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petroglyph
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August 28th, 2014 at 3:39:18 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

If you (a) accept that you're going to lose in the long run and (b) book your own bets for the first leg of the parlay, you simply place chips in special positions on the rail and you bank your own action.

So I would suggest you put four chips next to each other if you want to play all the hardways. As soon as one of them hits, you take ten more dollars and throw in an $11 for a hard 6/8 or 8 more dollars to make $9 for the 4/10 when it hits and have the house book the next leg.

It's just that simple. You won't win or lose any money (in the long run) on the bets that you act as the banker for compared to 2.78% edge loss per roll if you have the house book that leg. The bets only go to the felt once the first hit is made.

You act as both the player and casino/banker for the first hits. If you always parlay, and you accept that you will not win on these in the long run (the most difficult part for some hardway betters to accept), you will realize that you are saving 2.78% of $4, $3, $2, or $1 action in the case when you would normally have those chips on the hardway bets and instead just have them on the rail.

IE: if the ONLY purpose of the initial dollar is to fund a parlay, why not bank those bets yourself to save the money? In every single case that the hardway parlay strategy would win, you will win MORE money with this technique. You can lose more using the technique compared to booking the first leg of the parlay on the felt. But not in the long run, only in the short run.





And when you book the first leg yourself, you save a lot when they come easy
Ahigh
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August 28th, 2014 at 4:05:28 PM permalink
I could chart out the graph for this strategy compared to the other for random numbers. It could be quite a long time before you saw the advantage of one over the other. But guaranteed my technique will save money in the long run. In fact, it should the same amount of money, in the long run, as the bet being proposed in the OP assuming you take the bet down after the first parlay hit and/or consider resolution at the same conditions (EG: after first parlay hit).
allinriverking
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August 28th, 2014 at 4:49:52 PM permalink
Quote: wudged

The edge on the original wager is still present. The goal is to increase action on the hardways bets for people who typically seldom bet them or not at all.

If the bet can't be easily explained to a forum of gambling enthusiasts, it's never going to fly in the casino.



Explanation on live game:

Bet a hardway - win as normal when it hits the first time, leave it play or press it up, up to a true parlay, and win true-odds if the hardway hits a second time. After a hardway wins true-odds, the bet starts over as a regular hardway.
allinriverking
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August 28th, 2014 at 4:59:56 PM permalink
Why would a casino want these?

1) 2 to 4 out of 10 people that don't play hardways say they will play these hardways (depends on which poll)

2) Players that normally move their hardway to another one after being paid or more apt to leave that bet knowing they are going to receive more money if it hits. If they still want the other hardway they will get it out of their bankroll.

3) It's something different to offer players, that benefits the player. This may make players bring their action to a place that at least attempts to give something to their players.
AxelWolf
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August 28th, 2014 at 6:57:23 PM permalink
Quote: allinriverking

I've been told by numerous dice players that wont play hardways, because they consider them sucker bets. They think the house edge is too high. You can reduce house edge dramatically by making a true parlay.. As well as stop players from moving a winning hardway to another, if they want that other hardway they may choose to make it out of their rail money instead of moving hardways around.

It wont help the casino that much. People usually have x amount of money to gamble with. If people are already betting the hardways bets why mess with them? If you encourage non hardways bettors to bet this because it has a lower HA. that will just take away from other bets they might make. Offering new games or bets wont magically add money to peoples pockets when they first come.
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allinriverking
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August 28th, 2014 at 7:23:03 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It wont help the casino that much. People usually have x amount of money to gamble with. If people are already betting the hardways bets why mess with them? If you encourage non hardways bettors to bet this because it has a lower HA. that will just take away from other bets they might make. Offering new games or bets wont magically add money to peoples pockets when they first come.



You're right everyone only plays a set amount they bring with them to the casino, there are defintely no atm's at casinos either, and there is no reason to invent any new bets or games because people only want to play what they are familiar with.... (sarc)
allinriverking
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August 28th, 2014 at 7:25:06 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It wont help the casino that much. People usually have x amount of money to gamble with. If people are already betting the hardways bets why mess with them? If you encourage non hardways bettors to bet this because it has a lower HA. that will just take away from other bets they might make. Offering new games or bets wont magically add money to peoples pockets when they first come.



And right it will take money away from the bets they are placing that has no house edge or lower edge to begin with...
Buzzard
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August 28th, 2014 at 8:10:55 PM permalink
Reason for not adding this bet " NEVER SMARTEN UP A CHUMP " !


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