo, the secrets to Bac lie in the latest software releases from the Internet companies? I'll go back (Bac) and read again. I missed something ,-!

Nope. My point being is to find a software where it simulates an ACTUAL six/seven/eight deck of cards. If you find that as some super duper next generation stealth fighter secret I just don't know what to say. Undiscovered country at its very finest. Honestly most folks ain't gonna do jack anyways. The farthest they would go is download the app and let it sit there on their phone. Or visit the bac program on this site and fiddle/play around with it for a few minutes and let it be that.

Thank you DMSCR will do. Give me 30 days see how things go. I think I also need to practice on money management side also.

30 days? You need about eight months minimum and that is no guarantee. Along the way most would give up and go around the web looking/asking for solutions. An easy way out. Most cases you end up with rehashed same old crap in different form with probably different authors. Genuine or not. Here is what when you are ready and survive the onslaught. If the casino allows unlimited free hands or at least spread bet the shoe. Most favorable condition also is if you can play alone majority of the time. Majority of the baccarat gamblers are crappy people and most likely slow and ruin the game. At the end result you have not lost your bankroll and do not need to throw in a few buy-ins and you find this game extremely boring. Then you know you are ready. There is NO excitement anymore. The excitement comes in the trip and journey itself showing up at the casino and enjoying the restaurants and other things the place has to offer. Then you are ready to wager real money.

If you are able to find something that personally works for you then that is great. Really I hope so since I have seen so much heart break with the majority of the folks at the tables there is no point to defend this game. Personally I should be somewhat "glad." It keeps the status quo in terms of logistics and how the game is run at the moment. Plus if someone is able to crack this game I really hope they keep their mouth shut and not publicly disclose it on the level of how Thorpe did to blackjack. Or what Brunson did to poker. The last thing this game needs is skeptics becoming believers. Let Skully remain Skully and not convert into another Mulder. I say baccarat needs more AxelWolfs, Twofeathers and many others that is in here to be the indirect gatekeepers "protecting" this game.

Or throughout this journey you can also realize you don't like this game at all and let things go and slide and pursue something else. That can also happen.

The grasshopper tentatively raises his hand....
Then changed his mind, this Bac thing scared him....

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

The grasshopper tentatively raises his hand....
Then changed his mind, this Bac thing scared him....

I say better stick to ROCK PAPER SCISSORS SPOCK LIZARD.

It would bring out the Sheldon Cooper within you.

Quote: DMSCR

I say better stick to ROCK PAPER SCISSORS SPOCK LIZARD.

It would bring out the Sheldon Cooper within you.

I would love to bring out all the Sheldon Cooper in me, all at once. Then I could shoot it, all at once. But you did lose me with the SPOCK LIZARD thing. You should go play with the big boys, no fun here for you...

http://bigbangtheory.wikia.com/wiki/Rock_Paper_Scissors_Lizard_Spock

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

You should go play with the big boys, no fun here for you...

Definitely no fun with what I have witnessed this morning at the Encore. The big boys with their big egos have no place at the bac tables. Hope those guys wasn't playing on credit.

So no keep the big boys away from me. I much prefer no one around. Except for the dealer and the supervisor. And the eye candy waitress.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

http://bigbangtheory.wikia.com/wiki/Rock_Paper_Scissors_Lizard_Spock

I should have known, but then I have never watched an episode of the Big Bang Theory. I know it has been popular, but somehow it just never grabbed me. Thx / IBYA, it's hard keeping up with all the minutiae. Seriously, thx.
How the hell do you say thanks without it looking sarcastic, especially if you are mostly sarcastic, most of the time? I do hereby decree that I have sent a simple thank you to IBYA, and that I did so with no underlying smartass intent. There, done.

You didn't believe me did you?

I give up, it's hopeless.

One more time, just a simple thanks.
Now I gonna go kick that Bac guy's ass, figuratively of course....

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Now I gonna go kick that Bac guy's ass, figuratively of course....

It's a flock of Euro trash tourists with crappy attitudes.

You will be doing the human gene pool a favor if you would actually pull this off. Hey why not bring Uncle Axie along with you. You will have back up so it wouldn't be figuratively anymore.

Oh one more thing. Please make sure IBYA continues to despise the game of bac like he has always been. Don't want him joining the fray. Yet I wouldn't be so worried but ya neva know ya know.

Oh there is one way to make some good money in bac if you have a really large bankroll. Here is how. With Boston out of the way looks like Wynn is going to get his gambling joint to be built after all but there are a few more environmental permit hurdles to resolve. Once those permits are obtained it is full speed ahead for Wynn Everett. So if one is going to purchase some real estate in Everett or the surrounding Boston area you will probably make out pretty well down the line. If it is an investment property where passive income is generated you also hit another jackpot. BAM.

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

I should have known, but then I have never watched an episode of the Big Bang Theory. I know it has been popular, but somehow it just never grabbed me. Thx / IBYA, it's hard keeping up with all the minutiae. Seriously, thx.
How the hell do you say thanks without it looking sarcastic, especially if you are mostly sarcastic, most of the time? I do hereby decree that I have sent a simple thank you to IBYA, and that I did so with no underlying smartass intent. There, done.

You didn't believe me did you?

I give up, it's hopeless.

One more time, just a simple thanks.
Now I gonna go kick that Bac guy's ass, figuratively of course....

Hi 2F. I am here to make friends and I just want to learn how to play bac better that all. Peace!

Quote: lovebacgame

Hi 2F. I am here to make friends and I just want to learn how to play bac better that all. Peace!

Then learn to count like a computer bet 2k a hand and after 200 hands you can earn about $7 in EV.

Other than that, or some type of shenanigans you can learn to be the best baccarat player in the world by learning 2 words in just 1 second. For the low low cost of $199 I'll teach you. For an additional $99 I'll tech you the best money management system ever devised.

Act now and I'll toss in a monkey charm.

Quote: AxelWolf

Act now and I'll toss in a monkey charm.

I prefer a touchdown Buddha