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February 13th, 2019 at 5:23:03 PM permalink
Hey everyone. We are in the process of creating a demo for a video poker game based on free play and we wanted to get some professional thoughts and feedback on it. Briefly, a special card is added to the deck of standard cards and when it appears on the deal, the player is awarded n seconds of free play and a random multiplier for that amount of time.

A few obvious questions:
1. We are looking at providing 30 seconds of free play when the bonus is initiated. Is this too much, not enough, or just right?

2. Depending on how often the bonus will occur, what wager structure would you feel is acceptable? I've used 5 + 5, 5 + 10 wagers in the past and depending on the game, people accepted them for the most part. For this game, I'm leaning toward the old format of 5 + 1 but I have to find a good balance that will allow me to get higher multipliers in the game.

Our first version of the game will not allow retriggers within the bonus. It will just provide a bonus consisting of a multiplier and a set amount of time. The next version will get a bit crazier and allow for retriggers, expiring timers, new multipliers, etc. If you want to read more about this version of the game, I have a LinkedIn article located here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lightning-poker-speed-based-video-timothy-nottke/

We welcome any thoughts and feedback you may have.

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February 13th, 2019 at 5:39:26 PM permalink
I think you will have a VERY hard time gaining appeal to the general public. As the game inventor, you will naturally build a house edge into the game against the FASTEST players. The majority of players that KNOW they are not amongst the fastest will realize that they are at a disadvantage against an even higher house edge.
I think the concept is interesting, but I don't think you will find a large enough audience to make it succeed commercially.

But I could be wrong!
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February 13th, 2019 at 6:05:14 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I think the concept is interesting...


Yeah, me too. It's one thing to give a player options to think about, but this twist challenges both the mental and physical skills. SP makes some good points though. Please post again when you have a demo at your site to play. I'd love to try it.

Is the lightning card wild or does it vanish to reveal the actual card dealt?
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February 14th, 2019 at 12:09:23 AM permalink
I really like the concept, but I too feel as though you'll probably build the timer against faster players, for protection, but alienate 90% of the slower population by doing so.

My only other concern is how often one would get the lightening card:

1/53 + 1/52 + 1/50 + 1/49 + 1/48... assuming 1 extra "lightening card" is added... = .1293 or ~1 in every 8 hands.

If you do something like 5 + 10, and go on a slightly bad streak with no lightening... then you'll hemorrhage VERY FAST. Maybe too fast for some comfort.

I do also like the idea a lot. I just think it might be difficult to implement to appease everybody.
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February 14th, 2019 at 6:36:32 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

<snip>My only other concern is how often one would get the lightening card:

1/53 + 1/52 + 1/50 + 1/49 + 1/48... assuming 1 extra "lightening card" is added... = .1293 or ~1 in every 8 hands.<snip>



Romes,

I think your calculation is wrong. If the deck has 53 cards, then the odds of seeing the "lightning card" on the deal is just 5/53, or once every 10.6 deals.

As for the original concept, rather than give "time", why not give "deals"? That would put fast and slow players on an equal footing.

Hope this helps!

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February 14th, 2019 at 6:46:49 AM permalink
An interesting idea to add some kind of random bonus if (say) a Joker appears on your initial deal. However I would have preferred it to be a fixed (or variable) number of hands dealt automatically rather than timer based.
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February 14th, 2019 at 7:53:40 AM permalink
I do not like the idea of an extra card in the deck. The bonus will just happen too often. I would just set it up as a random event just like Super Times. If you are giving free hands for 30 seconds that would be about equivalent to a $12.50 bonus for a quarter 5 coin player (roughly 10 hands in 30 seconds). Assuming no multipliers you will need to collect that $12.50 in the extra promo bet. If you add multipliers and the averages is a 2x multiplier you will need to collect $25 in extra bets before the bonus triggers. With the one coin extra bet that would mean the bonus could trigger about every 100 hands.
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February 14th, 2019 at 8:25:34 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I do not like the idea of an extra card in the deck. The bonus will just happen too often. I would just set it up as a random event just like Super Times. If you are giving free hands for 30 seconds that would be about equivalent to a $12.50 bonus for a quarter 5 coin player (roughly 10 hands in 30 seconds). Assuming no multipliers you will need to collect that $12.50 in the extra promo bet. If you add multipliers and the averages is a 2x multiplier you will need to collect $25 in extra bets before the bonus triggers. With the one coin extra bet that would mean the bonus could trigger about every 100 hands.



Just to highlight, DRich knows what he's talking about.

I play at about 800hph, sometimes a little faster. So I would get to see the timer about every 7-8 minutes. That seems often enough to make it an attractive feature, especially if you can add multipliers.
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February 14th, 2019 at 11:54:56 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Just to highlight, DRich knows what he's talking about.

I play at about 800hph, sometimes a little faster. So I would get to see the timer about every 7-8 minutes. That seems often enough to make it an attractive feature, especially if you can add multipliers.



At roughly 1 in 10, I think you would see the timer every 70 seconds wouldn't you?


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February 14th, 2019 at 11:59:32 AM permalink
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At roughly 1 in 10, I think you would see the timer every 70 seconds wouldn't you?


ZCore13



It would actually be more often than that. You get 5 cards dealt, plus you are drawing more cards in most hands. Typically you will see about 8 cards per game. 53/8=6.62
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