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Using the popular three card poker game as a platform a new table game crazy joker three card poker has been developed.
Quote: crazyJokerFinally a new vision has arose for Table games.
Using the popular three card poker game as a platform a new table game crazy joker three card poker has been developed.
http://crazyjokergaming.com/
http://crazyjokergaming.com/videos/
It looks like fun - and that laugh. Wow! I played it over a few times. Here's hoping that one of our understanding administrators will give you guidance on the rules and policies here so that you will be able to continue posting about your game. That is, of course, assuming that you are not a one time hit and run poster.
Wrong.Quote: crazyJokerIts truly the next big thing in casinos...
As I said in the other thread you posted your games, get rid of the sound when the site is opened. Very bad choice.
You're in for a tough time. the features you are counting on being a game changer, lights and sound, will be no real factor.
Also, unfortunately, I think you are about 5 or 10 years too late on this game. Three Card Poker tables are beginning to be replaced by more interesting and fun variations using additional cards and adding additional games.
And, unless you've done some serious investigating/negotiating, you might be tied up in court for a while for using the words "Three Card Poker" and "Pair Plus" on your game.
Good luck to you though. You never know...
ZCore13
You cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Quote: crazyJokerZcore 13 you obviously know very little about the progression of table games. The only new games found in major casinos are variants of the same old games poket blackjack..etc
You cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Zcore is actually a table games director who has placed new side bets/games before, and surely considered a number of others. The statement that all successful games are close to others, then pointing out that no others have the lights/sound as something beneficial seems a bit contradictory. I think zcore was referring to 3cp becoming somewhat less popular over time and poker variants like uth, Mississippi stud, and a few others that are gaining traction that have more potential outcomes without being too complicated becoming more popular.
Hope the game does well for you.
I can name about a dozen. If you think you're the first game designer to use signage and an electronic bonus bet, I've got some bad news for you.Quote: crazyJokerYou cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Plus, when given the choice to play a game that doesn't involve a demonic clown, most people will.
Please stand by.
Crazyjoker, please take a look at these rules in the mean time. Thank you.
EDIT: CrazyJoker is suspended 1 week, as a first offense, selling without permission, minor forum spamming, and dupe ID's. Please do return (under this ID; don't make any more). We are leaving the links up for further discussion and reference, and moving the thread to the Game Inventor's Corner.
Quote: crazyJokerZcore 13 you obviously know very little about the progression of table games. The only new games found in major casinos are variants of the same old games poket blackjack..etc
You cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Obviously, not only are casino executive arrogant, so are some table games developers.
I know you, crazyJoker, have spent a lot of money and effort to get to this point, but don't take constructive criticism, as an attack on you or your game. You can prove everyone wrong and get the last laugh.
Also, I don't see anything said by him to have him restricted either.
Zcore is one of the best new game evaluators around. Best? because he is on the operational side and he is passionate and supportive about new games. One better listens.Quote: crazyJokerZcore 13 you obviously know very little about the progression of table games. The only new games found in major casinos are variants of the same old games poket blackjack..etc
You cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Quote: AceCrAAckersObviously, not only are casino executive arrogant, so are some table games developers.
I know you, crazyJoker, have spent a lot of money and effort to get to this point, but don't take constructive criticism, as an attack on you or your game. You can prove everyone wrong and get the last laugh.
Also, I don't see anything said by him to have him restricted either.
The only thing I see is first post shilling something, and also should have put it in the game development area.
Since no one can actually buy his product, at least not directly, I'd give him a pass on it. Not that big a deal.
Quote: AceCrAAckersI know you, crazyJoker, have spent a lot of money and effort to get to this point, but don't take constructive criticism, as an attack on you or your game.
Not all money and effort are well-spent. For example, I wouldn't ever spend money to print a layout that contained the ® (registered trademark) symbol on a phrase or design that wasn't actually a registered trademark. I *would* spend money on an IP attorney, however...
Quote: AceCrAAckersObviously, not only are casino executive arrogant, so are some table games developers.
I know you, crazyJoker, have spent a lot of money and effort to get to this point, but don't take constructive criticism, as an attack on you or your game. You can prove everyone wrong and get the last laugh.
Also, I don't see anything said by him to have him restricted either.
They can always get him on rule 5 if they want to. Many have broken it, some have been suspended for it.
Quote: crazyJokerZcore 13 you obviously know very little about the progression of table games. The only new games found in major casinos are variants of the same old games poket blackjack..etc
You cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Ummmm...but....THIS is a variant of an old poker game. 3 card poker, which is losing popularity. The lights and sounds don't save you. And, really, are you sure those are the joker rules you want? 3-8-* is a pair of eights, but 8-8-* is also a pair of eights? 7s-8c-* is a straight, but 7s-8s-* is also just a straight? That is neither fun nor intuitive...
Quote: crazyJokerZcore 13 you obviously know very little about the progression of table games. The only new games found in major casinos are variants of the same old games poket blackjack..etc
You cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Check that, he's your potential customer and one that is very much on the front lines of new games that have been placed live in casino floors across the US, including his own floor.
Quote: MathExtremistIf you think you're the first game designer to use signage and an electronic bonus bet, I've got some bad news for you.
ME has been around developing games for a long time and I have found his memory to be quite accurate.......so I would definitely trust him on this one!
The real question here is whether or not table game players care about a rotating table sign that flashes lights that emits sound when the dealer presses a button upon the occurrence of some event in the live game?
Along this line, we need some actual dealers to weigh in and let us know how thrilled they will be when asked to "press the green button when this happens and press the red button when this happens"........that may be a sticking point with the Crazy Joker sales team on the front lines......and by that I mean the deal staff, not the salesman trying to convince the DTG to install the game. No one can kill a game faster than the deal staff assigned to a new game table.
I don't think the lights/sounds/movement matter to table games players and the first responses here also are to the negative but......."the proof is in the pudding" as they say, so I am waiting for a listing of casinos that have Crazy Joker Poker games on the floor. Certainly the revolution has begun!
Finally, at the end of the information video for Crazy Joker Three Card Poker is the "first casino game with a face"........ahhhh, that's not true and I can think of several games offhand that prove this statement to be inaccurate.
Quote: ParadigmThe real question here is whether or not table game players care about a rotating table sign that flashes lights that emits sound when the dealer presses a button upon the occurrence of some event in the live game?
Not merely "no", but "hell no!"
Proof?
Ask anyone who's played the bubble craps how much he wants to kill someone whenever he hears the phrase "push the button!" And that's a voice that's supposed to be pleasant!
Casinos are already a noisy environment with plenty of flashing lights. We don't need more.
Quote: DJTeddyBear
Casinos are already a noisy environment with plenty of flashing lights. We don't need more.
Amen to that. I hate when slots are
right on top of table games and some
inbreeder sits there at a penny slot
while it goes ding ding ding ding for
5min as he watches it pay $300 in
pennies, slack jawed. He knows how
to stop it, but it's the most exciting
day of his life, so his arms paralyzed.
Quote: crazyJokerZcore 13 you obviously know very little about the progression of table games. The only new games found in major casinos are variants of the same old games poket blackjack..etc
You cant name a single game which has light sound and movement along with an interactive device can you ?
Well, here's just one of a few... Count's Kustoms Blackjack
It was shown at last years Raving Table Games Conference. Same type of screen you have attached to the table. If player gets a blackjack they get to push a button very similar to yours. The screen lights up and makes noises, much like your revolutionary idea.
Aside from that, many others have already said very well most of what can be said about your game. As I mentioned, I wish you luck.
ZCore13
Quote: Ibeatyouraces7 days for the duplicate ID's? What happened to the automatic nuke?
1. He hasn't attempted to post under the dupe ID, he just made one before he was suspended (both ID's within minutes of each other), so there's a question of his intent in doing so. Could have been a sign-in glitch that he couldn't resolve and didn't know what else to do.
2. He's new and obviously didn't read the rules before he posted, so we're giving him a little room for "newbie errors" rather than a nuke.
3. There is interest from the forum in having the discussion, and some good information being brought out, so it seems worth giving him the opportunity to continue the conversation after his return.
EDIT: Since this decision was made, he did sign in under his dupe ID, which is also banned (that one permanently), so the leeway given on 1. above for positive intent on his part is retracted. I'm leaving the 7 days in place, but any further dupe ID's will result in a nuke.
If Three card poker enters into the public domain in a matter of months, then how is adding a joker patentable under the doctrine of equivalents, as that would be public domain also. This is besides the fact that joker-based three card poker has already been done long ago.
So, this isn't a new invention, and cannot be patented, as this also has already been done before via Pai Gow Mania, where you play "joker" three card poker as a game, then get four more cards to play Pai Gow poker.
This "new invention" game is either a subset of someone else's patent, or is public domain. Casinos could just offer it with some clown faces and flashing lights and pay the real inventor and patent owner of the base game, or just offer it for free.
I don't see where this new joker fits in....ahh, Chef of the Future.......
Quote: IbeatyouracesOkie dokie. And just for the record, I wasn't complaining, just curious. Honestly, I couldn't care less how many ID's someone has.
It's all good. You asked (rightfully so) and I gave you a bit of the background discussion.
Quote: PaigowdanNo chance on this, me thinks.
If Three card poker enters into the public domain in a matter of months, then how is adding a joker patentable under the doctrine of equivalents, as that would be public domain also. This is besides the fact that joker-based three card poker has already been done long ago.
So, this isn't a new invention, and cannot be patented, as this also has already been done before via Pai Gow Mania, where you play "joker" three card poker as a game, then get four more cards to play Pai Gow poker.
This "new invention" game is either a subset of someone else's patent, or is public domain. Casinos could just offer it with some clown faces and flashing lights and pay the real inventor and patent owner of the base game, or just offer it for free.
I don't see where this new joker fits in....ahh, Chef of the Future.......
Yeah, this is a lot of my concern also. There's an awful lot of marketing on the back of another product with its own copyrights and patents. I do realize there's going to be a patent timeout in the near future, but still...
Quote: ontariodealerchef of the future, one of my all time fave episodes. Yes it can core A apple.
Ha ha...a happy life through television ;)
Quote: beachbumbabs[on "new" new inventions...]
Yeah, this is a lot of my concern also. There's an awful lot of marketing on the back of another product with its own copyrights and patents. I do realize there's going to be a patent timeout in the near future, but still...
A bona fide new game mechanism, - a really legitimate new humdinger - is key to making it new.
So I do not believe that adding flashing table lights, or adding a joker back into a deck, really count as a bona fide new invention.
That did it, you're off my Xmas list for good.Quote: Ibeatyouraces. Honestly, I couldn't care less how many ID's someone has.
Quote: IbeatyouracesOkie dokie. And just for the record, I wasn't complaining, just curious. Honestly, I couldn't care less how many ID's someone has.
Neither could I. You'd be surprised to see how many have registered here under multiple IDs, many of whom are still here.
For the record, I didn't see crazyJoker selling anything as claimed in the Suspension List. I hope he returns after his suspension. I want to hear about his Crazy Joker Yo Eleven craps game. Hope its got the laugh. :-)
Quote: Paradigm
The real question here is whether or not table game players care about a rotating table sign that flashes lights that emits sound when the dealer presses a button upon the occurrence of some event in the live game?
Along this line, we need some actual dealers to weigh in and let us know how thrilled they will be when asked to "press the green button when this happens and press the red button when this happens"........that may be a sticking point with the Crazy Joker sales team on the front lines......and by that I mean the deal staff, not the salesman trying to convince the DTG to install the game. No one can kill a game faster than the deal staff assigned to a new game table.
It seems very gimmicky to me. And from a dealers point of view, i can see that green button and laugh getting annoying real fast.
Holy crap! What a monumentally bad idea.
Even the video proves my point.
The first two times the crazy joker is doing it's thing, it is drowning out the voice-over. The third time, someone decided to not include the joker's audio. Don't these two things suggest how bad of an idea it is?Quote: DJTeddyBearCasinos are already a noisy environment with plenty of flashing lights. We don't need more.
I can see how it goes in live play. OK. Someone got the joker. Now let's press this button so the sign starts to blink and make noise, basically to both distract you and make it so you can't hear yourself think for a moment.
Really: Who wants that?
Forgetting the sign for a moment, the joker can be used to make pairs, but not three of a kind? What kind of whacky rule is that?
And I love the last part of the video. Because the sign is rotating, it will attract people from the entire casino floor. As in, "Oooh, honey, look: There's hundreds of table signs, but that one is rotating. Oooh, let's go there." Seriously? Just how delusional are these, ahem, 'inventors'?
Last, but certainly not to be overlooked, where did they find cards that have no faces or pips? Anyone who knows anything about the history of playing cards knows that originally they had pips and faces, but no index. These people are using cards with index but no faces or pips. WTF?
At least they spared us the image of a very bored dealer's head as someone else does the monotone voice-over...
Quote: DJTeddyBearI finally had a chance to watch the video.
Holy crap! What a monumentally bad idea.
Even the video proves my point.The first two times the crazy joker is doing it's thing, it is drowning out the voice-over. The third time, someone decided to not include the joker's audio. Don't these two things suggest how bad of an idea it is?
I can see how it goes in live play. OK. Someone got the joker. Now let's press this button so the sign starts to blink and make noise, basically to both distract you and make it so you can't hear yourself think for a moment.
Really: Who wants that?
Forgetting the sign for a moment, the joker can be used to make pairs, but not three of a kind? What kind of whacky rule is that?
And I love the last part of the video. Because the sign is rotating, it will attract people from the entire casino floor. As in, "Oooh, honey, look: There's hundreds of table signs, but that one is rotating. Oooh, let's go there." Seriously? Just how delusional are these, ahem, 'inventors'?
Last, but certainly not to be overlooked, where did they find cards that have no faces or pips? Anyone who knows anything about the history of playing cards knows that originally they had pips and faces, but no index. These people are using cards with index but no faces or pips. WTF?
At least they spared us the image of a very bored dealer's head as someone else does the monotone voice-over...
My guess is that the joker doesn't fill the higher-value hands so that they can keep standard pair-plus odds on the larger wins, not dilute them like using a fully-wild joker would require. But I agree, it's an unusual paytable.
Stuff like the sound-and-swivel-sign are just wasted on me. Perhaps you have to BE wasted to think they're fun even once. There was/is a BJ sidebet that has an electronic wheel you got to spin (you were passed the button to start it) if you had a hand, maybe a blackjack, I don't recall, and you got paid the amount the wheel landed on. Back at least 20 years. That got old fast; I think I lasted an hour at the table, walked away, never played it again. This feels similar.
Quote: beachbumbabsMy guess is that the joker doesn't fill the higher-value hands so that they can keep standard pair-plus odds on the larger wins, not dilute them like using a fully-wild joker would require. But I agree, it's an unusual paytable.
Stuff like the sound-and-swivel-sign are just wasted on me. Perhaps you have to BE wasted to think they're fun even once. There was/is a BJ sidebet that has an electronic wheel you got to spin (you were passed the button to start it) if you had a hand, maybe a blackjack, I don't recall, and you got paid the amount the wheel landed on. Back at least 20 years. That got old fast; I think I lasted an hour at the table, walked away, never played it again. This feels similar.
This is the whole concept behind the platform AGS uses for Its Counts Kustoms BJ bet. I believe they purchased the technology/IP & are using it first in the Counts Kustoms branding effort. I did notice the concept, pre-AGS at Seminole Coconut Creek in FL. People were putting up a buck to get a chance at pushing the button and winning a $$ prize based on the spin. With a 1 in 21 hand hit rate, it didn't seem very exciting to me....but to each his own!
Quote: ParadigmThis is the whole concept behind the platform AGS uses for Its Counts Kustoms BJ bet. I believe they purchased the technology/IP & are using it first in the Counts Kustoms branding effort. I did notice the concept, pre-AGS at Seminole Coconut Creek in FL. People were putting up a buck to get a chance at pushing the button and winning a $$ prize based on the spin. With a 1 in 21 hand hit rate, it didn't seem very exciting to me....but to each his own!
I've seen this idea before in multiple places; Circus Circus and some cruise ships have/had the Wheel of Madness bet, and Count's Kustoms at the Tropicana.
At the Trop, it was 5$ for prizes that ranged from about 60ish to the low hundreds, with the jackpot being a custom bike. Receive an ace, pays 2 for 1; blackjack lets you spin it. Everybody at the table was playing it, regardless of their bet size and seemed to be having a fun time with it. (6:5, CSM table... ugh.)
Personally, I like the Wheel of Fortune-style event and would like to see a version that had a high hit rate (or better yet, no separate sidebet [made up for in other ways]).
There's a lot I'm not liking about CJ3CP for various reasons:
Rotating, blinking sign, sure. Whatever. Don't really care about it. From the view of the establishment, it's another piece of equipment that'd be annoying to fix/replace if it breaks.
The talking. Kind of annoying. Can't even tell what it said for the dead hand. More equipment to break. Imagine if every table was talking. ;_;
Why make the joker bet optional if it can stick you with a dead hand? And comes to that, if I'm not going to bet it, why aren't I sitting at normal 3CP, instead of trying to learn something similar-but-not-quite where I don't have to worry about being DOA?
If I were a dealer, I'd get tired of this really fast. (But I feel the same way about the progressive buttons, and those seem to have caught on really well.)
Straight/Flush joker only feels kind of weird, but discussed reasons make sense. Might as well take a line from PGP and make it an ace also though, so people won't get messed up going between the games.
It doesn't feel like any kind of compelling improvement over the base game. Compared to BJ: Switch, Freebet, Double Attack, Ties Win and Double Exposure all address specific issues that people have with the base game. (About the only issue I can't come up a game that solves it is 'Dealer's hand is resolved last', but I remember people were trying to work out a version with an acceptable HE.) This is more like a minor VP variant, except VP variants are comparatively easy to release, being primarily software. This requires a lot of custom equipment, training and floor space for something that's just not very different and, as far as I can tell, not particularly compelling.
Quote: beachbumbabsMy guess is that the joker doesn't fill the higher-value hands so that they can keep standard pair-plus odds on the larger wins, not dilute them like using a fully-wild joker would require. But I agree, it's an unusual paytable.
Stuff like the sound-and-swivel-sign are just wasted on me. Perhaps you have to BE wasted to think they're fun even once. There was/is a BJ sidebet that has an electronic wheel you got to spin (you were passed the button to start it) if you had a hand, maybe a blackjack, I don't recall, and you got paid the amount the wheel landed on. Back at least 20 years. That got old fast; I think I lasted an hour at the table, walked away, never played it again. This feels similar.
I agree. I actually don't mind the game being played with the joker, but I think the joker sign and sound would get old in a hurry.
Quote: WizardIn my experience, most casino game inventors are extremely optimistic about their chances of success.
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The greater the level of confidence of a game inventor, the worse his game generally is.
