3 TO 1 Blackjack opening in KC
There will also be a game demo available soon on our website. Charles Mousseau is currently working on it.
www.superstargaming.net
Best of luck, - you have a sweet BJ side bet here: simple, snappy concept, good hit rate, I like it a lot.
Charles is just great in developing a fine-looking, accurately-playing app, can't do better on this.
will touch base.
Dan.
Actually, Tim's current design is very clean and fun as is, me thinks. I think it'll be a hit.
It's typically the commercial / contractual / business issues, non-mathematical. I don;t think it has anything to do with paytables. Galaxy would not want to have the new 3-to-1 on its existing 21+3 tables, SHFL won;t let 3-to-1 on Pair-Square tables, etc. Players just have to accept it - the reality of first come first get served.Quote: DeucekiesIncredibly simple, which is a good thing. Without having the math in front of me, I wonder if it's necessary for 3 to 1 BJ and 7 to 1 BJ to be two different games. Can't they coexist on one pay table?
Quote: TnT233 TO 1 Blackjack is opening up tomorrow night (Friday, April 11th) at the Ameristar-Kansas City with (4) tables on the upstairs level of the casino.
Yessssssssssssssssss!!!!! Way to go Tim. Player participation rates will dictate if the property moves it downstairs. It can happen....go get 'em!!
how much is the presumed 3 to 1 pay on BJ worth in itself?
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this appears to be a side bet
Quote: ams288How does it work if they make the 3 to 1 bet, get a colored pair, split, and win one but lose the other?
From Raving I recall that the 3-1 stays with the first of the split hands. Is that right Tim?
Quote: ParadigmFrom Raving I recall that the 3-1 stays with the first of the split hands. Is that right Tim?
I'm tempted to add "Who cares if its right or not". Remember all that HOT AIR and the occasional fist fights generated by this 6:5 versus 3:2 stuff? Well, how much commotion do you think is going to be generated by this 3:2 versus 3:1 stuff. Do you really need the details and the size of the type or number of tables or main bet/side bet data? Everybody who knows math is going to be interested in it. Everybody who doesn't know math but thinks he does is going to be interested in it. Everybody who shows up is going to ask about it. And go looking for it... and play whatever they can find that is open whether its 3:1 blackjack or Bingo. They are going to visit the casino and bring their money. That is what the casino wants.
it is a side bet, right?
I haven't looked at this for AP, but it seems like a simple red/black count should work. Anyone want to post a link with game specs (e.g. what happens on a split)? Maybe Charles has done the AP math and can comment.Quote: ParadigmYes, this is a side bet. Not a regular BJ game that pays 3-1 on Blackjack. You make the bet and qualify to win if your first two cards are the same color. If they are and you beat the dealer in the hand, the side bet pays 3-1.
Tim, what are the side bet limits? The side bet could be countable, but not profitable.Quote: TnT233 TO 1 Blackjack is opening up tomorrow night (Friday, April 11th) at the Ameristar-Kansas City with (4) tables on the upstairs level of the casino. While upstairs the 3 TO 1 Blackjack tables will only be open on the weekends. Although I live in Kansas City and will be able to spend a great deal of time around the tables myself I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who is able to play the game here in KC.
There will also be a game demo available soon on our website. Charles Mousseau is currently working on it.
www.superstargaming.net
Thanks for answering Michael. That is correct. The 3 -1 wager is decided by they outcome of the first split hand.Quote: ParadigmFrom Raving I recall that the 3-1 stays with the first of the split hands. Is that right Tim?
Thanks for answering Dan. Although our patent application covers the combined version mentioned above we wanted to introduce the 3 TO 1 version first because as you pointed out, it is the simplest and cleanest version possible. We do have a a slightly different combined version with two side bet circles so the player can choose the 3-1 and/or 7-1 side bet.Quote: PaigowdanMO: They could, but NOT with the same pay tables, they'd have to be crunched down if both can pay on one bet on the same hand.
Actually, Tim's current design is very clean and fun as is, me thinks. I think it'll be a hit.
Thanks Lucky. You know I wish the same for you and Michael.Quote: LuckyCongrats and good luck, TnT23.
Thanks tringlomane. If you make it to KC and are able to play 3 TO 1 BJ while you're here please let me how it goes. This is subject to change but if you happen to make it here the the first weekend in May the game may be temporarily located downstairs while the big Poker tournament's in town at the Ameristar.Quote: tringlomaneGood luck! I may be getting out to KC next month and always check out Ameristar when I go. I'll give it a look.
Thanks Buzzard. We're proud tonight. I just hope we're still proud six months from now!!!Quote: BuzzardAt last KC has something to be proud of. CONGRATULATIONS !
Hopefully Charles will be able to comment. In the meantime I can confirm that Charles did run a vulnerability analysis on the game.Quote: teliotI haven't looked at this for AP, but it seems like a simple red/black count should work. Anyone want to post a link with game specs (e.g. what happens on a split)? Maybe Charles has done the AP math and can comment.
Ivan, the side bet can not exceed the amount of the blackjack wager.Quote: UCivanTim, what are the side bet limits? The side bet could be countable, but not profitable.
Thank you Beachbumbabs. Same to you with the progress of One For The Money!Quote: beachbumbabsCongratulations, Tim; hope they move it downstairs and front-and-center for you!
Good luck with your 3 to 1 Blackjack.
Thank you Stephen.Quote: MrCasinoGamesCongrats TnT23.
Good luck with your 3 to 1 Blackjack.
You should have a safe trip now. I saw the roadway shooter's been arrested!!! If you're able to play 3-1 BJ please let me know how it goes and remember the game is currently only open on Friday and Saturday nights (with the possible exception of being moved downstairs while HPT is here next week).Quote: midwestgbSounds like a neat side bet. Planning to get over there - assuming our roadway shooter doesn't get me on the way over - within the next several weeks.
Quote: TnT23Thanks Buzzard. We're proud tonight. I just hope we're still proud six months from now!!!
Less than 5 months to go now.
Quote: RoyalBJHow is the game going now?
It was closed at 10:20 pm on Tuesday when I showed up to Ameristar KC. One thing that concerned me about the game was its table position. It was the only table game with a sign on it outside of the main pit. But it's in an easily notable position, so it may not necessarily be a bad thing.
Grats to a Tim for getting a placement, but honestly it is still same old same old. If you want me to play a sucker bet, give me something innovative and thrilling.
Not true, every side bet is different. This one is a parlay side bet. Please read the game rules more carefully and play it with your real money. You will know the difference in your anxiety and expectation. Only the market will tell if it will stay.Quote: CanyoneroA similar sidebet has been around for ages with suited cards, you don't even need to win the hand to get the 3 to 1 payout.
Grats to a Tim for getting a placement, but honestly it is still same old same old. If you want me to play a sucker bet, give me something innovative and thrilling.
Quote: tringlomaneIt was closed at 10:20 pm on Tuesday when I showed up to Ameristar KC. One thing that concerned me about the game was its table position. It was the only table game with a sign on it outside of the main pit. But it's in an easily notable position, so it may not necessarily be a bad thing.
Sorry you didn't get a chance to see 3 TO 1 BJ being played when you stopped by tringlomane. Here's the update:
The Ameristar-KC started with all (4) tables upstairs about five weeks ago where the game was only open on Friday and Saturday evenings with very limited foot traffic. While the HPT was in town they temporarily moved (3) of the tables downstairs to the main floor (where you saw it) to use the upstairs level for the poker tournament. The good news is the game did well enough while downstairs that they decided to make that temporary pit permanent. Unfortunately that pit is still secondary to the main pit and does not open during the week but just being on the main floor is much better than the upstairs level with it's limited traffic. We currently have (3) tables in that 6 table pit but currently only one has a table sign. The 4th table is still upstairs. We have a second table sign ordered that should be ready in about a month. I'm reluctant to share this because it's certainly subject to change but we ordered the second table sign as a result of having a very encouraging conversation with the Ameristar about the game moving over into the main pit where it would be open daily. Tringlomane, if the move to the main pit takes place as we hope I will post it here so you'll know if you stop back by Ameristar again the game will be open.
You're spot on UCivan. Thanks for the reply. I found out from Charles this week the demo is just about ready so people can have the chance to familiarize themselves with the game if they choose to.Quote: UCivanNot true, every side bet is different. This one is a parlay side bet. Please read the game rules more carefully and play it with your real money. You will know the difference in your anxiety and expectation. Only the market will tell if it will stay.
Quote: BuzzardLess than 5 months to go now.
So far so good Buzzard. As much as we'd love to report much bigger and better things we have made some baby steps forward which we have to be happy with at this point!!!
Quote: RoyalBJHow is the game going now?
RoyalBJ, I posted progress report above. Sorry I didn't know how to include your post with the other. Rookie at the wheel here!!! Thanks for asking about the game.
Maybe somebody can post a pix if in Blackhawk.
Quote: BuzzardAmeristar in Blackhawk has a liberal policy on sigh. At least with Stacey Perry of Mao Gaming. About 12 inches by 12 inches , just above first base. Different colors on different tables. Yellow Blue Purple lit background. " STREAK BLACKJACK" Am sure some people think it's a BJ game, not just a side bet. I imagine it attracts some curiosity lookers who wind up playing. I imagine a 3 to 1 Blackjack sign might help.
Maybe somebody can post a pix if in Blackhawk.
The table sign question has really been a difficult decision for us. In the case of 3 TO 1 BJ we see it two different ways. In the beginning we thought no sign was best because:
We believe the strength of the game lies in the high qualification rate. As a result we felt like it was best for the table to look as much like a regular BJ game as possible so a regular BJ player would sit down and see how often others around him were qualifying to beat the dealer for the 3 to 1 payout as opposed to the standard game's even money payout. We felt we could gain more possible 3 to 1 BJ players through this approach than we did by putting up the table sign where some would surely avoid it by the appearance of a new game they don't want to take the time to learn. A second reason is a budget one. We certainly have to spend our money wisely.
On the other hand:
Once we got the vote of confidence from the casino of staying downstairs permanently and saw some regulars coming back playing the game back-to-back weekends we felt like it was time to put up the table sign. We just did that two weeks ago. It was really the possibility of moving into the main pit that influenced us to move ahead on a second sign.
Quote: beachbumbabsPaiGowDan, in another thread, commented that nearly every game that makes it comes on slowly and grows with the demand. Seems to me you're right on course, and I hope you continue with the success. 1 became 4, upstairs became downstairs, Fri-Sat only is becoming more often. All good.
Thanks Babs. It's so tough when you got your heart and soul in something like this but at this point we have to be happy with the small steps forward so far.
I know for a fact that other properties like the game, hang in there and count the baby steps as big progress! Be well my friend!
Quote: ParadigmTim, the key is your numbers. Since your table count & position on the floor is improving at Ameristar the folks that matter (e.g. The DTG and his/her team) must think something is working. Talk is cheap and movement of position on the floor speaks volumes.
I know for a fact that other properties like the game, hang in there and count the baby steps as big progress! Be well my friend!
Thanks Michael. It was definitely uplifting to hear the game was staying downstairs. The foot traffic upstairs was disappointing. Since it moved downstairs we've seen regulars coming back to play it which is very encouraging. The regulars would have never even seen the game upstairs. Best to you and Lucky!!
Quote: TnT23Thanks Michael. It was definitely uplifting to hear the game was staying downstairs. The foot traffic upstairs was disappointing. Since it moved downstairs we've seen regulars coming back to play it which is very encouraging. The regulars would have never even seen the game upstairs. Best to you and Lucky!!
I agree that the downstairs move is key. Upstairs is table game overflow only. I was upstairs for awhile taking a $20 stab at a 9/7 Double Bonus bartop with a $1325 royal about midnight and there may have been 20 players playing upstairs tops. 6 or 7 of which were in the poker room. Downstairs had over 100 people playing at the time, maybe 200.
Hope the positive results keep coming!
