Paigowdan
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August 29th, 2016 at 6:46:27 PM permalink
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We shall see. Looks like Chase The Flush got some love on here. Is that an internal game of theirs?


Yes, it is internal to AGS as far as I know, and I was quite impressed with it. I played it for quite a while at the Luxor.

The Love is deserved - but with cautions:

I think it is a "tough" and "pro" advancement onto HCF that may or may not take, - much in the same way the very fine UTH is an advancement in Hold 'em poker games - which was also a big gamble at the time that turned out very well. (As I said in my own book on Game Design, "Good for Roger Snow and his crew on this excellent product.") Perhaps the same might be said for Dave Lopez and AGS if and when this game turns out well for them.

Again, sir, UTH is among the BEST casinos games, if not the finest example of a casino strategy game, IMO.

The strategy for Chase The Flush is both simple and elegant, - and tricky. They key is to NOT let players hang themselves against your game, but to help them to hook them:
1. Simply to raise 3x on two suited to a Queen with a face card kicker or better, or three of a suit. You can also raise on three faces or Aces, as odds on you get top three in a three-card suit.

2. then raise 2x when having the stronger side to a Qxx suited on the flop or better.

3. Call 1x when holding a jack or better to a three-suit, or two to a three-suit, else fold.

SM777, you yourself have got to know that when you help your players, THEN your help your own game succeed.
AGS needs to know that when you put strategy help on rack cards, you also help your players help game.
Same for the Shuffle Master Division of Scientific Games.

If I design a strategy-based casino game, I'll also throw a good and meaty strategy bone on the rack - to help the players who are supporting my game.

SM777, what's your take on this? Will providing a basic strategy on the rack card help AGS on their Chase the Flush game, - which is very sharp if players go into it a are a bit knowledgeable, so they do well and adopt the game?
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SM777
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August 29th, 2016 at 6:50:26 PM permalink
I think in theory, that sounds like a good idea. But I'd need to know if tough games like Miss Stud and UTH have strategy on them already? Those are difficult games to follow strategy.
Paradigm
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August 29th, 2016 at 6:58:18 PM permalink
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I know. Was just commenting on their newly posted position. Looking for someone under John.


What is Ofir's role at AGS? I thought he was under John in some capacity.
SM777
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August 29th, 2016 at 7:02:02 PM permalink
I would think so as well, but really not sure.
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August 29th, 2016 at 7:12:06 PM permalink
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What about you, Sir?


Same question back to you. Seems like you might fit the bill ... and have experience in performing a similar role at a competing firm.
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Paigowdan
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August 29th, 2016 at 7:16:49 PM permalink
Quote: SM777

I think in theory, that sounds like a good idea. But I'd need to know if tough games like Miss Stud and UTH have strategy on them already? Those are difficult games to follow strategy.


The two are very different games in terms of "player favorability," really.

The problem with MS is that it's strategy cannot be condensed into a reasonable "cheat sheet" or "poker eye strategy" for the player - the player too often hangs himself, but on UTH, the player "gets it."

While UTH can be subliminally condensed into "good memory play" by the average casino gambler- hence UTH's continuing and long lasting success in the field, MS is really fading away. UTH is just a WAY better game. Chase the Flush may have some of those good qualities, I feel: the ability to raise when in a strong position, and with a little strategy, the ability to recognize when in those strong positions. THIS is why I felt a rack card strategy should have been included with Chase the Flush, also a very fine game - give the player a rope to grab onto the game.

UTH, as tough as a game it is, is very sensible to the poker player, and it fully deserves its fine success.

MS and LIR are just too rough in terms of strategy and variance.

I think the sales and the install base bear this out now. Go UTH and CTF.
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Paradigm
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August 29th, 2016 at 7:22:21 PM permalink
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Does anyone have a bartop unit for a table game with a dealer? They've got all these betting terminals sitting on slot floors. Create one that sits on the bartop where I can play "live" games.


Is this like a stadium seating type concept, where you can join in on the next game resolution for games like Bacc, Roulette, & Sic Bo. All these betting terminals are currently limited to games that require no mid hand player decision points or else you are stuck waiting for player decisions from all terminals.

I suppose you could install a default decision based on inaction after a specific time. For example in UTH, inaction after 5 secs would result in a check on the first two raise opportunities followed by a fold at the last decision point.

This set up would certainly reduce labor costs for a game like UTH, but I would hate to see the property specific volatility that such a set up my create when the player hand deals a Royal Flush and you have 78 connected players on that hand each winning the 500-1 on the Blind Bet.

I may not be thinking big enough here...I do that at times ;-)...perhaps there is a new type of next generation EGM game content that expands what can entertain under this type of set up.
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August 29th, 2016 at 7:23:30 PM permalink
I think the strategy for Ms isn't the reason it's fading away,It's the variance.
When people try it for the first time and lose 10 hands in a row or more,good luck getting them to try it again.
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Paigowdan
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August 29th, 2016 at 7:23:40 PM permalink
Quote: Lucky

Same question back to you. Seems like you might fit the bill ... and have experience in performing a similar role at a competing firm.



You know Harry, I would indeed, but I have found - in my old age - this great and legitimate industry to be a bit treacherous, litigious, and political at times. Psychically, I am walking with a cane, if only for self-defense here and there, in a Willy Stargell sense, here and there. This isn't an easy business. And you know this Harry, man of a thousand pairs of worn-out shoes.

I now own a day spa in Las Vegas with my lovely wife of many years, and I have published a book on game design, - all to diversify a bit.

Will I ever leave this business? Unlikely. But to have other pokers in the fire just for perspective and diversification, - yes indeed.

I feel like Al Pacino (and I'm sure SM777 does also), the scene from Godfather #42 or something - "JUST when I thought I was out.....It PULLS me back in!!! MICHAEL!! MICHAEL!!...[sign of the Cross while saying the Rosary].....
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MathExtremist
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August 29th, 2016 at 7:34:31 PM permalink
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I have found - in my old age - this great and legitimate industry to be a bit treacherous, litigious, and political at times.

You know how sometimes you read too quickly and jumble words together? I saw "treacherous" and "litigious" together and read "lecherous."

And now you own a day spa?

Nahhh...
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