NTEK / NTGL
Quote: AhighOne attendant per n machines. Most casinos can operate these near the pit and you basically just take money and charge up an account associate with a card (can even be your personal credit card -- no special card required) and then you play. When you're done if you have money, you go back to the attendant and give them your card and they drain the funds from your account and give you chips to take to the cage.
It really is sad that nobody can get to this information on their own AND falsely claims that we have bill acceptors and/or refuse to accept that we have created what was designed to go RIGHT NEXT TO TABLE GAMES as described by the pdf document and all of our online information for our game.
Yeah! It looks different. It's called INNOVATION.
But it is and it has ALWAYS BEEN presented as a table game since day 1.
Quote: mrsuit31Do you have this technology developed yet? (the load up station)
Do you plan to have a pay station in the pit?
Since chips are exchanged do you plan to have a booth/table with a chip rack? Otherwise how will this exchange take place? Then if this is the case, wouldn't you need more than one attendant, one constantly sitting at the chip exchange area and one who is the point man who instructs the players on how to play?
I also find it hard to believe that gaming will ever allow exchanges in a pit using a credit card.
Above are the questions I had on the tech/operational requirements he stated were associated with the games that I had never received any clarification.
Axel, these are a few of the hurdles I see them (anyone using their ideas) overcoming in the preliminary stages to even judge feasibility.... Just my thoughts.
Quote: mrsuit31Above are the questions I had on the tech/operational requirements he stated were associated with the games that I had never received any clarification.
Axel, these are a few of the hurdles I see them (anyone using their ideas) overcoming in the preliminary stages to even judge feasibility.... Just my thoughts.
Caesars in Atlantic city and the taj as well in the early 2000s maybe late 90s 10000 million percent allowed you to buy chips with a credit card at the table
Quote: WizardofnothingCaesars in Atlantic city and the taj as well in the early 2000s maybe late 90s 10000 million percent allowed you to buy chips with a credit card at the table
That was only one of the concerns. The loading of the playing card etc was the primary issue... His idea was not buying chips, it was loading a pseudo Dave and busters card with credit purchased with a credit card through this loading station...
Can someone verify what wizardofnothing just said. That is news to me, but I am a little young to have that knowledge from my own experience. As far as I know that is not presently allowed anywhere. Taking markers is the only credit in the pit I'm aware of. Again I need someone else to verify that.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1980&dat=19960824&id=vYEiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Na4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4665,4560389&hl=en
Quote: WizardofnothingSince you needed proof. Lol
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1980&dat=19960824&id=vYEiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Na4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4665,4560389&hl=en
That's from two decades ago... What are the rules now...?
Again that was not a concern of mine with the products but thanks for that article. I never new that. I was 11 when that was allowed.
Quote: WizardofnothingI do not think they still do it because it really held up the game- being as you are an attorney as well or so I thought , was just saying there is precedence for such.
I was just reading the laws now actually. The rules only allow for check cashing with a plethora of rules associated. No rules state any allowance of the use of credit cards for chip redemption under the New Jersey rules.
Sorry I was being lazy and didn't want to look that stuff up right now but caved...
As I said, I was just to young to have any idea that that had gone on in the past. Appreciate you posting that article.
I don't see them ever allowing that to happen again.
If your curious it's article 7 5:12-101 of the NJ Casino Control Act. Further, 5:12-101(g)(5) says that the casino can't issue a check or any form of credit to a player for gambling (paraphrased of course). I would assume that this subsection would apply to a credit card transaction if challenged.
Quote: WizardofnothingI remember every one complaining about how literally slow the game was if someone did it/ it created security issues with fraud I'm sure . Also the fees were ridicules- there was a sign at each table underneath the game signage that showed all the credit cards excepted. I also think there was a small shame factor as people might have been embarrassed doing it here instead of at a window designated for it .
Anyone who has taken a cash advance in a casino knows how absurd the fees are haha.
If you look at my previous post above, I added the rule to look up if your interested. You can pull it up on the gaming enforcement website...
You could use your player's card to load up machines and cash out machines, just take the card to the cage whatever you wanted your money. Great system, I REALLY HATE TITO. IMO machines should have all 3 TITO, Cashless and coins just pick whatever you want. I know coins are a pain in the casinos ass but many older people love them.
Quote: WizardofnothingIn reading over that it's been a while since I last looked,it's All bs anyway, clearly stated casino cannot allow a marker to be taken out when the check is post dated yet it's part of the sales pitch when taking credit that they will hold the marker for 30 days- it's all semantics
But those checks aren't really post dated, they are dated at drafting... The reason for the 30 days is that under the UCC a check expires after 30 days, so they have to cash it then to be collectible...
Quote: AxelWolfDuring late 90's Caesars LV 's had a cashless system, not totally cashless because I don't think you could load it with a CC, you had to load it at the cage or put bills in a machine and cash out to the card.
You could use your player's card to load up machines and cash out machines, just take the card to the cage whatever you wanted your money. Great system, I REALLY HATE TITO. IMO machines should have all 3 TITO, Cashless and coins just pick whatever you want. I know coins are a pain in the casinos ass but many older people love them.
I still love having the hundreds of quarters in a bucket. I was upset when that changed. Even though there are a hundred reasons that the change was necessary...
Quote: Wizardofnothinghttp://m.pressofatlanticcity.com/business/system-lets-gamblers-load-money-from-prepaid-accounts/article_bc3fb076-1a18-11e5-92a0-cb68bcb5ab07.html?mode=jqm
I see how prepaid cards by using cash or debit would be acceptable, just not credit cards...
I can see this getting a little out of control quickly though where people that usually (degenerates) got cut off because of the max atm withdrawal per day, would be able to essential lose everything in their bank accounts. I can see the anti gaming folks putting a stop to that real quick if that starts happening to a lot of people. I honestly don't know if that will ever happens, but is definitly a thought that comes to my mind right away...
I may be mistaken, but I believe Scarlet Pearl allows you to transfer credits from the machines to your players card and vice versa.Quote: mrsuit31I see how prepaid cards by using cash or debit would be acceptable, just not credit cards...
I can see this getting a little out of control quickly though where people that usually (degenerates) got cut off because of the max atm withdrawal per day, would be able to essential lose everything in their bank accounts. I can see the anti gaming folks putting a stop to that real quick if that starts happening to a lot of people. I honestly don't know if that will ever happens, but is definitly a thought that comes to my mind right away...
Quote: mrsuit31I still love having the hundreds of quarters in a bucket. I was upset when that changed. Even though there are a hundred reasons that the change was necessary...
I enjoyed them as well. Well except for the 1 day at wheeling island when I dropped 3 buckets full of nickles. I was near the cashier and it was like my hands just stopped working. I can remember it feeling like slow motion as the buckets hit the ground and nickles went flying everywhere. A security guard was nearby and he came over to help. Had about 4 people help pick them up as well. I don't think those people even borrowed any.
Quote: AxelWolf
My question is.... did they even ever have a chance to get their games into a casino?
Hopefully someone will buy their technology and use it .
No. The company didn't want a real product.
No. Ntgl doesn't have any tech or property to buy. You can't sell addendum patent pending applications.
ahighs ideas are piggy backing on other people ideas before him. Just like foley has done.
And now ntgl and ntek shareholders will have no more 'pretend' ownership in either company as shareholders as they just announced the ntek r/s today again. They're just waiting for finra to process their application. That may be problematic as well. ntek does the r/s, ntgl will be next in line within days.
Very interesting and related to this convo about using a credit card
Quote: Wizardofnothinghttps://netimegambling.com
Very interesting and related to this convo about using a credit card
Very interesting. This goes against much of everything I knew about credit being used for gambling, lotteries etc...
I thought this would violate the Statutes of Anne adopted in many states. But hey, clearly I was wrong.
Quote: mrsuit31Very interesting. This goes against much of everything I knew about credit being used for gambling, lotteries etc...
I thought this would violate the Statutes of Anne adopted in many states. But hey, clearly I was wrong.
Let's not forget that the credit card companies themselves have been lobbying for years to allow casinos direct access to peoples credit cards. That information is out there in banking media websites and other finanancial journals. It only stands to reason that the credit banks are behind this 100% and don't give a rats ass about anyone's gambling problems.
Quote: sammydvLet's not forget that the credit card companies themselves have been lobbying for years to allow casinos direct access to peoples credit cards. That information is out there in banking media websites and other finanancial journals. It only stands to reason that the credit banks are behind this 100% and don't give a rats ass about anyone's gambling problems.
The credit card companies have a business to run. They are going to try and get business however they can. It's up to the Elected Officials, Casino Regulatory bodies and the people to decide if they allow things like this to happen.
Who's responsibility is it to make sure someone doesn't spend more than they should? To me it's the individual, not the government or credit card company. I was just in Laughlin. I lost a few thousand dollars. I can afford that. Who's fault would it be if I had maxed out all my credit cards and spent my mortgage payment? Only one person that should be blamed.
ZCore13
That depends on where the casino is and who's running it. In Canada, at least right now, the provincial governments own and operate the casinos and they have a duty of care to the citizens. There are numerous "safe gaming" protocols in place there, especially for the online piece (which is also legal). Things like time limits, buy-in limits, etc.Quote: Zcore13The credit card companies have a business to run. They are going to try and get business however they can. It's up to the Elected Officials, Casino Regulatory bodies and the people to decide if they allow things like this to happen.
Who's responsibility is it to make sure someone doesn't spend more than they should? To me it's the individual, not the government or credit card company. I was just in Laughlin. I lost a few thousand dollars. I can afford that. Who's fault would it be if I had maxed out all my credit cards and spent my mortgage payment? Only one person that should be blamed.
ZCore13
Film at eleven.
having a great time bike and skateboard
riding every day, hanging out at different
places, been doing it for weeks now. No
job, got the house all to himself. Life is
good with no worries.
Here are a couple of excited potential
customers playing his pinball game.
I think these were the only ones that
played all day, from the size of the
crowd in the background.
This is a selective spin. At the G2E His booth was very crowded with a very diverse crowd. The game was/is awesome period. I'm certain if IGT or a more successful company came up with this exact concept with a few tweaks it would've been successful.Quote: EvenBobLooking at Ahigh's FB page, he seems to be
having a great time bike and skateboard
riding every day, hanging out at different
places, been doing it for weeks now. No
job, got the house all to himself. Life is
good with no worries.
Here are a couple of excited potential
customers playing his pinball game.
I think these were the only ones that
played all day, from the size of the
crowd in the background.
Quote: ParadigmTo be fair, Nano Tech's booth was on the outer border of the booths with empty space behind it. The angle of the video is mostly towards the side wall. .
So it was wildly successful at this show
and we can expect it in casinos soon.
Good to know.
Quote: EvenBobSo it was wildly successful at this show and we can expect it in casinos soon. Good to know.
Oh, is that what you meant to ask? No I don't think it will be wildly successful, there is lots of discussion on that in this and other threads...you can go back and take a look at those comments to get some insight.
Quote:AxelWolf::This is a selective spin. At the G2E His booth was very crowded with a very diverse crowd. The game was/is awesome period. I'm certain if IGT or a more successful company came up with this exact concept with a few tweaks it would've been successful.
Hi ahigh, how you doing. Having fun riding your bike and uni? Listen, You wanted your little dream to work and you didn't care if you went along with a crook like foley, because you helped him before. You're as much a criminal as they are. Your wife left you for that reason. She didn't want to live anymore with criminals.
I don't blame her.
Also, how retarded is it to show OLD PEOPLE playing when all you and foley scammed about is how it's all YOUNG people who will love this.
If you're not ahigh using a different alias, then you are naive and delusional.
Quote: sammydvHi ahigh, how you doing. Having fun riding your bike and uni? Listen, You wanted your little dream to work and you didn't care if you went along with a crook like foley, because you helped him before. You're as much a criminal as they are. Your wife left you for that reason. She didn't want to live anymore with criminals.
I don't blame her.
Also, how retarded is it to show OLD PEOPLE playing when all you and foley scammed about is how it's all YOUNG people who will love this.
If you're not ahigh using a different alias, then you are naive and delusional.
He is definately not the Ahighguy. Enjoy your suspension time.
ZCore13
You can not look at a product that has gone nowhere and think everything is well and good.
It isn't.
And the product 'fuzzy game' was like a hundred others out there. There's no one home at either company, who's going to make and market Ngamings 'games'?
We've been ripped off and this forum starts booting unhappy people who have hard questions then this is no better than yahoo or that stupid board investorshangout.
Sorry.
AxelWolf and Ahigh are two completely different people. I have met them both in person on multiple occasions, and I happen to like both of them. I do not necessarily endorse some of the posts that Ahigh made on this forum, but he was just fine to meet with, dine with, and game with in person.Quote: sammydvIf you're not ahigh using a different alias, then you are naive and delusional.
BTW, I do not think that AxelWolf is at all naive and delusional, though the person making that suggestion may be.
I'll absolutely take this as a personal insult and since you don't seem to be on this forum for anything other than ranting about your bad investment, I'm hoping you get a suspension.Quote: sammydvHi ahigh, how you doing. Having fun riding your bike and uni? Listen, You wanted your little dream to work and you didn't care if you went along with a crook like foley, because you helped him before. You're as much a criminal as they are. Your wife left you for that reason. She didn't want to live anymore with criminals.
I don't blame her.
Also, how retarded is it to show OLD PEOPLE playing when all you and foley scammed about is how it's all YOUNG people who will love this.
If you're not ahigh using a different alias, then you are naive and delusional.
I am not defending foley or Ahigh, I'm defending the game and the concept, NOT the company.
The game itself was a masterpiece IMO.
Quote: sammydvHi ahigh, how you doing. Having fun riding your bike and uni? Listen, You wanted your little dream to work and you didn't care if you went along with a crook like foley, because you helped him before. You're as much a criminal as they are. Your wife left you for that reason. She didn't want to live anymore with criminals.
I don't blame her.
Also, how retarded is it to show OLD PEOPLE playing when all you and foley scammed about is how it's all YOUNG people who will love this.
If you're not ahigh using a different alias, then you are naive and delusional.
Have you ever, I don't know, READ any of Axelwolf's posts here?
Personal Insult, One Week due to severity.
Unhappy people who violate the forum rules get booted. Happy people who violate the forum rules get booted. Your misery or seething anger about losing your NTGL investment doesn't give you a pass to insult forum members.Quote: sammydvWe've been ripped off and this forum starts booting unhappy people who have hard questions then this is no better than yahoo or that stupid board investorshangout.
Sorry.
Sammy dv arrived here, arrived here just to slam NTEK, or at least that was my impression. That went on for quite a while, and then some more.Quote: MathExtremistUnhappy people who violate the forum rules get booted. Happy people who violate the forum rules get booted. Your misery or seething anger about losing your NTGL investment doesn't give you a pass to insult forum members.
Now we have a suspension 'cause Sammydv doesn't know the difference 'tween Axel and AHigh? The world works in mysterious ways, sometimes good.....
http://nvsos.gov/SOSEntitySearch/FeeDetails.aspx?ctok=NvfeaJ6dOrIR4K%252bzC9l2Aw%253d%253d
ZCore13
There is zero upside to NTGL that I can see: so far as I can tell they are defunct / not doing business anywhere.
Quote: MrVThere is zero upside to NTGL that I can see: so far as I can tell they are defunct / not doing business anywhere.
Ahigh knew this was coming, it's why he
suspended himself for a year. He hasn't
signed in since Dec, so even if you send
him a PM he won't read it. Everything
is rainbows and lolipops on his FB page.
Riding cycles and mountain bikes and
skateboards, hanging out around Vegas.
Carefree and no worries.
You're not an AP if................................... .Quote: Zcore13And the ship continues to sink.
What do you expect him to do instead, publicly lament NTGL's downfall? It's not a person, it's just a corporation.Quote: EvenBobEverything
is rainbows and lolipops on his FB page.
Riding cycles and mountain bikes and
skateboards, hanging out around Vegas.
Carefree and no worries.
When the people fail to act responsibly, blame the laws; when the laws fail, blame the people.Quote: MathExtremistIt's not a person, it's just a corporation.
