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Paradigm
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June 18th, 2011 at 2:43:48 AM permalink
Now that Easy Over Under is live in a field trial and Wiz has written up the game on the WoO site, I would appreciate the group's feedback on the game.

Wiz did an excellent job summarizing the rules of the game @ the WoO site and my website (www.easyoverunder.com) has both an Instructional & Live Hand Demo Videos so you can get a sense for the speed of the game, etc. (my apologies that my limited technology skills don't allow me to set that up as a link).

Thank you in advance for taking the time to provide your feedback/input.
FleaStiff
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June 18th, 2011 at 5:24:52 AM permalink
So far, I've only been to the WOO site analyzing the game.
My first comment may be inapplicable to many, but I sure can't read that layout, even when I blow it up a bit on my screen.
So I hope that in a real casino the layout is more legible to half-drunk, ancient and doddering old fogies. Whats the use if only those with perfect vision can read the layout at a glance?
Switch
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June 18th, 2011 at 7:12:57 AM permalink
Hi Paradigm,

Firstly, in the video, I believe that there are errors in the 'spread' when the dealer rolls '11' - 'spread' was announced as 11 and 9 for player cards 'Ace' and '3'. However, the demo' video gives a great feel for the game and clearly shows how it's played.

The game is fast although I did find that the individual settling of the players' wagers made the pace of the game a little bit 'stop and start' - a bit like 'Extreme 21' where each player had to play his/her hand out (and have the bet settled) before moving on to the next player. Without testing it the other way, it's hard for me to completely evaluate, but did you try dealing a card to each player before settling all of the wagers at the same time?

Another thing that I considered is whether the order of dice followed by cards could be reversed. In other words, the players each get a card each and then the dice are rolled - I'm assuming that a 'short side' bet could still be done with the '7' card as the no bet on short side. With this way the outcome is settled for all players in 1 event by the dealer (the dice roll) rather than players waiting for up to 6 events to be done. Again, it's not easy to see how this works unless it's dealt out and played. Finally. the added advantage of rolling the dice last is that there are no card counting issues as players are now betting the 'short side' with a roll of the dice rather than the outcome of a card being drawn.

Overall, the game ticks a lot of boxes. It's simple to play and deal and there are some good payouts to be had on the extreme hands. Pace is fast and I'm sure, with the right group of players, that a good ambiance between players can be generated by the nature of how the game works i.e. it creates a strong underlying feeling of 'us' verses the dealer. I know of at least 1 major 'Strip' casino that would likely try this game if it was presented correctly - PM me if you are interested in looking at distribution in the Vegas market and haven't found a company yet.

Finally, in case I have overlooked the obvious, did you try reversing the dice/card format? If so, were there reasons or problems why it was inferior?

'Good Luck' with the game - I'm happy to say that it doesn't compete with any of mine :-)
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June 18th, 2011 at 1:40:40 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

I know of at least 1 major 'Strip' casino that would likely try this game if it was presented correctly - PM me if you are interested in looking at distribution in the Vegas market and haven't found a company yet.



Success on the strip would be awesome for any new game. But this assumes a new game field trial for Nevada approval. A sponsoring distributor would be a huge help.

Swicth brought up some interesting points on the game's design....do get back to us all!
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Paradigm
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June 18th, 2011 at 9:04:01 PM permalink
Switch, you have given me a lot to chew on.

I think in the video, the dice roll was a 12 where the large payout for an 11 spread was paid. That would makes sense on the 11 spread with an Ace and the 9 spread with a 3 card, but I will go back and verify that when I am not on my cell connection to the net.

I agree there is some start and stop to the game. My concern with a community card is the game would be lighting fast and players would be betting with and against each other. It does work in Bacc like that, but I felt like I didn't want the us against them attitude at the table amongst players. However that also provides some comraderie when they all win betting one direction or hitting large spread with a single community card. Again, something to definitely consider.

When we have single players at the table, the game is very quick for them.......I almost need the dealer to slow the game down when the table only has 1 or 2 players. Dealing a community card would avoid the start stop, but increase the speed where the game is already fast.

I need to take a look at the math when you reverse the order of the dice and cards. Since the card outcome is an even distribution of a 1 in 13 event and the dice roll is a variable outcome of 11 possible results with the bias being towards the center of the possibilities (i.e. closer to 7), I believe there were some math issues when I reversed the order. We did include a reversal of card and dice in the IP work. I will definitely revisit based on your input.

The concern with dealing all the cards out before settling each wager was that there would be dead money on the table at 1st base as you were dealing the remaining cards towards third base. I felt that from a security standpoint as soon the card resulted in a loser, we need to lock that money up and get it in the tray.

Thank you for some excellent thoughts.....I really value your and others input from this board.
buzzpaff
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June 20th, 2011 at 9:22:30 PM permalink
This is a FORUM. Where the hell is your input. YES I MEAN YOU !!!!!! I know you read this, give the man your opinion.
Past my bedtime or I would now,
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2011 at 9:40:08 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

This is a FORUM. Where the hell is your input. YES I MEAN YOU !!!!



OK. The average person isn't going to play it because its too complicated. The average person doesn't play roulette for the same reason. If you were to introduce roulette as a new game, I doubt if it would make it. Its only in casinos because its ancient and its from a time when people had brains capable of understanding something more complicated than sticking in a quarter and hitting a button.
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buzzpaff
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June 20th, 2011 at 10:12:00 PM permalink
Thanks for your input! and I do mean THANKS
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2011 at 10:36:01 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Thanks for your input! and I do mean THANKS



85% of people who go to casinos want to be mindlessly entertained. Thats why slots grew and grew until they now take up most of the space. That leaves 15% to play the table games and they aren't on the overly bright side either. The really smart people never go in casinos.
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June 21st, 2011 at 4:48:43 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

This is a FORUM. Where the hell is your input. YES I MEAN YOU !!!!!! I know you read this, give the man your opinion.
Past my bedtime or I would now,

Who are you talking to, and where it YOUR input?
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