DRich
DRich
Joined: Jul 6, 2012
  • Threads: 75
  • Posts: 7359
June 25th, 2014 at 2:06:23 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

Around $500 for a Blackjack variation. Higher for poker variations in general, up to $1,800 for some of the main ones. 3CP leading the rates at an even higher lease fee.

$100-$300 for a side wager depending on it's success. I believe that '21+3' leads this with rates higher than usual.

Don't forget to add another $600 if you want to lease a shuffling machine for the game as well.



Thank you, that is very helpful. I am a little surprised that a single slot machine commands higher lease fees than a table with six or seven seats.

I thought many years ago when I did some work with Derek Webb i had heard that Three Card Poker was doing around $1500.
Order from chaos
Nareed
Nareed
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
  • Threads: 373
  • Posts: 11413
June 25th, 2014 at 2:42:14 PM permalink
I think I care more about good games than what form they take.

Last time in vegas, after a while I only played real craps when I wanted to bet more than 2X odds. Other than that,a nd the lower minimums, suually, for bubble craps, there's really very little difference in how I enjoy the game.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
FleaStiff
FleaStiff
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
  • Threads: 265
  • Posts: 14484
June 25th, 2014 at 3:10:37 PM permalink
That is a good argument for the casinos not limiting themselves or trying to exclude any particular market segment.

And there are always "spouses and spouse equivalents" so interviewing gamblers may not always be the best option because a gambler's spouse often makes the decisions and spends money too.

Casinos deal with a nightly ebb and flow of a crowd and often have to shift crews around. Casinos just can't lock themselves into any long term expectations but must be ready to deal with all trends and fads amongst customers.
Buzzard
Buzzard
Joined: Oct 28, 2012
  • Threads: 90
  • Posts: 6814
June 26th, 2014 at 3:00:25 PM permalink
YEAH, BUT THEY DON'T. Walk into a casino with empty $25 BJ tables and ask why the minimum is $25. Management will tell you because it's FRiday night. DUH
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
FleaStiff
FleaStiff
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
  • Threads: 265
  • Posts: 14484
June 26th, 2014 at 4:35:01 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

. Management will tell you ...

As you said. Management. Ain't nothin' worse for a casino to have management that didn't climb through the ranks. MBA managers never listen to dealers. Dealers don't earn tokes at empty tables. Dealers earn tokes at tables with minimum bets that are appropriate for that market. A full table at ten dollars beats an empty table at ANY amount. If you run a casino, keep your dealers as happy as you can. Happy dealers make for pleasant experiences for the players. Players can win or lose but if they are relatively happy they will dig a bit deeper into their pockets for you. Broke morose dealers standing at an empty table for half their shift cost the casino money.
Tomspur
Tomspur
Joined: Jul 12, 2013
  • Threads: 28
  • Posts: 2019
June 26th, 2014 at 4:48:43 PM permalink
3CP in 2005/6 was $480 per table per month. I would assume it has gone up appreciably from that spot. In the casino I'm currently in we negotiated and purchased the rights to the game for this property. I believe the deal was around the early 7 figures.
“There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.” - Winston Churchill
AcesAndEights
AcesAndEights
Joined: Jan 5, 2012
  • Threads: 67
  • Posts: 4299
June 28th, 2014 at 10:22:11 AM permalink
Quote: Tomspur

3CP in 2005/6 was $480 per table per month. I would assume it has gone up appreciably from that spot. In the casino I'm currently in we negotiated and purchased the rights to the game for this property. I believe the deal was around the early 7 figures.


Isn't 3CP in the public domain now, if you don't run any of the progressives or anything? I'm surprised more casinos aren't just dealing vanilla 3CP and not paying the table fee. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the parts of the game that require royalty payments.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
June 28th, 2014 at 11:01:51 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Isn't 3CP in the public domain now, if you don't run any of the progressives or anything? I'm surprised more casinos aren't just dealing vanilla 3CP and not paying the table fee. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the parts of the game that require royalty payments.


No, not yet.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Deucekies
Deucekies
Joined: Jan 20, 2014
  • Threads: 49
  • Posts: 1245
June 28th, 2014 at 11:49:14 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

No, not yet.


Next year, right?
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland. And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with. - AxelWolf and Mickeycrimm
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
June 28th, 2014 at 1:06:24 PM permalink
I think almost two years.

I will say Three Card Poker had the most incredible run of any proprietary game, and has become a Casino Pit "permanent standard" like Pai Gow Poker or BJ or Craps.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.

  • Jump to: