New Pai Gow Poker side bet
Quote: WizardofnothingHopefully it's not paigow blackjack which I am about to file a patent for- top two cards become a blackjack hand against the dealers top to cards...... Any feedback would be appreciated
Why would you say this? Nothing like tipping your hand. If someone beats you to it, it's your own fault.
Quote: WizardofnothingHopefully it's not paigow blackjack which I am about to file a patent for- top two cards become a blackjack hand against the dealers top to cards...... Any feedback would be appreciated
a) If you mean the front hand, that should be beatable if you're not changing the rules. The player has choices, the dealer doesn't. E.g., a situation like JT95533, most house ways require setting 33 front but you'd play JT/95533.
b) Your post is a public written disclosure. Just saying. Talk to an IP attorney before publicly discussing your inventions next time.
Quote: MathExtremistb) Your post is a public written disclosure. Just saying. Talk to an IP attorney before publicly discussing your inventions next time.
This sounds ominous. I wanted to post here because I see the forum members giving each other valuable feedback. Now you're telling me i need a lawyer just to post the details of my new side bet? Can you recommend a decent "IP lawyer" that knows what they are doing and doesn't charge an arm/leg?
Quote: WizardofnothingOops I was editing and deleting before you quoted it lol
I will delete my post (if I can).
There is a catch 22 with a new idea, you want some feedback from others to tweak it, but can't tell everyone otherwise someone might nick your idea.Quote: shrimpboatcapt....valuable feedback....post the details of my new side bet....
fwiw I don't tend to play sidebets but personally prefer them if they don't affect the way you play the base game. Another factor, if you were looking at cards face-up games, such as Blackjack, is casinos probably prefer bets that are quick to resolve and happen before the main game is played out.
Quote: charliepatrickThere is a catch 22 with a new idea, you want some feedback from others to tweak it, but can't tell everyone otherwise someone might nick your idea.
fwiw I don't tend to play sidebets but personally prefer them if they don't affect the way you play the base game. Another factor, if you were looking at cards face-up games, such as Blackjack, is casinos probably prefer bets that are quick to resolve and happen before the main game is played out.
That makes alot of sense, thanks for your feedback.
Most members here WILL give good feedback, and have no intention of stealing your idea. However, this IS a public forum, and there are plenty of silent lurkers. Just sayin....Quote: shrimpboatcaptThis sounds ominous. I wanted to post here because I see the forum members giving each other valuable feedback. Now you're telling me i need a lawyer just to post the details of my new side bet? Can you recommend a decent "IP lawyer" that knows what they are doing and doesn't charge an arm/leg?
My patent attorney is Jon Muskin.
http://www.patentstrademarks.com/attorneys/jon-muskin
Congrats on your game too. I noticed in another thread you're the man now!
I must correct myself.Quote: DJTeddyBearMy patent attorney is Jon Muskin.
http://www.patentstrademarks.com/attorneys/jon-muskin
Jon is the guy I used to evaluate the contract I got with Galaxy. He IS a gaming patent lawyer, but I used Rich Newman for that. Rich is now the lawyer for Galaxy, which is why I needed a new lawyer.
Happy to provide the feedback, but making public disclosures of your invention can put it in the public domain. That may mean you can't later get a patent on it, because one of the requirements for patentability is "novelty". Both Jon and Rich are great lawyers and I've known both for years. They'll be able to point you in the right direction. It's not cheap, either on a cost or time standpoint. But if you don't care about filing a patent and just want to discuss new game ideas, fire away.Quote: shrimpboatcaptThis sounds ominous. I wanted to post here because I see the forum members giving each other valuable feedback. Now you're telling me i need a lawyer just to post the details of my new side bet? Can you recommend a decent "IP lawyer" that knows what they are doing and doesn't charge an arm/leg?
Quote: MathExtremistHappy to provide the feedback, but making public disclosures of your invention can put it in the public domain. That may mean you can't later get a patent on it, because one of the requirements for patentability is "novelty". Both Jon and Rich are great lawyers and I've known both for years. They'll be able to point you in the right direction. It's not cheap, either on a cost or time standpoint. But if you don't care about filing a patent and just want to discuss new game ideas, fire away.
Thanks for the info. Before posting the details, I'm going to reach out to these two lawyers you and DJTeddy mentioned and see what they have to say.
Can I sell the sidebet without having a patent for it or is a patent the value someone would be purchasing?
You can try, but don't think of it as selling a sidebet, think of it as selling a way for another gaming company to make money. Your sales price goes up when you increase their future income. If they look at your idea and don't see any future income, you won't get the deal. There are lots of ways to generate value for other companies. Only some of them are salable, and only to certain companies. The deal has to make sense.Quote: shrimpboatcaptThanks for the info. Before posting the details, I'm going to reach out to these two lawyers you and DJTeddy mentioned and see what they have to say.
Can I sell the sidebet without having a patent for it or is a patent the value someone would be purchasing?
Definitely seek legal counsel before going forward, if for no other reason than to get a sense of costs, timing, and possible return on investment. Then figure out whether you want to make that investment in the first place. You might have a good idea for a game, but not all good game ideas are worth more than the cost to bring them to market.
Quote: MathExtremistYou can try, but don't think of it as selling a sidebet, think of it as selling a way for another gaming company to make money. Your sales price goes up when you increase their future income. If they look at your idea and don't see any future income, you won't get the deal. There are lots of ways to generate value for other companies. Only some of them are salable, and only to certain companies. The deal has to make sense.
Definitely seek legal counsel before going forward, if for no other reason than to get a sense of costs, timing, and possible return on investment. Then figure out whether you want to make that investment in the first place. You might have a good idea for a game, but not all good game ideas are worth more than the cost to bring them to market.
That makes alot of sense. Thanks for your feedback.
Like most aspiring game inventors when they first start out, I've got more than one idea. I started with a Pai Gow Poker sidebet mainly because its the game I like best and play the most. Are there games that have a higher probability of attracting interest? Do totally new games even stand a chance or is it best to focus on improving established games with a built in following?
1st someone mentioned an "IP Attorney". Went downhill for me from there.
Still, others thought about, and then posted really good info.
Can I just get some fresh shrimp, right off the boat, right from the Capt?
Prolly local, state, and federal regs in the way....Darn.
I can meet you late at night, in a secret location.
I can define the perimeter with 'some help from my friends'
But my other friends are watching these friends ( yes, they are on the friends of 2F watchlist ).
If we're talking gulf shrimp, nevermind.
If we're talking wild caught Atlantic Whites ( even just 25-32 then PM me.)
We could perhaps make a deal......
I might be willing to come alone...
I likes my shrimps...
The "Fortune" side bets already cover hands based on all seven player cards. While I encourage the development of new games, I personally don't think there will be much corporate interest in a side bet based on player+dealer cards in this environment.Quote: shrimpboatcaptMy side bet idea is that players use their top hand to make a holdem hand using either the four left over cards or the dealers bottom hand as community cards. Alternatively players could use their bottom hand to make an Omaha hand as well. You'd have to use 3 community cards to make your poker hand either way. Side bet payouts would be according to the pay table or a common pot minus commission. What do you think?
Quote: AyecarumbaThe "Fortune" side bets already cover hands based on all seven player cards.
Aren't people advised against playing the fortune side bet? Either way, it's a lottery ticket.
Quote: AyecarumbaWhile I encourage the development of new games, I personally don't think there will be much corporate interest in a side bet based on player+dealer cards in this environment.
If the 4 unused cards were used as the community cards instead of the dealers bottom hand, would that make it more appealing? Players would use their top hand combined with three of the four community cards to form a poker hand.
Do you know which types of games the corporate interests are looking for besides side bets? Are original games discouraged?
