Poker For Roulette - Coming soon to a casino near you!
May 29th, 2015 at 5:08:05 PM
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I wanna start by saying thanks to everyone here who has given support to me and for my game concept in the last few years. Thanks.
Recently, charliepatrick posted here that he was at a gaming show at Grosvenor in London a couple weeks ago. I then asked if he had seen anything interesting for Roulette. His response was that there's one game in particular that might interest me: something called Trio-lette from Galaxy Gaming.
OK, I admit it. I have a deal with Galaxy Gaming to market my Poker For Roulette side bet. Yep, they're are calling it Trio-lette.
The thing is, I thought that Galaxy was going to have the game at a show somewhere in Europe towards the end of May. So when that post indicated a show happened towards the beginning of May, I thought it was a different show, one that Galaxy wasn't attending, which is why I asked about Roulette variants. I'm still interested to know what other Roulette games or side bets are out there, even though I assume that someone at Galaxy is keeping their eyes open for that sort of stuff.
As you probably know, when I first came up with the idea, it was a five spin side bet where poker type results are winners. As such, Poker For Roulette seemed like a fitting name - to me anyway. But even then I was well aware that if I sold it, the buyer might want to market it under a different name. Now that it's a three spin concept, it's even more distanced from poker and really did need a new name. I do like the Trio-lette name, although I tend to pronounce it as if it rhymes with Frito-Lay. Don't ask me why. Maybe because I'm a junk food junkie?
In my efforts to sell the idea, I visited Vegas at least 8 times including the last few G2E shows, a couple demo days at ShuffleMaster, a couple visits to Galaxy Gaming, and the 2014 Raving Table Game Conference. No matter who I showed it to, the reaction was generally positive, but many also commented that an electronic implementation of some sort would be best. While I do have a concept for an electronic implementation described on my website, actually designing and building it is way beyond my capabilities and budget.
I began to believe that the next, and perhaps last step for me, short of finding someone with deep pockets, would be to enter the game in the Raving Best New Game competition. However, there was no way I would do that without first seeing how the conference and competition operates. I wanted to know things like how many games are showing, how many of the booths have eye candy, how many have real candy or other giveaway goodies, and most importantly, how the actual demos and voting works. So I paid a reduced rate to go as a non-voting participant. It was a very valuable experience. I do beleive I got all my questions answered.
Also, during the first day of Raving, a meeting with Galaxy was set up. Apparently, all the talks and demos I had given them in the past, combined with PaiGowDan's constant suggesting they give my game a shot, worked. (FYI: Until recently, Dan worked for Galaxy. One of his duties was to invent and/or find/evaluate new games.) The meeting at Galaxy's office was the day after Raving and attended by several of Galaxy's top people. I got the feeling that they didn't have a roulette table in their office, because the meeting was conducted in a conference room which made any sort of demo impossible. In the meeting, they asked me to describe it one more time, and they hit me with a bunch of questions.
I don't know if that meeting was merely a formality or not, but I had no trouble fielding the questions. Afterwards, I had a private meeting with the CFO where we discussed terms, and ended with a couple big smiles and a handshake. A contract followed not long afterwards.
As you might imagine, one of the terms is non-disclosure. So I can't tell you many of the details. Well, hardly any details, actually. And the non-disclosure is why I didn't admit in the above linked thread that Trio-Lette is my game. But now that the game has been seen in the show, that part of the non-disclosure has been lifted.
After signing the contract, Galaxy sent me some cool branded SWAG, like a mouse pad and coffee mugs and stuff, which I proudly display/use at my day job. I also got a couple really nice items that were personal gifts from the CFO and PaiGowDan. Thanks again, guys!
Galaxy has a lot of work ahead to sell the game to the casinos. As is evidenced by their participation at the above mentioned show, they are certainly doing their part.
For starters, they produced some fantastic logos, table art, and player handouts, and made some minor and not so minor changes to the game and dealer procedures. The changes are ideas that seem so obvious, they make me say, "Duh!" Unfortunately, these are all items that I'm sure they'd rather be kept under wraps for now.
One of the last things the CFO said to me in his office was that if I come up with any other games, to be sure to show them to Galaxy. That struck as kinda odd. I mean, we're in bed together. Of course I'd present any new ideas to them. But the reality is, I seriously doubted that I'd be able to come up with something else. I kinda shot my load, both emotionally and mentally, on this. Amazingly, as I was flying home the next day, I thought of two new games, neither of which have anything to do with anything already on the casino floor. But I haven't even begun the patent process on them yet, so I'm not saying a word to anyone about them.
OK, so maybe the title of this thread, "Coming soon to a casino near you" is something of a stretch, but I'm very happy with the deal I have with Galaxy Gaming, and equally happy with the things that they have been doing to get Trio-lette, ahem, to a casino near you.
Once again, thanks to Galaxy Gaming, and to everyone who helped me get this far.
Recently, charliepatrick posted here that he was at a gaming show at Grosvenor in London a couple weeks ago. I then asked if he had seen anything interesting for Roulette. His response was that there's one game in particular that might interest me: something called Trio-lette from Galaxy Gaming.
OK, I admit it. I have a deal with Galaxy Gaming to market my Poker For Roulette side bet. Yep, they're are calling it Trio-lette.
The thing is, I thought that Galaxy was going to have the game at a show somewhere in Europe towards the end of May. So when that post indicated a show happened towards the beginning of May, I thought it was a different show, one that Galaxy wasn't attending, which is why I asked about Roulette variants. I'm still interested to know what other Roulette games or side bets are out there, even though I assume that someone at Galaxy is keeping their eyes open for that sort of stuff.
As you probably know, when I first came up with the idea, it was a five spin side bet where poker type results are winners. As such, Poker For Roulette seemed like a fitting name - to me anyway. But even then I was well aware that if I sold it, the buyer might want to market it under a different name. Now that it's a three spin concept, it's even more distanced from poker and really did need a new name. I do like the Trio-lette name, although I tend to pronounce it as if it rhymes with Frito-Lay. Don't ask me why. Maybe because I'm a junk food junkie?
In my efforts to sell the idea, I visited Vegas at least 8 times including the last few G2E shows, a couple demo days at ShuffleMaster, a couple visits to Galaxy Gaming, and the 2014 Raving Table Game Conference. No matter who I showed it to, the reaction was generally positive, but many also commented that an electronic implementation of some sort would be best. While I do have a concept for an electronic implementation described on my website, actually designing and building it is way beyond my capabilities and budget.
I began to believe that the next, and perhaps last step for me, short of finding someone with deep pockets, would be to enter the game in the Raving Best New Game competition. However, there was no way I would do that without first seeing how the conference and competition operates. I wanted to know things like how many games are showing, how many of the booths have eye candy, how many have real candy or other giveaway goodies, and most importantly, how the actual demos and voting works. So I paid a reduced rate to go as a non-voting participant. It was a very valuable experience. I do beleive I got all my questions answered.
Also, during the first day of Raving, a meeting with Galaxy was set up. Apparently, all the talks and demos I had given them in the past, combined with PaiGowDan's constant suggesting they give my game a shot, worked. (FYI: Until recently, Dan worked for Galaxy. One of his duties was to invent and/or find/evaluate new games.) The meeting at Galaxy's office was the day after Raving and attended by several of Galaxy's top people. I got the feeling that they didn't have a roulette table in their office, because the meeting was conducted in a conference room which made any sort of demo impossible. In the meeting, they asked me to describe it one more time, and they hit me with a bunch of questions.
I don't know if that meeting was merely a formality or not, but I had no trouble fielding the questions. Afterwards, I had a private meeting with the CFO where we discussed terms, and ended with a couple big smiles and a handshake. A contract followed not long afterwards.
As you might imagine, one of the terms is non-disclosure. So I can't tell you many of the details. Well, hardly any details, actually. And the non-disclosure is why I didn't admit in the above linked thread that Trio-Lette is my game. But now that the game has been seen in the show, that part of the non-disclosure has been lifted.
After signing the contract, Galaxy sent me some cool branded SWAG, like a mouse pad and coffee mugs and stuff, which I proudly display/use at my day job. I also got a couple really nice items that were personal gifts from the CFO and PaiGowDan. Thanks again, guys!
Galaxy has a lot of work ahead to sell the game to the casinos. As is evidenced by their participation at the above mentioned show, they are certainly doing their part.
For starters, they produced some fantastic logos, table art, and player handouts, and made some minor and not so minor changes to the game and dealer procedures. The changes are ideas that seem so obvious, they make me say, "Duh!" Unfortunately, these are all items that I'm sure they'd rather be kept under wraps for now.
One of the last things the CFO said to me in his office was that if I come up with any other games, to be sure to show them to Galaxy. That struck as kinda odd. I mean, we're in bed together. Of course I'd present any new ideas to them. But the reality is, I seriously doubted that I'd be able to come up with something else. I kinda shot my load, both emotionally and mentally, on this. Amazingly, as I was flying home the next day, I thought of two new games, neither of which have anything to do with anything already on the casino floor. But I haven't even begun the patent process on them yet, so I'm not saying a word to anyone about them.
OK, so maybe the title of this thread, "Coming soon to a casino near you" is something of a stretch, but I'm very happy with the deal I have with Galaxy Gaming, and equally happy with the things that they have been doing to get Trio-lette, ahem, to a casino near you.
Once again, thanks to Galaxy Gaming, and to everyone who helped me get this far.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
May 29th, 2015 at 11:52:58 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
I'm still interested to know what other Roulette games or side bets are out there, even though I assume that someone at Galaxy is keeping their eyes open for that sort of stuff..
There's a Roulette side bet in the casino where i work. It's called 'Prime Time', a 5 consecutive spins bet on the prime numbers on the wheel. I think Geoff Hall came up with it.
Good luck with the game DJ. I was too busy to check out your game at Coventry, but you should hear about how it went there, and if you have any installs from it, in early June.
May 30th, 2015 at 12:00:15 AM
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DJ,
Many congrats and many installs! I could not be happier for you, with all the effort you put forth in making this happen. Yay!
Many congrats and many installs! I could not be happier for you, with all the effort you put forth in making this happen. Yay!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
May 30th, 2015 at 2:02:40 PM
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Excellent progress DJ, as you know I have been a fan of the game concept since we met at the first SHFL Focus group. Lots of tweaking since those days (every good game concept needs that along the way), and here you are.
I do think the PFR concept is best held in the hands of distributor, it is just too hard in my opinion for an indie to get a house to try something new on their roulette table like PFR. My hats are off to the Luck Bros. for accomplishing that with their Riverboat/Rainbow Roulette concepts......it is extremely difficult.
Galaxy ought to be able to get it on the floor of a few houses and then the proof will be in the pudding, that pudding being drop/win/hold numbers before and after the game is installed. I think multi-spin roulette has a niche alongside the regular game and when I saw that football bonus concept fully implemented in an electronic format at last year's G2E, I was like, "PFR is way better than that bonus concept.......why hasn't someone picked up DJ's PFR?". To which the answer is "now they have!!".
I do hope that you get to see your little baby in action so hopefully the trial install(s) are relatively close to you. My guess is they will be Vegas or West Coast, so you may have another trip ahead of you. I can tell you there is nothing like seeing players play and win at your game......definitely spend the dollars when it goes live and get yourself there!!
It will be great to see the game on the floor of G2E and perhaps Raving as well......that will be another big milestone!! Congrats and best wishes!!!
I do think the PFR concept is best held in the hands of distributor, it is just too hard in my opinion for an indie to get a house to try something new on their roulette table like PFR. My hats are off to the Luck Bros. for accomplishing that with their Riverboat/Rainbow Roulette concepts......it is extremely difficult.
Galaxy ought to be able to get it on the floor of a few houses and then the proof will be in the pudding, that pudding being drop/win/hold numbers before and after the game is installed. I think multi-spin roulette has a niche alongside the regular game and when I saw that football bonus concept fully implemented in an electronic format at last year's G2E, I was like, "PFR is way better than that bonus concept.......why hasn't someone picked up DJ's PFR?". To which the answer is "now they have!!".
I do hope that you get to see your little baby in action so hopefully the trial install(s) are relatively close to you. My guess is they will be Vegas or West Coast, so you may have another trip ahead of you. I can tell you there is nothing like seeing players play and win at your game......definitely spend the dollars when it goes live and get yourself there!!
It will be great to see the game on the floor of G2E and perhaps Raving as well......that will be another big milestone!! Congrats and best wishes!!!
May 30th, 2015 at 6:36:48 PM
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Many thanks to you all.
Ditto. I wish them the best of luck. I don't know if I would have had the balls to try the indie route, even if I had the time and money to do so.
I don't think I ever mentioned this, but a couple hours before going to Galaxy's office for that meeting, I ran into the Lucks' parents in Bally's. They wished me luck at the meeting, and we talked about conquering the roulette world. After all, with the thousands of roulette tables in this country alone, we agreed that there's no reason we can't each take half. LOL.
Yeah, I saw that football game too. I loved it because it proved to me that I'm not the only one who thinks the roulette world needs a good side bet. Too bad that football game isn't it.
Yeah, I'm ready to travel no matter where that first install will be.
Looking forward to it. I already have my G2E trip booked. Raving is on the calendar, but I'm on the fence about which day to travel.
Quote: ParadigmMy hats are off to the Luck Bros. for accomplishing that [via the indie route] with their Riverboat/Rainbow Roulette concepts......it is extremely difficult.
Ditto. I wish them the best of luck. I don't know if I would have had the balls to try the indie route, even if I had the time and money to do so.
I don't think I ever mentioned this, but a couple hours before going to Galaxy's office for that meeting, I ran into the Lucks' parents in Bally's. They wished me luck at the meeting, and we talked about conquering the roulette world. After all, with the thousands of roulette tables in this country alone, we agreed that there's no reason we can't each take half. LOL.
Quote: Paradigm...when I saw that football bonus concept fully implemented in an electronic format at last year's G2E, I was like, "PFR is way better than that bonus concept.....
Yeah, I saw that football game too. I loved it because it proved to me that I'm not the only one who thinks the roulette world needs a good side bet. Too bad that football game isn't it.
Quote: ParadigmI do hope that you get to see your little baby in action so hopefully the trial install(s) are relatively close to you. My guess is they will be Vegas or West Coast, so you may have another trip ahead of you. I can tell you there is nothing like seeing players play and win at your game......definitely spend the dollars when it goes live and get yourself there!!
Yeah, I'm ready to travel no matter where that first install will be.
Quote: ParadigmIt will be great to see the game on the floor of G2E and perhaps Raving as well......that will be another big milestone!! Congrats and best wishes!!!
Looking forward to it. I already have my G2E trip booked. Raving is on the calendar, but I'm on the fence about which day to travel.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
May 30th, 2015 at 9:54:44 PM
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Congratulations DJ, good you hung in there. Did Dan start his own gaming company yet?
May 31st, 2015 at 4:51:04 AM
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Congrats DJTeddyBear! I really enjoyed reading your write up. I've never heard of "right of first refusal" but it makes sense why a company would put this in place. I had a great conversation about a week ago with a person from Galaxy Gaming regarding my video poker games and I'm hoping to continue talking with them to see if we have some opportunities to work together. It's great to know there are a vast number of companies out there looking for great products. Please keep us updated on your progress.
May 31st, 2015 at 5:57:43 AM
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Quote: allinriverkingCongratulations DJ, good you hung in there. Did Dan start his own gaming company yet?
I've had a gaming company with a partner that pre-dated Galaxy, since 2010. I have several games (aside from EZ Pai Gow), that I will now try to get moving.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
May 31st, 2015 at 10:15:55 AM
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Quote: PaigowdanI've had a gaming company with a partner that pre-dated Galaxy, since 2010. I have several games (aside from EZ Pai Gow), that I will now try to get moving.
I knew of this, DJ said you didn't work for Galaxy anymore, at least that's the way I took what he said...
May 31st, 2015 at 10:54:15 AM
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I'm sure I said this many times before (we old folk repeat ourselves a lot) but when you get your first install let me know the pertinent details and I'll be happy to write it up on the Odds site.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” -- Carl Sagan
