DRich
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July 12th, 2018 at 2:28:59 PM permalink
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Claim 3 of this just issued patent. Anybody care to comment ?



Yes, the best way to write patents is to copy already issued patents and change as little as necessary. There is no copyright or plagiarism for patents. That can make for a cheap way to do your own patents if you can't afford a patent attorney.
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Paradigm
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July 12th, 2018 at 3:08:38 PM permalink
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" The method of claim 1 wherein the method is executed on physical gaming table with physical playing cards provided from a physically randomized set of physical playing cards and the wager is committed by placement of a physical element on a wagering wager at the player position in an area on the gaming table identified for receiving committed wagers, and the specific predetermined value is between 7 and 11. "

Claim 3 of this just issued patent. Anybody care to comment ?

United States Patent Application 20180182211
Kind Code A1
Stream; Matthew Henry June 28, 2018


RAPID LOW TOTAL-CARD BLACKJACK-TYPE GAME


This appears to be a new patent APPLICATION that has not undergone USPTO examination. Claim 3 will be disallowed under examination as relating to abstract matter and unpatentable under Section 101.
dogqck
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July 12th, 2018 at 3:19:41 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

This appears to be a new patent APPLICATION that has not undergone USPTO examination. Claim 3 will be disallowed under examination as relating to abstract matter and unpatentable under Section 101.



Once again you are correct sir!

Correspondence Address Customer Number: 97462
Filing or 371 (c) Date: 12-11-2017 Status: Docketed New Case - Ready for Examination
Application Type: Utility Status Date: 02-06-2018
Examiner Name: HU, KANG Location: What is a Location? ELECTRONIC
Group Art Unit: 3717 Location Date: -
Confirmation Number: 1076 Earliest Publication No: US 2018-0182211 A1
Attorney Docket Number: 777_746US1 Earliest Publication Date: 06-28-2018
Class / Subclass: 463/016 Patent Number: -
First Named Inventor: Matthew Henry Stream , Las Vegas, NV all Inventors Issue Date of Patent: -
First Named Applicant: - International Registration Number (Hague): -
Entity Status: Small International Registration Publication Date: -
AIA (First Inventor to File): Yes
DJTeddyBear
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July 12th, 2018 at 3:57:18 PM permalink
Thanks for the info.



FYI. I got a PM response on the subject. The advice wasn稚 exactly earth shattering so I don稚 know why it was sent as a PM rather than publicly posted.

At any rate, the advice was basically to copyright everything. Procedure manuals, table layouts, rack cards (player instructions), pay tables, etc.

Not sure how useful copyrights would be but I believe they are relatively cheap and easy to obtain.
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July 12th, 2018 at 6:24:13 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Thanks for the info.



FYI. I got a PM response on the subject. The advice wasn稚 exactly earth shattering so I don稚 know why it was sent as a PM rather than publicly posted.

At any rate, the advice was basically to copyright everything. Procedure manuals, table layouts, rack cards (player instructions), pay tables, etc.

Not sure how useful copyrights would be but I believe they are relatively cheap and easy to obtain.



Anyone advising you to spend money "protecting" you game isn't doing you any favors.
dogqck
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July 12th, 2018 at 6:37:53 PM permalink
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Anyone advising you to spend money "protecting" you game isn't doing you any favors.




cOLD sHOT. cARE TO EXPLAIN JUST ASKING ?
SM777
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July 12th, 2018 at 6:48:45 PM permalink
It's just a waste of money, and it's unfortunate that is the state of the industry right now. Since getting a patent is impossible, you're not protecting anything. As Teddy Bear mentioned already, you can copyright/trademark whatever you want, but if I wanted I could just change the name, and make the layout look slightly different. It's silly, but that's just the way it is right now.

So, putting money into these things, in a industry where Shufflemater fails to get to 20 installs on 95% of their games, is just dumb.

It's a losing ROI every single time.
dogqck
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July 12th, 2018 at 7:33:04 PM permalink
Y know it's a gamble, but so is life. Not doubting you but failing to get 20 installs on 95% of their games. Not aware they have that many table games in their arsenal. Usually Mike has an analysis on any new table game placement. Just don't remember seeing very many SHFL table games placed in the last few years or even on their product list. Correct me if I am wrong, I am wrong quite a bit,
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July 12th, 2018 at 7:36:51 PM permalink
Quote: dogqck

Y know it's a gamble, but so is life. Not doubting you but failing to get 20 installs on 95% of their games. Not aware they have that many table games in their arsenal. Usually Mike has an analysis on any new table game placement. Just don't remember seeing very many SHFL table games placed in the last few years or even on their product list. Correct me if I am wrong, I am wrong quite a bit,



They have a huge catalog. Mostly shelved (not actively being sold by the sales force) because the casinos aren't picking them up, but any that ask for one can get it installed. I would guess roughly 75-80 games floor-ready, several very good. If you go to the scientific games website, they have maybe 30 listed last I looked.
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dogqck
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July 12th, 2018 at 7:52:17 PM permalink
I just cant accept the 95% don't get 20 placements. Roger and Elliot don't buy that many losers. On SHFL site 11 BJ side bets and pretty sure 6 have over 20 placements. 11 variant BJ and 5 for sure have 20. 14 specialty games with 8-9 getting placements. 4 poker games at least 2 have placements. I doubt SHFL has 400 losers they tried to place.
Besides as a micro entity, cost Teddy $70 to file PPA. Not exactly a fortune.

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