Hittem
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March 9th, 2016 at 9:15:31 PM permalink
Although it seems like a good idea to take a placement at any casino just to get your game off the ground, having this game at Palace Station seems like a death bed if you're planning to charge them after the field trial.

Palace Station doesn't seem to be the proper market for this type of game. If they're getting it free after the field trial, and it stays in while you try to sell it elsewhere, then you'll have a good selling point. If not, this game seems doomed at there.
UCivan
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March 10th, 2016 at 8:06:52 AM permalink
Is this filed trial at Palace Station?

I thought most, if not all, field trial tables are free for life.
UCivan
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March 10th, 2016 at 8:18:33 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Finally, this opinion may be controversial, but I'd at least consider hiring shills to play it. Preferably female. Most players hate to be the guinea pig on a new game so it is very helpful to see other players on the game already.



How do you compensate the shills? What is the fair hourly rate?
I am sure the shills are playing with your money. Who pockets the winning if there is any?
kobalj
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March 10th, 2016 at 8:44:01 AM permalink
I don't know anything about Palace Station nor have I had any contact with them whatsoever. However, it is now official as of yesterday, the field trial is at the Magnolia Bluffs Casino in Natchez, Ms. I am beyond stoked!! I appreciate all of the help from so many of you guys. For those who think it won't work the odds are on your side. But opinion time is just about over. The results will speak for themselves.
UCivan
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March 10th, 2016 at 8:56:00 AM permalink
Congrats!!! First game and a great accomplishment. Any field trial is hard to get.
Joeman
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March 10th, 2016 at 11:26:06 AM permalink
Quote: kobalj

Does that seem correct or am I missing something? If so please explain.

I have no inside knowledge of the industry, but from personal experience, resolving side bets always seems to be a big factor in hands per hour. Most BJ games I see either have no side bets or if they do, rarely have many people playing them.

Carnival games, on the other hand, usually seem to have them, and just about everybody plays them. In fact, I sometimes get berated if I don't play the side bet!

Have you factored resolving the side bet into your hph analysis?

Edit: Forgot to say 'congrats' on the field trial! Best of luck with your game going forward!
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Lucky
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March 10th, 2016 at 12:20:24 PM permalink
Quote: kobalj

... it is now official as of yesterday, the field trial is at the Magnolia Bluffs Casino in Natchez, Ms. I am beyond stoked!! I appreciate all of the help from so many of you guys. For those who think it won't work the odds are on your side. But opinion time is just about over. The results will speak for themselves.


Congratulations on getting the field trial!

This is a rare accomplishment for a new game inventor, and you've taken an important step in testing the real world viability of your game.

Please post the start date when you know it.
"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." -- Winston Churchill
kobalj
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March 10th, 2016 at 12:54:10 PM permalink
Great point Joeman. The bonus feature in my game would affect the HPH but not very much. It will have zero affect on decisions as the bonus is either place at the same time as the ante or not at all. If it is place with the ante there are no decisions like there are with the over/under base game. If the bonus is placed it will pay out if the three card total end up on one of the extremes of being a really high over or really low under. So the only difference to the HPH would be for people that played both the base and the bonus those players wagers will be resolved by two actions by the dealer as opposed to just one. So I think it matters but not enough to account for the disparity that cames from the extra decisions in BJ. Also, like I said , not only are there more decisions in BJ there are a lot more tough decisions which may require some thought by some players. The fact my game has a limited number of challenges is what it is and maybe it will be its downfall. However, the fact there are so few is why the game motors the way it does. I'm sure there will be some actions junkies that appreciate that pace or at least I hope so.
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March 10th, 2016 at 6:17:33 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Not sure that can be an accurate statement. Casino War is make a bet, deal a player card and dealer card, resolve wagers...I don't know of any live table game that has a higher hands per hour than Casino War.

Here is a write up on BBB's Ultimate Casino War that was in play at Barona (not sure of current status) Ultimate Casino War. I believe it was offered as "One for the Money" in at least one card room in WA. BBB's game added a couple of basic strategy decisions to standard Casino War.

Simple and engaging for repetitive play by the same players is a very tough recipe...in fact you could say it is worth millions due to scarcity!!



Thanks, Paradigm! Last I heard (January) it's being played at Crowne Melbourne (Australia) as Poker War, may still be at Barona as Ultimate Casino War, and is in Birmingham, England at Genting's as One for the Money. Might be at one other British casino.

Kobalj; congrats on the field trial! I wish you much success and many placements.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
kobalj
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March 11th, 2016 at 7:02:01 AM permalink
I see you mentioned Crowne Melbourne. I only discovered that casino a few months ago but Oh my word...... That casino is amazing!! I have never been there but I put it on my bucket list b/c it looks incredible. Has anyone in here been there? I have been downright harassing Brad Waldron to give my game a shot. Obviously to no avail or you would have heard me blabbing about it.

Thanks for the compliments. I have enjoyed this process. It's by no means an easy one. It definitely takes thick skin to handle all of the rejection and perseverance. For me personally, I feel like I learn something every single day yet still feel I've only scratched the surface on understanding what's what. However, I know it's right up my alley b/c it has my passion meter on a level it hasn't been at in a long, long, time.

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