SHFL Focus Group
April 23rd, 2012 at 6:35:00 AM
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Quote: WizardMy Mulligan Poker and I are late entrants to this event. I'm looking forward to participating. Hopefully nobody feels that I'm diluting their chances. Thanks Roger for squeezing me in.
Good Luck Wizard.
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
April 23rd, 2012 at 7:22:31 AM
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C'mon in! The water's fine!Quote: WizardMy Mulligan Poker and I are late entrants to this event. I'm looking forward to participating. Hopefully nobody feels that I'm diluting their chances. Thanks Roger for squeezing me in.
Are you going to be there, personally? I hope so. It would be kind of fun to beat the guy who helped me tweak and improve my Poker For Roulette idea. LOL.
But seriously, although I'm a little giddy about the possibility of such an outcome, (not to mention nervous about the competition), I think if that happens, my emotions will be a combination of shock and pride. And, of course, you'll be invited to share in the pride.
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I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:00:59 AM
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Mike, I assume the following applies to your turning down my previous invitation ??
" It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business. "
" It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business. "
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:09:24 AM
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Quote: WizardMy Mulligan Poker and I are late entrants to this event. I'm looking forward to participating. Hopefully nobody feels that I'm diluting their chances. Thanks Roger for squeezing me in.
Lots of luck!
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:30:55 AM
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Thanks y'all. I asked my boss at the Venetian for the day off, but no reply yet. I'm hoping to do the Tuesday dinner, event itself, and post-event lunch.
Yes, bragging rights will be yours if you can beat the Wizard.
To warn you, I'm going to be showing Three Card Mulligan Poker. I have it on my site titled as Three Card Second Chance. What I show will have a different side bet, that isn't correlated to the main bet.
If I must lose, I hope it is to someone from WoV.
Yes, bragging rights will be yours if you can beat the Wizard.
To warn you, I'm going to be showing Three Card Mulligan Poker. I have it on my site titled as Three Card Second Chance. What I show will have a different side bet, that isn't correlated to the main bet.
If I must lose, I hope it is to someone from WoV.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:33:55 AM
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Double or Nothing on the 40 pushups you owe me ? Or is there a sissy in the room ? LOL
April 23rd, 2012 at 9:22:29 AM
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Quote: WizardThanks y'all. I asked my boss at the Venetian for the day off, but no reply yet.
Ouch! I'm pretty sure the boss will be thinking "already??" But you can claim it's business-related.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
April 23rd, 2012 at 9:39:29 AM
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"Already?" Yeah, that's tricky. But the Wiz isn't just any ol' clock-puncher. Hopefully they'll understand the nature of this one-time thing, as well as the nature of who the Wiz is, and be understanding.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 9:58:17 AM
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Quote: buzzpaffDouble or Nothing on the 40 pushups you owe me ? Or is there a sissy in the room ? LOL
Deal! Whoever gets more points wins.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 23rd, 2012 at 10:09:00 AM
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DAMN. I forgot you already saw my game. LOL But 80 pushups are a challenge, even more so for a man in a Hawaiian shirt.
April 23rd, 2012 at 11:25:29 AM
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I assume any late entrant in this race will be tested for the presence of stimulants ??
April 23rd, 2012 at 1:39:06 PM
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Quote: WizardTo warn you, I'm going to be showing Three Card Mulligan Poker. I have it on my site titled as Three Card Second Chance. .
Why give both player and dealer a chance to discard? It
just slows down the game and serves no purpose. Without
the discard, you could be blind drunk and still play. You
have no decisions to make, no mistakes to make. More
hands per hour means more profit for the casino. And
nobody has to understand the rules, just play. Like mini
bac, its mindless. Which ain't a bad thing. If I was a judge,
and you got rid of the discard thing, I would actually vote
for this game. It has everything going for it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 2:31:12 PM
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Bob -
Get rid of the discard thing? That's what makes his game unique.
Without the discards, how is this any different than Three Card Poker?
Get rid of the discard thing? That's what makes his game unique.
Without the discards, how is this any different than Three Card Poker?
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 2:33:51 PM
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Never played 3 card poker. The discard thing seems
redundant, it serves no purpose. So Mikes game
is 3 card poker with discards?
redundant, it serves no purpose. So Mikes game
is 3 card poker with discards?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 2:42:20 PM
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I've never played 3CP either, but, yeah, that's what it sounds like to me.
And since table games players want the ability to control their destiny (or at least the feeling that they have that control), adding this strategy element is a good thing. Plus, it eliminates the dreaded "dealer qualifier" thing.
I think Mike's got a good shot at the focus group.
And since table games players want the ability to control their destiny (or at least the feeling that they have that control), adding this strategy element is a good thing. Plus, it eliminates the dreaded "dealer qualifier" thing.
I think Mike's got a good shot at the focus group.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 3:14:52 PM
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There is no qualifier that I saw. You win or you
lose. Players want games where they don't have to
think. Giving them 2 hands for the price of 1 is
redundant and it forces them to think. Get rid
of the discards and you have a perfect fast casino
game that anybody can play and understand in 10sec.
lose. Players want games where they don't have to
think. Giving them 2 hands for the price of 1 is
redundant and it forces them to think. Get rid
of the discards and you have a perfect fast casino
game that anybody can play and understand in 10sec.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 3:24:12 PM
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Quote: EvenBobPlayers want games where they don't have to
think.
U.S. players that fit this description play slots, not table games.
As I understand it, Baccarat is the exception and normally has a non-western clientele. Not making a decision is part of relying on destiny/fate to determine your outcome/fortune. IMHO, this is a view that is not shared by the vast majority of non-asian, U.S. table game players.
April 23rd, 2012 at 3:34:29 PM
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Quote: ParadigmNot making a decision is part of relying on destiny/fate to determine your outcome/fortune. IMHO, this is a view that is not shared by the vast majority of non-asian, U.S. table game players.
The two most unpopular games are craps and roulette.
People don't play them because they involve thinking.
Where do I bet THIS time. They want games with a
minimum chance of making mistakes. Or what they
perceive as mistakes. All the bets in roulette are equal,
but most people don't know that. Except one and nobody
knows where that is anyway and its HE is higher than
the rest of the table.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 3:41:29 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThe two most unpopular games are craps and roulette.
Not sure where you got your information, but in Nevada, craps and roulette are the 3rd and 4th highest revenue earners behind only baccarat and blackjack.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 23rd, 2012 at 3:44:36 PM
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Quote: MathExtremistNot sure where you got your information, but in Nevada, craps and roulette are the 3rd and 4th highest revenue earners behind only baccarat and blackjack.
I didn't say they didn't make money. They aren't popular
with most casino players. Thats why there are so few tables
and why they're vacant so often. I often see every BJ table
full and nobody at the craps and roulette tables. Its always
been that way.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 3:58:28 PM
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Blackjack, the game that requires no thinking what so ever....
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
April 23rd, 2012 at 3:58:42 PM
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Craps and Roulette are traditionally viewed as non-strategic games (i.e. you put down your bet and see what happens). I don't agree with you that they are unpopular, but given that as an assumption, doesn't this indicate that players want games that have a strategic player decision?
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:09:08 PM
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Quote: Paradigmdoesn't this indicate that players want games that have a strategic player decision?
NO! They want games that are easy to play, that are
non challenging, where they can make few mistakes.
Roulette is daunting to most people, it looks very
complicated and confusing. I can't count the times I
go to play and all 3 tables are vacant. I don't bet every
spin, so I can't play alone. I've had to leave because nobody
would play longer than 5min.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:14:03 PM
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What lame casinos are you going to where craps and roulette are vacant?
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:17:32 PM
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Quote: EvenBobWhy give both player and dealer a chance to discard?
That would be like commenting the following about Blackjack Switch, "Why let the player switch cards, it just slows the game down."
This is supposed to be a golf twist on poker. If you don't like your first ball, hit another one. Of course, the other guy has the same option. It is that simple.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:22:54 PM
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Quote: WizardThat would be like commenting the following about Blackjack Switch, "Why let the player switch cards, it just slows the game down."
This is supposed to be a golf twist on poker. If you don't like your first ball, hit another one. Of course, the other guy has the same option. It is that simple.
But aren't you just giving everybody, including the dealer,
two hands for the price of one? Just give them one, the
game will go faster and the casino will make more money.
When selling a game, isn't that the object?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:25:44 PM
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Yes, casinos want that, but the players don't want to give away money so fast. Simple concept.
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:28:27 PM
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Quote: EvenBobBut aren't you just giving everybody, including the dealer, two hands for the price of one?
That is the point! Clearly you think the game stinks, but we'll see how it makes out next week.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:29:39 PM
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Quote: EvenBobRoulette is daunting to most people, it looks very
complicated and confusing.
I guess I just look at Roulette differently, pick a number and see where the ball lands doesn't seem that daunting, complicated or confusing.
April 23rd, 2012 at 4:42:14 PM
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I think Mulligan Poker has a definite shot.Quote: WizardThat is the point! Clearly you think the game stinks, but we'll see how it makes out next week.
It sounds simple. Exceedingly simple, but with the strategy element that people want.
When Mike was helping me tweak my Poker For Roulette game, one of the things he stressed was "Simple, simple, simple!" He certainly achieved that in his own game.
Frankly, I'm starting to worry. I WANT those braggin' rights, damnit!
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 5:11:16 PM
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Quote: MathExtremistNot sure where you got your information, but in Nevada, craps and roulette are the 3rd and 4th highest revenue earners behind only baccarat and blackjack.
But that is in Vegas ! In Colorado i see nobody playing craps or roulette. But will check revenue figures !
April 23rd, 2012 at 5:21:47 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffBut that is in Vegas !
Even in Vegas, go into any casino in the early afternoon
and see if anybody is playing roulette. The tables
usually have tumbleweeds blowing across them, and
all the BJ tables are full.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 5:27:46 PM
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Early afternoon ?!?!?
You mean when the players are in the pool or at some other outdoor activity? I.E. When the ENTIRE casino is rather quiet?
THAT'S your basis for a dead craps and roulette table?
You mean when the players are in the pool or at some other outdoor activity? I.E. When the ENTIRE casino is rather quiet?
THAT'S your basis for a dead craps and roulette table?
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 5:30:14 PM
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NV statewide:
there are about 2800 BJ tables, 470 roulette tables, 400 craps tables, 260 baccarat tables.
so per table baccarat is first, craps is second, roulette is third.
NV statewide win amount
March 1 2011 -Feb 29 2012
Bac. 1.364 billion
BJ. 1.051 billion
craps 399 million
roulette 333 million
sports 158 million
3 card poker 157 million
statewide win amounts
there are about 2800 BJ tables, 470 roulette tables, 400 craps tables, 260 baccarat tables.
so per table baccarat is first, craps is second, roulette is third.
NV statewide win amount
March 1 2011 -Feb 29 2012
Bac. 1.364 billion
BJ. 1.051 billion
craps 399 million
roulette 333 million
sports 158 million
3 card poker 157 million
statewide win amounts
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 23rd, 2012 at 5:38:13 PM
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Wong -
So with about 7 times as many BJ tables as Roulette tables, BJ pulls in about 2.5 times as much money, and with about 8 times as many BJ vs Craps tables, BJ pulls in 3 times as much.
OK. Thanks. Just checking.
So with about 7 times as many BJ tables as Roulette tables, BJ pulls in about 2.5 times as much money, and with about 8 times as many BJ vs Craps tables, BJ pulls in 3 times as much.
OK. Thanks. Just checking.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 23rd, 2012 at 5:58:11 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
THAT'S your basis for a dead craps and roulette table?
Roulette is often dead all evening as well.
Its maddening during the week, 9pm and
nobody playing, or they play for 10min and
wander away. On weekends its always busy,
but I don't go near casinos on weekends, too
crowded. The Wiz has predicted roulette
is on the way out, he might be right.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 23rd, 2012 at 6:03:27 PM
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prediction: roulette will outlive everyone reading this.
maybe its popularity is waning in NV
but it is going strong in AC, PA and CT, and QC
as far as i have seen
maybe its popularity is waning in NV
but it is going strong in AC, PA and CT, and QC
as far as i have seen
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 23rd, 2012 at 7:34:56 PM
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It's total revenue that pays the mortgage, not per table numbers
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:11:29 PM
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well, roulette is pulling in more than twice as much as sports betting,
do you think they will be closing the sports books soon?
do you think they will be closing the sports books soon?
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:23:55 PM
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Quote: WizardThat is the point! Clearly you think the game stinks, but we'll see how it makes out next week.
Three Card Mulligan Poker is a very nice and very good game.
It is one of the best I have seen.
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
April 23rd, 2012 at 8:40:24 PM
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Quote: MrCasinoGamesThree Card Mulligan Poker is a very nice and very good game. It is one of the best I have seen.
Thank you Stephen.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 23rd, 2012 at 10:04:11 PM
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Quote: WongBowell, roulette is pulling in more than twice as much as sports betting,
do you think they will be closing the sports books soon?
Unfortunately, I do. SIGH
April 23rd, 2012 at 10:08:00 PM
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Quote: MrCasinoGamesThree Card Mulligan Poker is a very nice and very good game.
It is one of the best I have seen.
Mike must think it is. He has refused my double or nothing bets on the 40 push-ups in the past. And now I only have 10 minutes
to demonstrate my game. What is the penalty in Vegas for gaffing a game ? LOL
April 24th, 2012 at 8:18:45 AM
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FYI to all presenters: We will have SHFL chaperons at each game and with respect to gaffers, they have been instructed to strike down upon them with great vengeance and furious anger.
Everyone has 10 minutes to demonstrate his game; that's more than enough time to: 1) Explain the rules; 2) Deal 5-6 rounds; and 3) Persuade people it's good. Understand that in the real world, as in this focus group, players will form their impressions quickly. It's like a woman on the first date: She knows in the first five minutes if she likes you or not.
Roger
Everyone has 10 minutes to demonstrate his game; that's more than enough time to: 1) Explain the rules; 2) Deal 5-6 rounds; and 3) Persuade people it's good. Understand that in the real world, as in this focus group, players will form their impressions quickly. It's like a woman on the first date: She knows in the first five minutes if she likes you or not.
Roger
April 24th, 2012 at 8:25:24 AM
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Tick Tock. I am on the clock. One week till the most important 10 minutes of my life and probably several others.
GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY
PS Why didn't somebody warn me RS actually reads this thread ? SIGH
GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY
PS Why didn't somebody warn me RS actually reads this thread ? SIGH
April 24th, 2012 at 8:36:19 AM
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In this case, it's more like speed dating. You've got less than 30 seconds to impress her by telling her what you can do, then 9 1/2 minutes to do it.Quote: PacmanShe knows in the first five minutes if she likes you or not.
You do realize that Roger started this thread, and has been posting here regularly, don't you?Quote: buzzpaffPS Why didn't somebody warn me RS actually reads this thread ? SIGH
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
April 24th, 2012 at 8:59:33 AM
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Yeah, but he has an empire to run also. Who knew he could not only invent games, master the gambling universe,
etc. and also police my actions? I just now Googled multi-tasking and Roger's picture came up. LOL
etc. and also police my actions? I just now Googled multi-tasking and Roger's picture came up. LOL
April 24th, 2012 at 9:39:09 AM
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Quote: Pacmanthey have been instructed to strike down upon them with great vengeance and furious anger.
Pulp fiction fan are we Roger...
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April 24th, 2012 at 10:13:49 AM
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Quote: mrsuit31Pulp fiction fan are we Roger...
Fiction ? Are you sure ?
