AceCrAAckers
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May 17th, 2012 at 7:40:15 PM permalink
My observations.

When I had a booth at G2E, I have never met so many people who looked like they were kicked when they were down. These were all game developers that were trying to break into the business for many years and still have not broken through. As I observed Bernie make his sells pitch, he seems so acquiescent. He even asked permissions to take off his jacket.

Since I just started less than 6 months before renting a booth at G2E, I had no idea how hard it will be. First O'Leary is an ass. 2 out of 5 dragons didn't even bother to get out of their seat to look at the game. They already wrote it off. None had any constructive criticism, only that it is impossible to put a new table game in.

Most new game suck and that is the fact. You have less than 0.1% chance at success. Don't be optimistic, pessimistic, just be a realist. Let the fact speak for itself. If you did everything you need to do to succeed, and it has not happened, it won't. If you want to give it your all till then, I say take a chance and fail rather than never take a chance and wonder for rest of your life, "What if ?"

Bernie, If you should read this post, never sell yourself short and never let anyone take a pot shots at you without giving it back. Donít bother calling them sir when they are informal with you. Give respect in kind, never more and never less.
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appistapp1s
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May 17th, 2012 at 9:24:26 PM permalink
the poor guy lost a lot on that game....we had it in our casino for a short trial.
THESWEENEY
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May 18th, 2012 at 2:22:29 AM permalink
I think part of the MO of being a Dragon is to be obnoxious. Alas, it's part of the show.
Paradigm
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May 21st, 2012 at 4:22:49 PM permalink
I found both parts on YouTube. There have been a surprising amount of these game demo's on Dragon's Den......I would try and go down the distributor route first before going to DD. The distributors can get you in to casino's and they have the licenses in place. The Dragon's have money, but you still have the logistical nightmare of getting licensed in multiple jurisdictions......there is real value in climbing aboard SMI/DEQ licenses once you have a viable game. Time to market is important when the patent clock is ticking.

You didn't get to see a lot about how the game worked, the one Dragon did say he liked it better than Craps, but I think Craps would fail in a casino today as well.

I couldn't find the game on the web anywhere....only site I found linked to them was Chuckem.ca and the site does not exist anymore. You would think with $300K spent on the development, they would have a basic website up and likely have demo software available. It looked like this episode aired in March which means they must have filmed it within the last 12 months......really, no website at this point, are they completely out of $$?

From Capital Raise website, it looks like they have had three trials: Falls View Casino in Niagara Falls, Casino Royale in St. Maarten & on the casino cruise boat "Sea Escape". If you can't get a game to stick with 3 trials, it may be time to change the game.

I feel bad for these guys, but this is the game development business. Even if you work hard, create some luck and get a field trial.....the players still need to like the game and that is tough, particularly with a brand new game concept.

But really....they valued a game with 3 failed trials at $1,750,000!! I bet the "Boston Pizza" Dragon that liked the game better than craps would have given them $75,000+ for 50% of the company and that would be a gift. They could have tried G2E with that kind of money and/or got licensed in a jurisdiction they thought had the best chance of getting additional trials. Or simply had some marketing money to hit the sales road.

Problem is the main guy, Bernie, is now working as a roofer for a living and he doesn't have the ability to hit the sales road anymore. Maybe he didn't need to be present for the full 90 days down in St. Maarten, he has to have burned through a lot of his capital on that 90 stint.

Unfortunately, O'Leary is right.....they are done unless they can get a distributor to pick it up mainly because they can't add the most important ingredient when going the "non-distributor route": Free/Low Cost Sales Manpower. Your money runs out quick if you are trying to pay your living expenses as well as travel and promo expenses.

As Roger Snow was quoted as saying to game inventors, you need to put away your ego and find a nice comfortable pair of shoes to get that field trial.
buzzpaff
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May 21st, 2012 at 4:40:25 PM permalink
Don't know the episode, but did anyone see Dragon's den when the guy was pitching Fortune Teller BJ. He wanted $150,000 for 10%. Said casino's were dying to get the game and $3,000 fee a month. It was going to replace 50% of all the BJ tables in the USA.
Finally the deal was he got $150, 000 to travel to Vegas, when CEO on MGM was already lined up, for 50% of the company. He got the $150,000 as soon as first casino signed on board.

He later backed out of the deal. Anybody seen Fortune Teller Bj lately ? Just curious.
Hunterhill
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May 21st, 2012 at 5:09:06 PM permalink
What is Dragons Den I`m not familiar with this?
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buzzpaff
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May 21st, 2012 at 5:12:50 PM permalink
GOOGLE dRAGONS dEN ON uTUBE.
Paradigm
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May 21st, 2012 at 5:15:33 PM permalink
Here is link to the episode on Fortune Teller BJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy3IwKTbuGw

For what it is worth, Cary has developed a lot of games that I think are pretty good. His Copy Cat BJ side bet is in at Santa Fe Station. I think it is easy to criticize, but he did get a deal offered and he has a game placed and it has been in play for a while.....unless you are PaiGowDan or Switch, you have to respect the results.

Here is the link to 3 Dice Game, Chuck 'em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwkToK076-E (starts at 9:10 mark)

and continues here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LeCBK6LAwg
UCivan
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May 21st, 2012 at 8:10:09 PM permalink
I saw Fortune Teller BJ in California, but I believe the version is different from he was pitching then. Anywhere else? It takes in $2.7M each year?
UCivan
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May 21st, 2012 at 8:20:27 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I couldn't find the game on the web anywhere....only site I found linked to them was Chuckem.ca and the site does not exist anymore. You would think with $300K spent on the development, they would have a basic website up and likely have demo software available. It looked like this episode aired in March which means they must have filmed it within the last 12 months......really, no website at this point, are they completely out of $$?

How to spend $300K on game development, I'd like to know? Someone need to tell them, $10 could give you a domain name for one year, come with beautiful web templates; a game software on Internet cost about $2,500; a sexy model showing the game in a show cost $300 per day. Man, $300K is a lot of money.
buzzpaff
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May 21st, 2012 at 8:20:30 PM permalink
I think it is easy to criticize,

Was just saying what happened on Dragon's Den. Asked if anybody had seen it, because I had not. Hardly thimk that qualifies as criticism ?
buzzpaff
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May 21st, 2012 at 8:25:45 PM permalink
Lucier actually accepted one deal from entrepreneur Brett Wilson which would have paid Lucier $150,000 for his entire company, $75,000 in annual salary and 50 per cent of the royalties but has since turned it down.

"What's accepted on the show is not always what happens because deals have to be fully negotiated and closed," said Lucier.
buzzpaff
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May 21st, 2012 at 8:31:56 PM permalink
Cary Lucier, CEO of Negreanu Gaming. Lucier--firefighter, turned entrepreneur, turned casino table games inventor--eventually partnered with professional poker player Daniel Negreanu. Lucier started in the industry as table games supervisor/instructor, but eventually was "infected with the entrepreneurial bug" and began creating award-winning casino game concepts like FortuneTeller Blackjack.
coilman
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May 21st, 2012 at 10:38:49 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Cary Lucier, CEO of Negreanu Gaming. Lucier--firefighter, turned entrepreneur, turned casino table games inventor--eventually partnered with professional poker player Daniel Negreanu. Lucier started in the industry as table games supervisor/instructor, but eventually was "infected with the entrepreneurial bug" and began creating award-winning casino game concepts like FortuneTeller Blackjack.



You might want to watch the replays of the first two shows of CANADA's Greatest Know It All.....where Cary made an ass of himself. But I guess thats how KNOW IT ALLS are.

He was a dealer at Casino Windsor but I doubt he ever was a supervisor/instructor as if memory serves me correct he couldnt handle the smoke so he moved on
here is his video to try to get on to Greatest Know It all

http://www.discoverychannel.ca/Showpage.aspx?sid=37462
Dween
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May 22nd, 2012 at 5:51:09 AM permalink
Doing a google search for three dice game chuck em, the first link is a rundown of the story behind the game, and the way the game works. However, the .pdf file is a broken link. Clicking on Quick View will give you the article.

Here are the game rules, as outlined in the .pdf:

Quote:

THE BASICS OF CHUCK-EM

The object of the game is to roll at least one point higher than the banker to win. The
banker can be the casino, or can be another player. The banker always rolls first in the
game, and up to six people can sit at a Chuck-Em table.

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Bets are placed on the Chuck-Em square at the outer edge of the table.

The banker rolls three dice. To make a point, the banker must roll a pair. The third die is
the point. For example, it the roll is a three, three and five, the point is five.

Then the player rolls. He or she must roll a six to win.

Any pair with a six as the third roll is an automatic win. The player can also win by
rolling a four-five-six straight, or by rolling three of a kind.

Any roll that doesn't result in a point or a combination is considered a "dead roll," and the
player can roll again. This can happen until the player rolls a point and either wins or
loses.

There are also "automatic lose" rolls. Any pair with the third die as a one is an automatic
loss, as is a one-two-three roll.

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Players can increase their odds by placing one-roll bets.

Inside the Chuck-Em table are two circles, one with a C on it; the other with a D.

Players can place their chips on one or the other. A bet on C is a wager that the player
will roll a low combination (a total of between four and 10 points). Betting on D chances
the player will roll a combination of between 11 and 17 points.

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And there's a third way to wager:

The numbers one through six are in squares directly below the point squares on the table.
Players can hedge their bets, and put a chip on each square in their allocated space,
offering a fail-safe plan to win. A winning wager offers 11-1 odds and is tied to the point
square above.

For example: A player bets on the Chuck-Em square on the outside. Then places his or
her chip on the inside square. The player thinks the point will be a four, so places a chip
on that square. If the point does come up a four, the player wins. If it doesn't, the player
loses.

-Dween!
AZDuffman
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May 22nd, 2012 at 6:17:11 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

What is Dragons Den I`m not familiar with this?



It is the show that the USA show "Shark Tank" is based on. It is on in Canada and Britian I believe.
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BarneyR
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July 27th, 2012 at 4:12:59 PM permalink
Interesting game. I have some of questions:

- Is the game in any casino right now so that it can be played?

- "Chuck-Em square at the outer edge of the table" bets are only placed by the person ("player") who will be throwing the dice? In other words, you don't place bets on the outer edge if it is not your turn.

- For the C and D circles, are wagers for the "next" throw or the "next" non "dead-roll".

- For "third way to wager", it appears the wagers are for the "next" non "dead-roll". If 4-5-6 (or 1-2-3) comes up then the player's bet is lost. True?

I'm just trying to get a handle on the game.
coilman
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June 19th, 2014 at 8:42:03 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Here is link to the episode on Fortune Teller BJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy3IwKTbuGw

For what it is worth, Cary has developed a lot of games that I think are pretty good. His Copy Cat BJ side bet is in at Santa Fe Station. I think it is easy to criticize, but he did get a deal offered and he has a game placed and it has been in play for a while.....unless you are PaiGowDan or Switch, you have to respect the results.

Here is the link to 3 Dice Game, Chuck 'em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwkToK076-E (starts at 9:10 mark)

and continues here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LeCBK6LAwg




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June 19th, 2014 at 8:56:53 PM permalink
You have to give up lifetime percentages of any business Plan you mention or pitch even if a deal isn't reached on the show.
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