New Game: Roulette Multiples

Hi Everyone,

Welcome to the next stage of New Game ' How to go from concept to reality' in Las Vegas.

Thanks to all your help I have tweaked our game and now awaiting approval from the 'Nevada State Gaming Control Board'

So whats the game called? Roulette Multiples

In one sentence: RM is a roulette side bet that allows you to bet on multiplication on the the outcome of the ball, e.g. if you bet on a multiple of 10 and 10, 20 or 30 comes out you win! Or if 10 comes out then the bets that will win are 2,5,10.

What are the rules? The side bet is numbered from 2 through 12
The roulette ball will need to land on the multiples of the bet number for the player to win their bet.

Odds/Payout:

Multiples Row Bet
2 2:1 1:1
3 3:1 2:1
4 4:1 3:1
5 5:1 4:1
6 6:1 5:1
7 7:1 6:1
8 9:1 8:1
9 9:1 8:1
10 12:1 11:1
11 12:1 11:1
12 12:1 11:1


House Edge: The house edge stays the same as traditional roulette but increases from 2.70% to 5.41% in single zero roulette on the multiples 5 and 7 (they only divide into 35) and increases from 5.26% to 7.89% when playing double zero roulette.

Firstly what do you think of the game (if your going to rape me, be gentle) The idea is that this is a missing piece, you can put chips on every black number, 1 - 18 and all odd numbers in the inside bet or for your convenience you can place your chips on the outside bet, but there is nothing for multiples....until now.

Secondly: what are your recommendations go straight to a distributor like Bally or test it out in casinos first? What about the online world?

Thirdly: Should I extend the patent to the EU etc? I have a few weeks left till my 1 year is up!

Finally I would like to thank everybody that has participated and helped me in (in no particular order) EvenBob, Beachbumbabs, Paigowdan, Ucivan, Jon, Buzzard, Math Extremist, Lucky, Switch. I wont name the people that private messaged me but thank you too! But I will say a special thanks to the Wizard for providing this great platform if it wasn't for him I and many others would never have got this far.

Hi IGRM,

I don't think you need the Multiples of 2, which is the same as even-number bet on any Roulette.

Quote: MrCasinoGames

Hi IGRM,

I don't think you need the Multiples of 2, which is the same as even-number bet on any Roulette.

Hi Steven,

You are absolutely right, I was interested to know what people would say about that. Do you have any tips on how to go online as I see you have been successful in doing so!

I think you're wasting your time and money.

There is nothing unique or exciting about this bet, so no incentive for a player to bet it.

And, since a player can easily just bet the numbers covered by the multiple, there's no real need for this. Therefore, why would a casino pay you to allow a player to put a chip here rather than there, particularly when in most cases, it doesn't give them any addition edge?

Quote: MrCasinoGames

Hi IGRM,

I don't think you need the Multiples of 2, which is the same as even-number bet on any Roulette.

Similarly, the third column is the same as the 3 multiple.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I think you're wasting your time and money.

This is a universal truth for table game development, but you have a unique expertise in the wisdom of this truth for roulette. Roulette is a perfect game as it stands.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I think you're wasting your time and money.

There is nothing unique or exciting about this bet, so no incentive for a player to bet it.

And, since a player can easily just bet the numbers covered by the multiple, there's no real need for this. Therefore, why would a casino pay you to allow a player to put a chip here rather than there, particularly when in most cases, it doesn't give them any addition edge?

Thanks for your feedback, if that was the case then players would not use the outside bets. It gives players the ability to bet with different odds. Its not exciting as in the game isn't flashing with colors, it simple, easy to explain and understand and that's why it will work.

The issues are as we all know, new games are complex the exciting ones are not used by the sharks and therefore fail because the casinos aren't making as much money as they can. This is simple and easy enough with nothing too new that they would play it. This game is engineered from what people have said are the reasons why people fail....except for the rule 'don't change roulette' I didn't, the doubleluck brothers have and they doing incredibly.

Quote: IGRM

Thanks for your feedback, if that was the case then players would not use the outside bets.

Have to ever noticed that real roulette player generally only bet inside bets and only the casual passer-by bets outside?

Your idea is, essentially, a new outside bet.

Quote: IGRM

... the rule 'don't change roulette' I didn't, the doubleluck brothers have and they doing incredibly.

Whoa! They did NOT change the game. They merely added to it. A player CAN go to their game and play standard roulette, completely ignoring their additions. Ditto for my own game, Poker For Roulette.

Wanna talk about change, look for Alphabet Roulette.



Bottom line: I don't share your enthusiasm for your game, but wish you luck nonetheless.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Have to ever noticed that real roulette player generally only bet inside bets and only the casual passer-by bets outside?

Your idea is, essentially, a new outside bet.



Whoa! They did NOT change the game. They merely added to it. A player CAN go to their game and play standard roulette, completely ignoring their additions. Ditto for my own game, Poker For Roulette.

Wanna talk about change, look for Alphabet Roulette.



Bottom line: I don't share your enthusiasm for your game, but wish you luck nonetheless.

Thank you, they didn't change the game but they did change the appearance of the board, RM will just be a side bet at the bottom.

One of the things I have to go through in my work, is the expectations, even denial, of new game inventors. It is very hard to assess the true beauty of one's own kid, to be present outside of Daddy's eyes.

It's a very rough uphill battle. The more you change the game, - the more alien you make the game, - the more obstacles and pushback you'll get.

Roulette is the most change-resistant classical game on the floor. Craps and Baccarat are an oasis of flexibility by comparison, and BJ an absolute wh*re - with a gazillion variants and side bets. So you either have a tremendous amount resistance, or competition.

Be realistic. But in disagreement with Dave M., game design isn't a waste of time and money if unsuccessful, though it may be considered a waste of money alone. I say this because it's an interesting endeavor, an interesting experience, and worthwhile in that regard, if not crushed when not getting a hundred tables out overnight.

Quote: Paigowdan

But in disagreement with Dave M., game design isn't a waste of time and money.

That's not what I meant. You're right. It may not be wasted time or money. It can be a very rewarding and educational experience.

However, in my humble opinion, this idea will never get past a field trial. And I kinda doubt it will even get that far, unless you do it yourself.

True, I agree. People post their game ideas here with a few getting Yeahs, but many getting nays. You post on your games for our honest feedback.

Quote: Paigowdan

True, I agree. People post their game ideas here with a few getting Yeahs, but many getting nays. You post on your games for our honest feedback.

I did, and I am happy I did. Thanks guys for your feedback, it was these questions that will be asked and I am sure much much worse when I try to take it to the next stage, so I will take it in and decide my next steps. I'm not in the business of proving people wrong, you can spend your whole life doing that.

I actually came up with a much better idea once I spent the money, but hey it was cheaper than collage! So if any of you want to join me from the game creation world to the game security world let me know....normally I would go alone but I have blown half the intended budget!

IGRM,

Well, I'm a casual roulette player at best. I like your multiples bet for the convenience, because at a crowded table, instead of trying to get to every 4th spot and maybe missing one or not able to reach one end or the other, I like having the option of betting every 4th or 6th number (I'll be avoiding 5 and 7, thanks!) or whatever crosses my fancy. I also like that you did list 2's and 3's because of the logic of the bet layout, even though "even" and "column 3" duplicate the bet.

One possible negative would be making the dealers instantly recognize the factorials and multiples as wins and losses and sweep/pay correctly. I've never dealt the game, and I know they're multiplying constantly while paying, so their mind is already working that way; I can't evaluate whether it's a showstopper or just a little additional brain wattage required. Perhaps someone who's a roulette dealer will (or has) weighed in. The dealer'd have to recognize the primes above 12 as the numbers came up so they could do a clean sweep and move on, and know right away a 24 pays on 2-3-4-6-8-12 bets, all at different odds, and other tricky numbers. Right now, the table graphically does that work for them, but with this, what's easier for the player becomes much harder for the dealer.

Good luck with it! Got me curious about your move into security, but I can't say I have any experience in the area so have little to offer there.

I don't play roulette, but having said that, how is this is the missing piece in the game? Is there some incredible urge by roulette players to want to place bets on multiples of numbers? Aren't they accomplishing that now by simply placing a chip on every number they want to bet? Babs is correct, this is a convenience bet for players only as they can make the same wager in regular roulette right now.

The differential piece in Riverboat Roulette is the multi-roll feature....PFR has this as well and the 3 spin version of that game would work, were it only to have a good tracking method available. Riverboat doesn't need this for their colors bet and the rainbow bet to be added soon can be easily tracked.

I just don't see what incremental win you are going to add to the house by offering this game. You are going to add a new pay table for the dealers so you better be able to show a property why adding multiples will logically increase their win. Remember to factor relative house edges between Multiples and what is available in regular roulette. I believe Riverboat bets all have a higher HE than the standard 5.28%, so every dollar they syphon off the regular layout onto the colors earns the casino more theo win. Will multiples do that and if so how?

Note: I am not a roulette player, though I do occasionally Martingale pennies (as in 0.01$) on outside bets at machines when waiting for people.

I rather like it-- this lets me tag different number of numbers, at varying but appropriate odds, depending on how much I feel like risking at a given time. If this was on an actual table, I can picture it in my head as a separate box at the foot of the table. Having said that... I rather agree with the idea that this doesn't actually add anything novel and increases complexity. Maybe if it gets tacked onto digital roulette, where I suspect it's cheaper to change things (no new felts or training required) and they already have shortcuts I don't see at tables, like Tiers and Orphans.