Trying to get details from her to post here. Have to search My Vegas on facebook and go from there.
Quote: GHThey get to know who you are :)
That is one catch. But from what I have read here, http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82489 it is pretty legit. I have to warn you, it is a major timesuck though. I unfortunately have no life now, so I've been doing it. Also in the linked thread, certain betting patterns are better for earning "loyalty points" than others. Mainly betting 10X line bet on most games until you reach Level 58. Yes, I said Level 58, and that's where I am at right now. It took over 7 weeks of mindlessly auto-spinning and clicking on bonus games when you get them (I usually play "Lucky Birds", it's one of the easier ones to set and forget). And another tip, try to complete building each property at particular times of day. Once you complete a property a permanent clock begins where you can collect game chips or loyalty points from each property. It goes as follows:
Monte Carlo, Circus Circus, and NYNY: 2 hour window
Mirage, Bellagio, Excalibur: 4 hour window
Luxor, Aria, Mandalay Bay: 6 hour window
MGM Grand: 8 hour window
So one of the more efficient things you can do is complete all the properties that are 6 hours or less around the same time in the day, so you can collect all of these properties every 12 hours, twice! Why twice? Because when a property is "due" you have the same amount of hours to collect the current amount of chips. So if you build the Aria at 8:30PM for example, you can collect chips or loyalty points 4 times a day: 8:30P, 2:30A, 8:30A, 2:30P. So ideally you start playing the game at 8:25P, so you can collect the 2:30P award, and then 5 minutes later, you'll be able to collect the 8:30P award. And of course correlate building the MGM Grand with the time you are most likely to be playing the game along with your other properties, then you'll be able to easily collect that 2X a day as well.
I currently have 97k in loyalty points which means I could stay 2 nights (Sunday-Thursday) in a Mirage suite that is ~1000 sq. ft. for free (full retail value $700+). Recently, they usually offer rooms at discounted loyalty point rates for specific time frames in the next few weeks. So next Vegas trip, I likely book one of those, and then call CET (who I normally stay with thanks to the "Race to Rewards") to adjust my reservation accordingly. The available rewards are limited and are apparently reset at Midnight PST. So if there is something really popular, you need to get it then. The rate of "rewards" you could earn, I might value them at a few bucks an hour if you use them wisely and can keep the game constantly spinning at 10X line bet.
I basically collect 50k chips from other people's feeds each day and leave spins going at the most efficient chip:point rate, checking every once in a while if it's hung up on a bonus. I also use it as a "teaching tool" for slots: Pretty much the only way you'll ever be able to keep playing is with regular infusions of outside money...
For instance, at level 100 (my current level):
Playing blackjack at 6,000 credits requires 124,172 credits wagered to gain 10 loyalty points and 62,086 experience points. (I do know the exact accumulation rate, I just won't tell you how I got it)
Playing Excalibur at 6,000 credits requires 20,695 credits wagered to gain 10 loyalty points and 20,695 experience points.
Also, the less you bet, the higher the accumulation rates per credit wagered.
Playing Bet the Farm at 34 credits per spin requires 4146 credits wagered to gain 10 loyalty points and 4146 experience points. This is the best slot wager in the game, but it will take FOREVER to gain levels when you get higher up.
I have also done the math for 2 of the slot games: Excalibur and NYNY. The return on both of the games is 92% and I suspect that the return on the other slot games is also 92%.
If you are a new player, I recommend joining the group MyVegas Friends on facebook and going to the chip feed link, where you'll be able to collect about 40,000 credits within about 20 minutes of clicking on links.
When you have bonus games with differing values of credits available, how are you estimating the probabilities of the differing bonus game boards occur? Record all the bonus games and analyze the data you find? I also know that in NYNY, the lower left moneybag in the "Downtown Bonus" is never a collect. And what is the probability of unlocking the safe in that bonus? It seems greater than one-third to me, so I'm guessing that 2 numbers open the safe, maybe?
All bonus games are pre-determined. Before you ever select a safe number, the game knows whether you are going to open the safe or not. I didn't spend a lot of time collecting bonus info for this game, but in my sample, I opened the safe 35 out of 45 times. To estimate the bonus pay, I just averaged the pay awarded for the 45 bonuses.
For the uptown bonus, I won 35/53 times.
The reason I decided to stop collecting info is because the averages that I got put the game right at 92%, which is what I expected.
I forgot, I also analyzed Lost in Time, and I got a return of about 91.5%. But, in Lost in Time, there are a lot more unknowns, such as how many free games, on average, are awarded for finding the items in the bonus. Also, the time machine numbers at the bottom do not have a 1 in 10 chance of matching. I suspect if I collect more data, I'll find that the return is 92%.
Quote: CrystalMathOK, here are some dirty little myVegas secrets:
All bonus games are pre-determined. Before you ever select a safe number, the game knows whether you are going to open the safe or not. I didn't spend a lot of time collecting bonus info for this game, but in my sample, I opened the safe 35 out of 45 times. To estimate the bonus pay, I just averaged the pay awarded for the 45 bonuses.
For the uptown bonus, I won 35/53 times.
Fair enough, but I'm guessing if you ran good or bad on these bonuses, it could change your overall return result by a few percentage points? The fact you got ~90% on multiple games probably means the "quick and dirty" method of bonus analysis is good enough this purpose.
About how many reel symbols did you find in some of these games? For Excalibur and NYNY, it might be 50 or less per reel, but I would assume other games may have more. And how many spins did you end up sampling on them? Some games like IGT's Texas Tea and Texas Tina (via PC game), I have been able to get reliable results within 500 spins since they had ~50 symbols or less per reel.
Has anyone actually cashed in points for rewards? Any hassles or issues redeeming them?
Quote: tringlomaneFair enough, but I'm guessing if you ran good or bad on these bonuses, it could change your overall return result by a few percentage points? The fact you got ~90% on multiple games probably means the "quick and dirty" method of bonus analysis is good enough this purpose.
About how many reel symbols did you find in some of these games? For Excalibur and NYNY, it might be 50 or less per reel, but I would assume other games may have more. And how many spins did you end up sampling on them? Some games like IGT's Texas Tea and Texas Tina (via PC game), I have been able to get reliable results within 500 spins since they had ~50 symbols or less per reel.
Excalibur: 43, 68, 60, 42, 42
The free spin reels in Excalibur have the same length, but they are different reels.
NYNY base game: 43, 66, 57, 127, 42
NYNY free spins have identical reels as base game.
Lost in Time: 64, 64, 64, 64, 64 - there is a special stacked symbol on these reels which gets replaced randomly with one of the symbols from the game. So, the reels could appear to be much larger, but when you play, you will notice that only one type of symbol is stacked in each spin.
The bonus reels in Lost in Time have the same length, but they are different reels than the base game.
PM on the way about the number of games it took.
Quote: AlembertWith responses that indicate that many of you are playing this game, it seems that it may very well be worth the time investment.
Has anyone actually cashed in points for rewards? Any hassles or issues redeeming them?
It's mind numbing, but if you have the time, go for it.
I haven't redeemed any awards, but I've read about other people redeeming awards, and I haven't heard of any complaints. Also, some people have gotten refunds of their purchases when a show isn't available during their trip.
Quote: SOOPOOCome on guys, this is a gambling website.... What is the EV of playing these games? $5 an hour? $10? More?
Maybe $0.50 ... maybe
Quote: CrystalMathMaybe $0.50 ... maybe
LOL!!!! So stay on line 10 hours a day for 5 straight days and 'earn' a free buffet? Wow!
Quote: SOOPOOLOL!!!! So stay on line 10 hours a day for 5 straight days and 'earn' a free buffet? Wow!
I feel like I am doing "better" than $0.50/hr, but I have a bad habit of not paying attention to the game, and I really dunno how many hours I have logged on it. I just set the slot machine on autospin and click bonus games when needed. It is definitely not a big comp generating game though, but it's reasonable for something that costs nothing to play.
Quote: VenthusLooks like they just changed some of the conditions today-- somebody in one of the groups I'm in for it said "So rewards are limited to three a month now."
Booooooooooooo. I might have to indulge on more expensive rewards then whenever I get to redeem them.
Quote: tringlomaneBooooooooooooo. I might have to indulge on more expensive rewards then whenever I get to redeem them.
Well, for 1m points, you get to pick a time and song for the Bellagio fountains... =P
To get to level 100 takes about 50,000,000 experience points.
Playing blackjack at 6,000 credits per game, it will take 16,666 games. I just timed that I can play 40 games (base game wagers plus doubles plus splits) in 3 minutes in turbo mode. So, 16,666 games will take about 21 hours.
In that time, I have gained about 120k loyalty points. Based on the food comps, it looks like the value of a loyalty point is about $2.00 per 1000. So, the value of the game, when playing blackjack only, is about $240/21hours = $10.56/hour.
This doesn't take into account the time you must spend to gain credits in order to wager.
For me, $10.56 is not worth the time, but when I spend 15 minutes a day, it is a fun hobby, much like spending time on this forum.
As a sanity check, I estimate that I have played for about 120 days, minus weekends at about 15 minutes per day. To make some real money, I need to create multiple facebook accounts and automate the whole process.
Quote: CrystalMathFor me, $10.56 is not worth the time, but when I spend 15 minutes a day, it is a fun hobby, much like spending time on this forum.
Exactly. If you're trying to turn this into a profitable endeavor with the opportunity cost being leisure time, it's probably not worth it. But if you're just doing it casually or enjoying the process, then it's not so bad. Me, I pick a slot, set it going on autospin and check back to get out of being in a bonus whenever I remember. Not particularly fast, but it works well enough for me.
Quote: CrystalMathI took a second look at the earnings per hour, and it is significantly better than $0.50.
To get to level 100 takes about 50,000,000 experience points.
Playing blackjack at 6,000 credits per game, it will take 16,666 games. I just timed that I can play 40 games (base game wagers plus doubles plus splits) in 3 minutes in turbo mode. So, 16,666 games will take about 21 hours.
In that time, I have gained about 120k loyalty points. Based on the food comps, it looks like the value of a loyalty point is about $2.00 per 1000. So, the value of the game, when playing blackjack only, is about $240/21hours = $10.56/hour.
This doesn't take into account the time you must spend to gain credits in order to wager.
For me, $10.56 is not worth the time, but when I spend 15 minutes a day, it is a fun hobby, much like spending time on this forum.
As a sanity check, I estimate that I have played for about 120 days, minus weekends at about 15 minutes per day. To make some real money, I need to create multiple facebook accounts and automate the whole process.
Doing it this way might maximize hourly, but I have 97k loyalty points and I am only at level 58 and have ~20% of the experience you do. But I only started playing around Nov. 17th, and I think some of the game changes were favorable to players in Nov. and Dec.
Multiple FB accounts may backfire though because to redeem rewards I think you need to have an MLife account, which probably will only be attached to one myVegas account. If you have a SO or family that would benefit from the game, then you could play for them.
Quote: tringlomaneI feel like I am doing "better" than $0.50/hr, but I have a bad habit of not paying attention to the game, and I really dunno how many hours I have logged on it. I just set the slot machine on autospin and click bonus games when needed. It is definitely not a big comp generating game though, but it's reasonable for something that costs nothing to play.
So far it is something to do whe I watch tv. Auto spin a must.
The two things they keep mentioning is that it's a time-suck, and that it used to be real easy to earn awards, but MGM keeps changing the rules to make it harder.
Based upon that review, I haven't bothered to even look at it.
On one of their latest podcasts, a listener phoned into say that they had no trouble redeeming the awards, so at least it's not bogus...
Quote: gameterrorif you are low on chips...you can level up the free play on slots with minium bet and only play with max bet when you only need one more hit to trigger the freeplay.
I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. They average your bets that you made between bonuses and select a different wager amount for every line. When you do this, you will notice that you will get funny total win amounts, not round values. I'm not sure, though, if they average all wagers between bonuses or only the wagers that contributed toward advancing to the bonus.
Quote: CrystalMathI'm afraid it doesn't work that way. They average your bets that you made between bonuses and select a different wager amount for every line. When you do this, you will notice that you will get funny total win amounts, not round values. I'm not sure, though, if they average all wagers between bonuses or only the wagers that contributed toward advancing to the bonus.
Ah, ok...I just noticed it didn't reset the bonus counter. Didn't actually trigger the bonus since I noticed it. Too bad.
The catch is that Nothing is what it seems to be anymore.Quote: AlembertMGM apparently has a partnership with Facebook. Play free games on facebook, collect points that can be redeemed for comps at MGM locations in Vegas. Is this legitimate? What is the catch?
Airline companies don't make money herding you onto a big metal bird and delivering you somewhere, they make money selling you a hotel room and a rental car reservation. Actually operating the airplane is an afterthought.
Its the same way with a casino... they don't make money by providing you a roulette wheel, they make money by getting your digits and ensnaring your social media attention and loyalty, the caress your psyche with coupons and they cater to your ardvark or avatar or something. After your online ego has been taken care off and your avatar has received an electronic "BJ" in cyberspace you will have been loaded with a combination of real and illusory trinkets and will be deemed to be a "loyal customer" who will eventually show up in Vegas and make a beeline to their casino to redeem your points and transfer the satisfied smile from your avatar's face to your face.
Unfortunately, it all boils down to Hype from Cyberspace being not much different than those Free Dice and Free Deck of Cards. Its just that now the Hype is Personalized and is a bankable commodity on their books, Your avatar's smile is now an "asset" of the casino instead of an asset of "Las Vegas". You are now a Loyal Customer whose been lured by some time wasting freebies redeemable at their casino.
There are plenty of people who waste time on the internet. This activity is one of them. The Wizard and the admins know exactly who I am and if you read all of my posts, you can pretty much figure out exactly who I am. This is the tradeoff we make by being on line.
Facebook has plenty of games in which you trade your email address for playing the game. Some are good, and some are lousy. But there are few games in which you actually can win "real" stuff. If you already play games online, this game is just another one no different in the amount of information you give them from any other site. There are plenty of slot based games on Facebook that alot of people play, but they get no real tangible reward except entertainment. Plenty of people enter the contests at videopoker dot com.
MyVegas is one of those games. Your loyalty to them is that you play games based on their property names. It's very easy to earn a deck of cards and free dice, but the die hard fans are going to go for the 25,000 points it requires for $50 meal credit or even the offer of free nights. The games are mindless (except blackjack) and if you spend passively an hour or two a day at it to collect the 50K coins from the MyVegas groups and the 20K or so in property drops per day, you can probably get 700K of action on the slots there (at 90% payback). It takes about 2.5K in action to get 10 points while playing at a realistic rate. I'm guessing you would accumulate about 3K in earnings over 2 hours a day. If you play at the higher levels, you could probably earn about 1.5K in an hour. At that rate you're looking at about 16 hours to earn a $50 meal credit and about 48 hours to earn a free night.
You have the passive ability for autospin so you can multitask, only clicking when you win a bonus or at the end of the autospin.
For me, I've decided that I'm going to see how long it takes to earn 200K points, which is enough for 2 free nights, a dinner at a buffet or steakhouse, and a Cirque show. I am guessing that it would take about 5 months at one hour per day. And that would be my Vegas trip for 2014.
It's taken me about a month to get to 50k, but I'm also not using a lot of the 'social' functions, like sending chips/points to people.
(And, tangentially related, but I just found that CET has their own 'Social Rewards' program, ostensibly for spamming people on your Twitter feeds... https://web.socialrewards.com/totalrewards)
Quote: bbvk05The game is designed to be addictive and make money through the purchase of game chips. Also, the decent comps take at least dozens of hours of play to earn.
Agreed with you and GH immediately above. Its an Attention Black-Hole with Info Rake. Nothing to see here folks, move along to Te'o's GF LOL.
Quote: boymimbo
MyVegas is one of those games. Your loyalty to them is that you play games based on their property names. It's very easy to earn a deck of cards and free dice, but the die hard fans are going to go for the 25,000 points it requires for $50 meal credit or even the offer of free nights. The games are mindless (except blackjack) and if you spend passively an hour or two a day at it to collect the 50K coins from the MyVegas groups and the 20K or so in property drops per day, you can probably get 700K of action on the slots there (at 90% payback). It takes about 2.5K in action to get 10 points while playing at a realistic rate. I'm guessing you would accumulate about 3K in earnings over 2 hours a day. If you play at the higher levels, you could probably earn about 1.5K in an hour. At that rate you're looking at about 16 hours to earn a $50 meal credit and about 48 hours to earn a free night.
You have the passive ability for autospin so you can multitask, only clicking when you win a bonus or at the end of the autospin.
For me, I've decided that I'm going to see how long it takes to earn 200K points, which is enough for 2 free nights, a dinner at a buffet or steakhouse, and a Cirque show. I am guessing that it would take about 5 months at one hour per day. And that would be my Vegas trip for 2014.
I've been following the same plan, auto spin while I multitask to earn a vacation. But what are the "groups?" I've just been picking up the day spin and property drops.
Quote: AZDuffmanI've been following the same plan, auto spin while I multitask to earn a vacation. But what are the "groups?" I've just been picking up the day spin and property drops.
Facebook groups... pretty much just clusters of people getting together to share chip feeds (those links you can click to collect an extra 50k chips a day), tips, etc.
(Personally, I find the environment here to be much more interesting though.)
Quote: VenthusFacebook groups... pretty much just clusters of people getting together to share chip feeds (those links you can click to collect an extra 50k chips a day), tips, etc.
(Personally, I find the environment here to be much more interesting though.)
So just search for them on FB I assume? Sounds boring but with the auto-open idea someone else posted sounds easy.
Does anyone know if you can transfer a room comp? Sell it on eBay or something?
See, I'm reaching across the aisle....
Quote: boymimboThe social group is called MyVegas Friends and they have a post called ChipShare thread where there are 101 or 201 chips. You can get up to 50K / day.
See, I'm reaching across the aisle....
And I reach Bach to shake your hand.
Politics is politics. AP is AP.
Quote: VenthusI believe that when you redeem, you have to link your FB/MV account to your MLife card. So unless you're doing an after-purchase transaction (handing over room keys, etc.), you'd have to be dedicating your entire MV history to somebody else.
Just create a dedicated Facebook profile to play myVegas, then sell the entire account so someone can redeem comps. Of course, you'll need to accept less than face value.
Here is the strategy guide that I use from facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/myvegasguides/app_137541772984354
Here is the group that you can grab bonus chips from and also add other MyVegas players:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/myvegasguides/469229579801082/?ref=notif¬if_t=group_comment_reply
Since January 16th I have leveled to 40 with almost 31,000 loyalty points (LP). It is a grind since the optimal strategy is to bet smaller on the slots.
Side Note: Do not try and add too many players. I was banned from adding friends (still am for three days) for a week by trying to add too many friends to join me. The above posts are correct, the only way to succeed is to add friends, intelligently, and then collect daily coins up to 50K.
I use the "All Bonus Checker" on facebook to easily collect my daily coins.
edit: looked again and found that it only takes 6 games at 1,000 per hand to gain 10 loyalty points. This is a far better deal if you consider loyalty points gained per wager.