New Money$uit 31 Demo is up and initial numbers from Calgary

Hi all,

We have officially launched the new game Demo of Money$uit 31 (with the new rules live in Calgary) to the Money$uit 31 Website. The new game has slightly new rules which increase the hit rate to 40% and drop the house edge to 2.24% on the base game. Additionally, we removed the family pot and replaced it with a 2.68% HA/ 28% hit rate bonus side wager (All math is GLI approved). The original progressive is unchanged...

The first live weekend of play went very well at the Grey Eagle Casino in Calgary. That weekend we had dropped just under half of 3 card poker (however we had been way ahead of 3 card during the day but a bunch of the regular 3 card players came out at night) and out performed several of the other novelty type games on the floor. The player feedback was overall very positive and a good %40 of player grew up playing 31 as I had, so proof of concept had already been established for my game variants...

Give the new demo a spin as i know everyone will like this version much better. the addition of the new side wager replacing the family pot is a game changer!!!!

Let me know what you all think, this new version is being considered for launch in Nevada in the near future...

I look forward to everyone's thoughts

Major Congrats, MrSuit! I'll go check it out...

Quote: mrsuit31

Hi all,

We have officially launched the new game Demo of Money$uit 31 (with the new rules live in Calgary) to the Money$uit 31 Website. The new game has slightly new rules which increase the hit rate to 40% and drop the house edge to 2.24% on the base game. Additionally, we removed the family pot and replaced it with a 2.68% HA/ 28% hit rate bonus side wager (All math is GLI approved). The original progressive is unchanged...

The first live weekend of play went very well at the Grey Eagle Casino in Calgary. That weekend we had dropped just under half of 3 card poker (however we had been way ahead of 3 card during the day but a bunch of the regular 3 card players came out at night) and out performed several of the other novelty type games on the floor. The player feedback was overall very positive and a good %40 of player grew up playing 31 as I had, so proof of concept had already been established for my game variants...

Give the new demo a spin as i know everyone will like this version much better. the addition of the new side wager replacing the family pot is a game changer!!!!

Sounds Good: Hit rate to 40% and drop the house edge to 2.24% on the base game.
Agree: new side wager replacing the family pot is a game changer.

Congrats, interesting game. Are there other "31" style games in the casino space? I don't remember seeing any.

Quote: DRich

Congrats, interesting game. Are there other "31" style games in the casino space? I don't remember seeing any.

No DRich, I pretty much have this area of the market covered with my games Money$uit 31 and Match 31... I grew up playing the game 31 (I knew it as Skat) and didnt understand why the game 31 never infiltrated the market... However, without the Money$uit jackpot addition the odds dont really get very attractive for players... I have multiple patents protecting a large variety of Money$uit 31 variants. However, the best two to date are this game and Match 31 (which was formally launched with DEQ).

Thanks for the well wishes guys! After seeing the very encouraging opening weekend, I have very high hopes for this version. I think it fits well in any floor mix as it allows existing 31 fans as well as poker players an exciting innovative game to choose from...

I didn't realize the rimmed buttton thingy was the bonus bet (guessing it's emulating the LIR or other light-sensitive progressive buttons). Probably played 20 hands without it. Perhaps it could be labeled? Read the felt, realized I had to be one bet short. Tried to bet on the big circular gold 31, then finally clicked on the blank circle and it spit out a dollar on that. D'oh!

I think the play pays are nice and generous, and I really like taking the best 3 out of 4 cards, without having to discard one (think you changed that a while back). Wish there was a pay somewhere for a 3 card straight flush (because I kept getting them, especially little ones, and they're junk in this game). Had several pat 3OAK, though, which are a very nice pay, especially considering you can catch them on a pair. Can't decide if optimal strategy says hold any pair, looking for the third one of 4. Perhaps pair 7 or above? Missed a draw on 6's, though, at 30:1, so perhaps any pair.

Good, solid game, MrSuit, easy to understand, though sometimes I don't realize I have a winner/pusher immediately on the 16ms/17 bubble. Little learning curve there, especially since the 16 pays the bonus, but might not be worth drawing to.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I didn't realize the rimmed buttton thingy was the bonus bet (guessing it's emulating the LIR or other light-sensitive progressive buttons). Probably played 20 hands without it. Perhaps it could be labeled? Read the felt, realized I had to be one bet short. Tried to bet on the big circular gold 31, then finally clicked on the blank circle and it spit out a dollar on that. D'oh!

I think the play pays are nice and generous, and I really like taking the best 3 out of 4 cards, without having to discard one (think you changed that a while back). Wish there was a pay somewhere for a 3 card straight flush (because I kept getting them, especially little ones, and they're junk in this game). Had several pat 3OAK, though, which are a very nice pay, especially considering you can catch them on a pair. Can't decide if optimal strategy says hold any pair, looking for the third one of 4. Perhaps pair 7 or above? Missed a draw on 6's, though, at 30:1, so perhaps any pair.

Good, solid game, MrSuit, easy to understand, though sometimes I don't realize I have a winner/pusher immediately on the 16ms/17 bubble. Little learning curve there, especially since the 16 pays the bonus, but might not be worth drawing to.

Yes that light emulates the shufflemaster progressives that we have installed on our games... below the demo is a basic strategy however below the bulk of this message i posted the optimal strategy as calculated by our own MIPLET... I understand the unfortunate non paying small straight flushes... However would you rather keep the possible 15-30 to one on simple q or jack high flush? (I personally wouldnt sacrifice those huge pays considering the hand to pay a little on the small losing straight flushes. Also the game 31 is the game 31 and i wanted to stick to the original game and not butcher it...)

Thank you for the Kind words on the game!

MrSuit,

Sorry, I didn't mean the SF play to be a complaint; more of a joke, given that you have 3 card pays, but I think the moneysuit big pays more than make up for not having the SF pay.. Was just random thoughts as I was playing that I wrote out for your information. I think your paytables are quite generous.

Haha, well sorry for the unnecessary defense! Its the law student in me...

Just realized i had forgotten to include the optimal strategy in the previous message... Sorry!

Miplet's optimal strategy (he can clarify any confusion you may have im sure....)

3 suited:
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Only play made hands: 16 in M$, 17 other

2 suited:
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suited 16 or more

unsuited card 8 or more and suited 10 or more*
*need a m$ card to play suited 8,2 with unsuited 9

unsuited card 10 or more and suited 9

unsuited card 9 and suited 9: need a M$ card*
*suited 7,2 needs a m$ 9 for the unsuited card

unsuited card 8 and suited 9: need suited M$ cards*
*fold M$ 7,2 with unsuited 8

Suited 7 or less: Always fold

suited 8 and unsuited Ace

suited 8 needs unsuited 10 and a M$ card*
*can play suited 6,2 with M$ 6 as the unsuited card

suited 9: must have pair of 7's; or a pair a 6's that has a M$

suited 10:must have a pair of 4s or better;or M$ 3,7 with unsuited 3

suited 11 to 15: Must have pair with these exceptions:

suited 13 or better with unsuited 7*
* need a M$ card with suited 5,8 and unsuited 7

suited 14 with and unsuited M$ 6

suited 15 with unsuited 6

suited (T J K Q),3 with an unsuited M$ 6

suited 15 with an unsuited M$ 5

3 unsuited:
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Trips

Two highest cards 20 or better

Pairs 2 to 5: needs an Ace

Pair of 6's: 10 or better or M$ 6 with 8 or 9

Pair of 7's: 8 or better or M$ 6

Pair of 8's or better

highest card A: need an 8 or pair or A,7 with M$ 6

highest or middle card 7 or less: Fold

M$ 9 and T or better

M$ T or better and 8 or better

T or better and 9,8 9,7 9,6 8,7 8,6 9,M$5 8,M$5

9,8,M$6
9,8,7

Unofficially, based on the progressive ticker increase, it seems that yesterday was an even better day then last week where the play is creeping up closer to three 3 card poker.

Depending upon a few numbers, which i will check into regarding the progressive feed amount for M$31 compared to three card, it is a possibility that we actually outperformed three card poker yesterday...

Performance keeps improving by the day.

It is still of course very early to tell how things will play out. However, As stated in an earlier post, we are still in the worst possible locale on the floor. In another week or so when the floor gets rearranged we will be moving into the best location in the casino... After this move I am confident that the game will improve drastically!

More updates to come...

Iv been sent a few screenshots of big winning hands in the demo... If anyone hits any really big hands i may send them a set of the old dice we used to use.

Payoff bug in demo on web. Just hit m31 10/k/ace - only paid out 1% ($10.07) not 10% of progressive jackpot. The jackpot total did, however, go down by $1000+.

Fun game. I would play in casino. Thx

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Payoff bug in demo on web. Just hit m31 10/k/ace - only paid out 1% ($10.07) not 10% of progressive jackpot. The jackpot total did, however, go down by $1000+.

Fun game. I would play in casino. Thx

Thanks Link! I will let me developer know...

The kind words are always appreciated!

Quote: linksjunkie

Payoff bug in demo on web. Just hit m31 10/k/ace - only paid out 1% ($10.07) not 10% of progressive jackpot. The jackpot total did, however, go down by $1000+.

Fun game. I would play in casino. Thx

Thanks again Link.

That issue has been addressed and fixed on my website. Keep me posted with any other big hands... i like when people show the screenshots...

Brent, is this game being dealt from a fresh 52 card deck each round at Grey Eagle?

Quote: Paradigm

Brent, is this game being dealt from a fresh 52 card deck each round at Grey Eagle?

Of course

I will begin to have to official numbers availible to me in the upcoming weeks...

Since my last post, as per the progressive numbers availible to me, it appears that the action at Money$uit 31 nearly doubled that of three card poker...

Things keep looking up.

I would wait to see what the numbers look like over a 45 or 60 day period. My experience has been that early numbers, both positive or negative, are pretty meaningless.

That being said, early player reaction and player headcount are positives and if you saw those kinds of indicators, particularly the same players coming back to play within a week, that is a very positive sign.

Don't get me wrong, good early numbers are nothing to sneeze at, but just keep them in perspective.

Go get 'em Brent!!!!

Quote: Paradigm

I would wait to see what the numbers look like over a 45 or 60 day period. My experience has been that early numbers, both positive or negative, are pretty meaningless.

That being said, early player reaction and player headcount are positives and if you saw those kinds of indicators, particularly the same players coming back to play within a week, that is a very positive sign.

Don't get me wrong, good early numbers are nothing to sneeze at, but just keep them in perspective.

Go get 'em Brent!!!!

This will be the last rapid fire update as I have received the first official report from live play in Calgary. (I'm sorry if iv posted a little often here lately, I'm sure you all understand...) since we have relaunched on March 26th thru today we have shown a drop of 43% of three card with a 23.5% hold.

The drop increases daily and on many days we out dropped and outperformed three card...

Let's hope it keeps looking up from here!

The most recent update from Calgary is in. It is less detailed then the last so I don't have the comparison with the other games on the floor. However, Money$uit 31 continues to get continuous play stretched throughout the week and has an overall hold%, since launch, of 18.96%.

I will be venturing back up to the casino in a few weeks to see things first hand. I will update you all again then...

Quote: mrsuit31

The most recent update from Calgary is in. It is less detailed then the last so I don't have the comparison with the other games on the floor. However, Money$uit 31 continues to get continuous play stretched throughout the week and has an overall hold%, since launch, of 18.96%.

I will be venturing back up to the casino in a few weeks to see things first hand. I will update you all again then...

Sounds like you're right in the strike zone, MrSuit! Well done, and good luck with further play.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Sounds like you're right in the strike zone, MrSuit! Well done, and good luck with further play.

Thanks Babs! Those changes really improved performance dramatically.

Mr Suit
Congrats on your game, just a question on why you dropped the family pot. Was it not popular with the players? Also what are the price points of the game, did this also influence getting rid of the family pot.

Quote: timing

Mr Suit
Congrats on your game, just a question on why you dropped the family pot. Was it not popular with the players? Also what are the price points of the game, did this also influence getting rid of the family pot.

Hi timing,

Thank you for the congrats!

There were a few reasons why we dropped the family pot from the game...

1) it slowed the game down by requiring the extra step/process for the dealer to figure out the winner etc...
2) it was a wager is very attractive on paper and at a full table, but if the table is slow it was more of a nuisance than anything.
3) and primarily there were many situations where multiple players had very nice hands but the second and third best not only didnt get paid off but actually lose the wager... Therefore this new side wager not only enhances excitement but incorporates a large amount of volatility into the game.

In a nut shell, those are the general reasons... The game is much more rounded with this side wager.

Additionally, some players did push back saying "they didnt want other peoples money, they wanted to beat the house". This was also a minor factor although, not as controlling as the other reasons...

I hope that helps clarify the reasoning...

And thanks again!

Thanks Mr Suit
Also is your game live in any online casino? If so what is the process you went through or if there are any other independent game developers that have a game live online if they could share their experience.

Quote: timing

Thanks Mr Suit
Also is your game live in any online casino? If so what is the process you went through or if there are any other independent game developers that have a game live online if they could share their experience.

I do not have anything in the online marketplace yet... Our focus is on the live properties for the time being.