Wynn’s new protocols after reopening
Lots of interesting stuff in here.
Key takeaways:
•All guests asked to wear masks (provided by resort)
•Thermal cameras used to take everyone’s temperature at entry points, anyone with over 100 degree temp will need additional screening
•Every other table game closed
•Max of three players per table
•Max of four people in an elevator at one time
•Pretty much everything will be wiped/sanitized at least once an hour
It’s a whole new world....
Props to them for paying all their staff their income plus tips for two months.
Quote: ams288•Max of four people in an elevator at one time
It's going to be hard to maintain "social distancing" with four people in an elevator.
Hmmm...sounds like the makings of a math problem.
Quote: ams288https://www.scribd.com/document/457118495/Wlv-Health-Sanitation-Guidelines-Outline-04-18-20-v6
Lots of interesting stuff in here.
Key takeaways:
•All guests asked to wear masks (provided by resort)
•Thermal cameras used to take everyone’s temperature at entry points, anyone with over 100 degree temp will need additional screening
•Every other table game closed
•Max of three players per table
•Max of four people in an elevator at one time
•Pretty much everything will be wiped/sanitized at least once an hour
It’s a whole new world....
I'm not saying they won't do it. I'm saying it is a failed business model. In a bank of 6 tables that used to have 36 gamblers, now will only have 9?
You didn't mention it, but I'll guess there are similar restrictions for slots.
After waiting 15 minutes for an elevator, you think you are going to want to come back? Pool too crowded, no pool for you! Restaurant table.... hah!
That will ban smoking.
Nice!
I have to assume these rules will be pretty much benchmark city wide....otherwise why bother. You can't have a lone wolf casino doing whatever they want and imperiling the point of uniform rules.
Quote: TDVegasMasks....?
That will ban smoking.
Nice!
I have to assume these rules will be pretty much benchmark city wide....otherwise why bother. You can't have a lone wolf casino doing whatever they want and imperiling the point of uniform rules.
If there are not laws requiring the rules, there will be casinos opening that will flaunt common sense.
"Mask free gambling" here!
"Want to sit with your friend at a BJ table? Come here"
"We allow FIVE people in an elevator"
You're probably only going to be able to smoke if you're talking to a known prostitute 6 feet away from her.Quote: TDVegasMasks....?
That will ban smoking.
Nice!
I have to assume these rules will be pretty much benchmark city wide....otherwise why bother. You can't have a lone wolf casino doing whatever they want and imperiling the point of uniform rules.
Quote: SOOPOOI'm not saying they won't do it. I'm saying it is a failed business model. In a bank of 6 tables that used to have 36 gamblers, now will only have 9?
You didn't mention it, but I'll guess there are similar restrictions for slots.
After waiting 15 minutes for an elevator, you think you are going to want to come back? Pool too crowded, no pool for you! Restaurant table.... hah!
Its a better business model than being completely shut down. Reopening is going to be a graded approach.
The elevator thing does seem problematic. I hate being on a high floor and having to wait long times for the elevator. And if you're on a middle floor, I think the elevator will rarely have less than 4 people on it when it stops at your floor. Down elevators will fill up (with 4 people) above your floor and up elevators will fill up below your floor.
Quote: SOOPOOIf there are not laws requiring the rules, there will be casinos opening that will flaunt common sense.
"Mask free gambling" here!
"Want to sit with your friend at a BJ table? Come here"
"We allow FIVE people in an elevator"
I would assume it will fall under the same directive that enabled Sisolak to shut down everything. Effectively, his word on the subject is "law".
Quote: onenickelmiracleI think I'm getting ready to try shorting one more time. Once the general public realizes this is how reality is going to be, they're going to sell like hell. Being in a casino is going to be like being in a graveyard. They cannot possibly even make any money this way.
They have to start somewhere. They might get 10% of normal volume and lose more money staying open rather than close. Again, the same limited volume would likely happen even if they opened 9 months from now.
I assume this is going to be an evolving "guideline" situation as things ramp up, better treatments become available and or we see a total diminishing of new cases.
I applaud the effort to at least get it moving.....even if 10%.
There will be a lot of unhappy people with these new guidelines...as my old man would say "tough s***.
IMO, better to have something with restrictions rather than nothing at all.
Starting gives us benchmarks (changes back to normal) to shoot for.
Quote: SOOPOOI'm not saying they won't do it. I'm saying it is a failed business model. In a bank of 6 tables that used to have 36 gamblers, now will only have 9?
You didn't mention it, but I'll guess there are similar restrictions for slots.
After waiting 15 minutes for an elevator, you think you are going to want to come back? Pool too crowded, no pool for you! Restaurant table.... hah!
Nine people playing table games is a lot better than the zero they have right now. There are not going to be people clamoring to get on planes and go on vacation during a pandemic, right after their jobs start coming back after two months off. My guess is that with no interventions, the pools and restaurants and hotels will be fairly empty. This is just a way to try to stop the customers who do come in from spreading diseases.
Cutting tables by half should be fine since patrons will be greatly reduced when they open.
Nothing about what they’ll do for games where players touch the cards...
Quote: billryan6 x 3=18
Cutting tables by half should be fine since patrons will be greatly reduced when they open.
You missed the part about only open half of all tables. That's only 9 seats for a bank of 6 tables.
Remember, a table full of patrons, whether 3 or 6, requires a full dealer.
A bank of tables, whether 6 or 3, requires a full pit boss. The security guard at the entrance gets paid the same whether 1000 patrons enter or 250. The mortgage on the property is the same whether they have 1000 gamblers or 250. The accountant doesn't charge the casino less.
Imagine if there never was a coronavirus outbreak. And some bureaucrat decided to do what is now being proposed. You don't think there would be unanimity in the conclusion that the casinos could not survive under these rules?
Quote: SOOPOOYou missed the part about only open half of all tables. That's only 9 seats for a bank of 6 tables.
Remember, a table full of patrons, whether 3 or 6, requires a full dealer.
A bank of tables, whether 6 or 3, requires a full pit boss. The security guard at the entrance gets paid the same whether 1000 patrons enter or 250. The mortgage on the property is the same whether they have 1000 gamblers or 250. The accountant doesn't charge the casino less.
Imagine if there never was a coronavirus outbreak. And some bureaucrat decided to do what is now being proposed. You don't think there would be unanimity in the conclusion that the casinos could not survive under these rules?
Again, still more profitable than spending $3M a day on payroll while they’re closed down.
These are obviously not meant to be permanent changes. Just some initial drastic measures to be able to get the doors open again.
Quote:4. Assuming in mid- to late-May we are still in line with the benchmarks, slowly begin to reopen the Las Vegas strip with extensive safety measures in place.
5. Monitor the data every day. If we need to, marginally pull back or move forward.
Quote: SOOPOOYou missed the part about only open half of all tables. That's only 9 seats for a bank of 6 tables.
Remember, a table full of patrons, whether 3 or 6, requires a full dealer.
A bank of tables, whether 6 or 3, requires a full pit boss. The security guard at the entrance gets paid the same whether 1000 patrons enter or 250. The mortgage on the property is the same whether they have 1000 gamblers or 250. The accountant doesn't charge the casino less.
Imagine if there never was a coronavirus outbreak. And some bureaucrat decided to do what is now being proposed. You don't think there would be unanimity in the conclusion that the casinos could not survive under these rules?
I did miss the tables being halved, as well as the seats. I wonder if it would be cheaper to enclose each machine in its own pod. That way you don't need lose half your machines. Put two or three former valets on each bank wiping it down after every client. I would think that is a better solution than losing half of your slot revenue. It need not be fancy, just sheets of plexiglass, like glorified sneeze guard
And I know I was scoffed at when I said this before, but how hard would it be to have a card shuffler that shines UV light on the cards as they go through?
Quote: jmillsI assume more casinos are going to install stadium gaming.
And I know I was scoffed at when I said this before, but how hard would it be to have a card shuffler that shines UV light on the cards as they go through?
I assume electronic table games such as bubble craps, roulette and stadium style blackjack will be in demand. No chips. No money changing. Easy to wipe down and those games generally have spread out seating.
Quote: jmillsAnd I know I was scoffed at when I said this before, but how hard would it be to have a card shuffler that shines UV light on the cards as they go through?
Probably tougher than it sounds; based on reports that I've seen, rendering most bacteria inert is fairly quick but some viruses are far more stubborn. Some setups that can get rid of most bacteria in under a minute can take 15min+ for viruses.
There was an article I saw talking about those small UV units designed for cell phones and one claimed that to kill noro, it would take about three hours based on their listed specs.
Having said that, I don't think there's really any detriment, so why not? ...Outside of extra casino costs, and the bloody shuffler breaking every 5 minutes, as opposed to 10.
Might be a perfect set-up for counters, wish I had the money and knowledge. Observing the table won't seem weird. Too bad for you know who, they're going to have the games rigged or did he land by now?Quote: NicksGamingStuffI read something about $25-50 minimums. Will probably end live table games for anyone but the high rollers. I guess $5-10 budgets will have to make do with the video gambling.
Quote: VegasriderI don’t see anything about the poker room.
Would make sense they might not even have tables open. Idk.
They're probably hoping after a few weeks they can change of course.Quote: EvenBobEvery other table shut down and only three players per table? where are the 150 people waiting to play on those tables supposed to wait at. Will they have a special room where everybody has to stand six feet apart? do they all have to wait outdoors until a space on a table opens up? The whole idea is ridiculous. Roulette will lose money per hour with only three people playing.
Quote: EvenBobEvery other table shut down and only three players per table? where are the 150 people waiting to play on those tables supposed to wait at. Will they have a special room where everybody has to stand six feet apart? do they all have to wait outdoors until a space on a table opens up? The whole idea is ridiculous. Roulette will lose money per hour with only three people playing.
They will just up the minimum bets. That will shorten the list. Most will go broke in matter of minutes.
Quote: ams288https://www.scribd.com/document/457118495/Wlv-Health-Sanitation-Guidelines-Outline-04-18-20-v6
Lots of interesting stuff in here.
Key takeaways:
•All guests asked to wear masks (provided by resort)
•Thermal cameras used to take everyone’s temperature at entry points, anyone with over 100 degree temp will need additional screening
•Every other table game closed
•Max of three players per table
•Max of four people in an elevator at one time
•Pretty much everything will be wiped/sanitized at least once an hour
It’s a whole new world....
I hope the thermal imaging protocol stays in place as a permanent security fixture.
Casinos should have a duty to guard the health of their guests and should constantly screen and keeping tabs on temperature is a good general screening process.
Quote: GandlerI hope the thermal imaging protocol stays in place as a permanent security fixture.
Casinos should have a duty to guard the health of their guests and should constantly screen and keeping tabs on temperature is a good general screening process.
There are kinds of things which can cause an elevated temp, some people can run hot as well if I'm not mistaken. You could have strep throat, tooth ache, AIDS, who knows.
Quote: VegasriderThey will just up the minimum bets.
Unless the min bet is $100
in roulette, and it won't be,
they still won't make a
profit. Roulette is a grind
it out game, lots of people
reinvesting their winnings over
a period of time. Three players
just won't cut it.
Quote: GandlerI hope the thermal imaging protocol stays in place as a permanent security fixture.
Casinos should have a duty to guard the health of their guests and should constantly screen and keeping tabs on temperature is a good general screening process. [/q
What do you do when 400 trade reps show up for their trade show during flu season?The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
Once installed temperature and sanitising stations will probably remain, what will change will be the operational parameters, so soon 100 degrees will be fine and so will 101, then eventually the whole devic becomes sort of a museum piece.Quote: GandlerI hope the thermal imaging protocol stays in place as a permanent security fixture.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffI read something about $25-50 minimums. Will probably end live table games for anyone but the high rollers. I guess $5-10 budgets will have to make do with the video gambling.
$25-50 mins are the norm at the Wynn.
Quote: VegasriderI don’t see anything about the poker room.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThere are kinds of things which can cause an elevated temp, some people can run hot as well if I'm not mistaken. You could have strep throat, tooth ache, AIDS, who knows.
Yes, many things, almost all of which should stop a person from coming to a casino where they will be in close proximity to others.
Don't catch that tooth infection, pretty smart.Quote: GandlerYes, many things, almost all of which should stop a person from coming to a casino where they will be in close proximity to others.
Quote: onenickelmiracleDon't catch that tooth infection, pretty smart.
If you have an abscess you will be in so much pain you will not want to go to the casino. (Not to mention you should go to the dentist ASAP).
But, many factors that cause increased temperature are contagious, and even if they are not, stopping sick people (who would probably only go to a casino in such a condition if they have gambling issues) from going to a casino is generally speaking a good idea even if it is not contagious.
When testing first started, they said get tested if your temperature was greater than 100.4. There are some people, mostly the elderly, that are febrile at a number WAY lower than that. If their temperature is 100, they might be sick as a dog.
The problem is politicians will feel they have to do something. Even if it makes no sense.....
Quote: SOOPOODoctor here..... the temperature thing is SILLY!!!! First of all, most COVID carriers will be afebrile (without fever). The first few days of infection you can still transmit it but won't have ANY symptoms. My brother in law had it. For a few days he did have a fever..... when he woke up.... but he took a few tylenol and the fever went away...... will he be put through a lie detector exam asking him if he had a fever but masked it with tylenol? Puleeeaaassseee!!!!
When testing first started, they said get tested if your temperature was greater than 100.4. There are some people, mostly the elderly, that are febrile at a number WAY lower than that. If their temperature is 100, they might be sick as a dog.
The problem is politicians will feel they have to do something. Even if it makes no sense.....
It’s all a crock of crapola. So they are going to do temperature checks, they are going to create a “clean” environment. They are going to try and run the place like an ICU.
All welcome stuff to some degree, I guess.
Then....”continue to vape, smoke and drop ashes all over the casino floor, tables, slots....
The hypocrisy is monumental. There isn’t a desire for a safe environment. It’s all window dressing and the view is still going to be rife with a big problem that the casino bosses don’t want to talk about. Infected air. The word “clean ashtrays on a regular basis” isn’t even in their write up.
Do what they want....just don’t couch it to me “we are taking stringent precautions”.
Deny a slight temperature in 100+ degrees days...but allow smoky smokerson have the run of the place? Pffft.
It’s a farce. They know it.
Quote: mcallister3200LMFAO at tables supervisors sanitizing chair and rail after every single player leaves and every dealer sanitizing on/off buttons. It’s not going to happen, as much as players move they would be spending the majority of their shift doing that, put on a cleaning uniform instead of a suit.
Was this in the section regarding poker?
If so, players don't move that often.
Quote: mcallister3200LMFAO at tables supervisors sanitizing chair and rail after every single player leaves and every dealer sanitizing on/off buttons. It’s not going to happen, as much as players move they would be spending the majority of their shift doing that, put on a cleaning uniform instead of a suit.
Y'all are way hung up on the petty stuff. How much sanitizing do you think a chair needs? 1 Spray and 1 wipe.
Also just because it says person XYZ will do this doesn't mean they can't change that to a cleaning person or different role.
Quote: BTLWIY'all are way hung up on the petty stuff. How much sanitizing do you think a chair needs? 1 Spray and 1 wipe.
Also just because it says person XYZ will do this doesn't mean they can't change that to a cleaning person or different role.
I’m not hung up on it at all I really don’t care. Just pointing out they’re just not going to actually be doing what they say they will if you understand how majority of floor people work. The amount of time ash trays and empty unattended drinks generally sit there is an indicator. Majority of them who aren’t gung ho on trying to move up into middle management the entire motivation tree for what they do is either to 1. Avoid blame. 2. Avoid work.
Quote: alan.mendelsonWas this in the section regarding poker?
If so, players don't move that often.
Table games.
