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Paradigm
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January 9th, 2015 at 8:43:50 AM permalink
Thanks for that reminder BBB, the 2X odds on winning with a 6 or less. It did hit a couple of times when I played for me & others. The game certainly didn't feel like the house edge was too burdensome......it had a good hit rate feel and as I said you were pretty excited to swap and get a higher card to raise with & win 3 units. I can say that I have never, nor would I ever, play Casino War, whereas I may sit down at Ultimate Casino War if I was with a "new to table games" player who wanted to try something besides slots. With basic strategy (trade 2-7, stand on 8-10 & raise with J-Ace) in hand, it is really an easy game to play and provides quite a bit of fun for a player that is looking for an easy table game experience.
tringlomane
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January 9th, 2015 at 8:55:21 AM permalink
I like the name change as "casino war" does have a foothold in certain areas. Also glad they opted to add a to 2 to 1 payout on a 6 or less win. Definitely thought the original rollout was too stingy. Hope these tweaks increase interest in the game!
EvenBob
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January 9th, 2015 at 1:11:37 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I got a chance to play BBB's One for the Money, re-branded by Bally Tech to "Ultimate Casino War" at Barona.



Wait a minute, hold the phone. When
this game was first presented here, I
said all it was is just another version
of Casino War. I was told that in no way
was it anything like CW, that I was a
blankety blank for even suggesting it.

Now Bally (Roger Snow?) has relabeled
it Ultimate Casino War? But that can't
be, it is nothing like CW I was told.

Gee whiz, I really hate it when I'm so
blatantly and obviously right. It just
makes me feel awful..
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Gialmere
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January 28th, 2019 at 11:36:25 PM permalink
Quick Session Report:
I finally got to play this game with my poker group. Here's the player mat I whipped up based on the rules and photo at WoO...


[I actually print it on light green card stock to roughly match the felt on my poker table.]

The evening began with a shoe of Casino War since most players had never tried it. It's not hard to see why it is successful. Once people realize it's simply the game they played as a kid--the first card game most people are taught (although mine was Slap Jack)--they learn it in 30 seconds. The players enjoyed it but it's certainly a frustrating game and, once the novelty wears off, somewhat tedious.

For the next shoe we switched to One For The Money and wow! What a difference a trade makes. The idle chatter during Casino War vanished and quiet concentration settled over the table with occasional exchanges of tactical ideas. There were oohs and ahhs when a trade turned a 6 into an ace, while turning a 6 into a deuce was met with groans and laughter. By the end of the shoe everyone was smiling (cash wise they fared much better than in Casino War) and wanted to play more and where could they find it in a casino etc. Big hit.

So Babs, I have no idea what the status of your creation is, but I thought you should know that it's still making people happy in the world.

Side Note: Does anyone know what the house edge is for the 3 card bonus the casino used? There's no payoff for a pair (which obviously sucks) but the straight and flush pays were both cranked up.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
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January 29th, 2019 at 12:05:24 AM permalink
I'm really pleased your group enjoyed it! We had a lot of fun playing it ,too, when we built it, and I'm very flattered you did this.

SHFL still has it on the shelf but is not actively marketing it. Really glad you put the low hand odds on it, too, because it's vastly better paying that.

What a nice surprise, that you went to the trouble! If you can get your casino to request an install, SHFL will do it.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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January 29th, 2019 at 2:18:29 AM permalink
I missed a question. Right now, the only casino offering it is Crowne Melbourne in Australia. They rebranded it again as Poker War and did some great graphics, both on the website and on the felt. They're also offering it with the low odds pay table, which it was rolled out without using at an ugly 3.823% HE. I don't have a spreadsheet with me (traveling) but I think Crowne is around 1.8% HE, and the paytable you're using is around .9%

All the comment cards and surveys have come back very positive. However, those first installs, people loved it, but they were losing their money too quickly and it faded after a couple of months in the US, about a year in the UK, and 1.5 years in Phillipines, with a total of 17 installs. With the paytable, it lasted a year at Barona in Socal, and even better, the Crowne has had it in for 3.2 years now.

Here's the graphics and rules Crowne is using.

https://www.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/poker-war

I'm hoping to revive some interest in the next few months. I think it has potential, too. Thanks again!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
gamerfreak
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January 29th, 2019 at 3:27:54 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I missed a question. Right now, the only casino offering it is Crowne Melbourne in Australia. They rebranded it again as Poker War and did some great graphics, both on the website and on the felt. They're also offering it with the low odds pay table, which it was rolled out without using at an ugly 3.823% HE. I don't have a spreadsheet with me (traveling) but I think Crowne is around 1.8% HE, and the paytable you're using is around .9%

All the comment cards and surveys have come back very positive. However, those first installs, people loved it, but they were losing their money too quickly and it faded after a couple of months in the US, about a year in the UK, and 1.5 years in Phillipines, with a total of 17 installs. With the paytable, it lasted a year at Barona in Socal, and even better, the Crowne has had it in for 3.2 years now.

Here's the graphics and rules Crowne is using.

https://www.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/poker-war

I'm hoping to revive some interest in the next few months. I think it has potential, too. Thanks again!


This question may be too prying, so you can answer vaguely (or ignore it all together).

I know about what it costs to take a casino game from concept to launch. Itís not cheap. Do game creators generally recoup their investment on games like this that end up having limited installations?
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January 29th, 2019 at 11:40:09 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

This question may be too prying, so you can answer vaguely (or ignore it all together).

I know about what it costs to take a casino game from concept to launch. Itís not cheap. Do game creators generally recoup their investment on games like this that end up having limited installations?



I can only speak to my own experience. We sold it for more than it cost us to develop it.

Game distributor, I'm not privy to their internal spreadsheets, so I'm not going to speculate.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
djatc
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January 30th, 2019 at 10:24:29 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


Game distributor, I'm not privy to their internal spreadsheets, so I'm not going to speculate.



Did you just assume gamerfreaks profession
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FleaStiff
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January 30th, 2019 at 10:43:31 AM permalink
the title of a book is determined by the publisher, not the author.
Its the same way with the title of a casino game, the casino can call it what they want.

game revenues for short term trials are highly variable.

good luck to all who play it.

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