Raving 2013
Quote: allinriverkingWell, I guess using Aces for low only, doesn't hurt a game's chances... Blackjack War takes first...
Oh, really, river king? Haven't seen the game rules, but would be interested to hear if you'd care to tell about them.
Quote: EvenBobYes, but in BJ everybody knows an ace can be high
OR low. It's no deviation from what people already expect.
No different then poker where ace can be low or high. But this is it is to be used as low only, for the side-bet use.
Quote: beachbumbabsOh, really, river king? Haven't seen the game rules, but would be interested to hear if you'd care to tell about them.
I wasn't there but the way I believe it works, all players get their first card and the dealer gets their up card. The war bet is settled, if it wins the player can choose to put that money on their blackjack bet. (Seems I read about a SHFL game that allows you to put the winning side-bet money on top of your bj bet.) Then the players are dealt their second card, dealer gets their second card and game finishes out as regular bj.
Quote: beachbumbabsOh, really, river king? Haven't seen the game rules, but would be interested to hear if you'd care to tell about them.
LOL! Yes, switch OFTM back to ace being low, never
mind that in BJ ace is expected to be low already,
or high. You need to make your game easier to
understand, not harder. The one person I knew who
was there, who played your game, said it was like most
of the others. Confusing. Several people here have already
commented that the winners won because they could
explain their games in 30 seconds or less. It's called the
'Hooplehead Effect'. Players are getting dumber, not
smarter.
Quote: EvenBobLOL! Yes, switch OFTM back to ace being low, never
mind that in BJ ace is expected to be low already,
or high. You need to make your game easier to
understand, not harder. The one person I knew who
was there, who played your game, said it was like most
of the others. Confusing. Several people here have already
commented that the winners won because they could
explain their games in 30 seconds or less. It's called the
'Hooplehead Effect'. Players are getting dumber, not
smarter.
Gee, the concept that EvenBob insulted more than a dozen times in the last 3 weeks wins the contest, while combining 2 games with one unique feature; aces are low. The game that EvenBob insulted many times over the last 2 years and still protests gets the silver. Awards are given by judges who are the decision-makers on what reaches casino floors all over the country, but they couldn't know what their customers want, so they must've been mistaken, according to him. So now he's back to insulting my game, which wasn't even entered in the competition, based on a second hand report from one unknown person. How EvenBob of him.
"It's a one card draw poker game where the player never folds and the dealer always qualifies. You ante and get one card. You can trade a bad card and raise on a good card, before or after you trade, or you can just stand. The dealer plays the higher of their two cards. You win, you get paid; you tie, you push; you lose, dealer takes your money."
There's the whole game in 20 seconds out loud, less than 10 to read it. Straightforward. Easy. Fast. Fun. Which are the words I'm hearing back from several people who went and played it.
Quote: EvenBobYes, but in BJ everybody knows an ace can be high
OR low. It's no deviation from what people already expect.
It is exactly contrary to what people expect when playing war.
Quote: CrystalMathIt is exactly contrary to what people expect when playing war.
AMEN. To say nothing of NEVER getting to parlay War profit on a first card ACE.
Good luck, Dan.
Quote: BuzzardDo I get this right ? House edge on side bet in over 7%. And if I win I must bet only the winnings on the first card only, which will never be an Ace ?
I read it the same way, Buzz, yes; an Ace can't win. Though I'm not sure if you can move your push onto your BJ bet; by default, the language seems to be wins only, but I would think anything left could move to avoid confusion in dealing the game. Edit: it does look like winnings only can move, so the Ace push bet wouldn't cap the main bet.
Quote: CrystalMathIt is exactly contrary to what people expect when playing war.
You couldn't be more correct, CM; I'm just enjoying the irony.
Quote: beachbumbabsThe game that EvenBob insulted many times over the last 2 years and still protests gets the silver. .
And somebody who's unqualified to be president is still
in office. The world is full of clueless voters. I maintain
the silly roulette byproduct will be a tremendous flop.
You'll see.
You act like the 70 word explanation of your game is easy
for somebody who's never heard of it to understand. I'm
not joking when I said the guy I knew who was there said
he found it confusing, and I'm sure he wasn't the only one.
I can write out all the moves chess pieces make in less
than 70 words, and it will be confusing to people who
never played chess before. You understand your game
inside and out and think its simplicity personified. It's
not.
Quote: CrystalMathIt is exactly contrary to what people expect when playing war.
Yet another war game, that's all we need. Like Casino War
was such a resounding success. Lots of installs, but who plays
it. Or played it. And a great game like M21 gets completely ignored
and Rainbow Roulette or whatever it's called gets 2nd place?
Oy..
Quote: ParadigmAnother common point of all three winners is they are side bets and can be dropped on to an existing game. Not sure if this is just a coincidence or the result of Raving stressing the "commercial viability" when voting. It is easier to add a side bet than a premium game. Again, this may just be how things worked out.....the best games this year were side bets.
Paradigm - sorry you didn't place, but sure hope you made some good connections, maybe even some placements. I was cheering for you.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWar gets a $h!t load of play around here.
It's gone from all the casinos I go to, but so is Rapid Roulette
and EZ bac. I read somewhere that War has lost half it's installs.
I think it hit its peak 6 or 7 years ago.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWar gets a $h!t load of play around here.
Where would "round here" be, Ibeat?
Quote: BuzzardDo I get this right ? House edge on side bet in over 7%. And if I win I must bet only the winnings on the first card only, which will never be an Ace ?
I think you are missing the strong feature of the game. If your war side bet wins, you have two choices:
1. Take your original bet and the winnings and keep it.
2. Take your original bet back and add the winnings to your Blackjack bet.
Now remember, you have already seen the dealers first card (it's the war card). So now you are deciding if you'd like to add more money to your Blackjack wager after seeing your first card and the dealers first card.
If you have a 10 and the dealer has a 6, might be a good time to add the winnings to your blackjack bet. You have a 3 and the dealer has a 2, maybe not.
Had a $5 Blackjack bet and a $10 war bet and won, now you have (if you choose) a $15 Blackjack bet knowing you have a great card against a bust card for the dealer.
It's actually a very interesting concept. A little like Free Bet Blackjack. You're getting to increase your bet in an advantageous time and it was kind of free because you still have your original amount that got you those chips.
ZCore13
Quote: WizardThe guys with war-blackjack said the game would have a player advantage if aces were scored as high for the War bet. It would have allowed the player to make a powerful correlated parlay. Here is a scan of the rule card.
It's a interesting concept, I like it.
By the way 1 of my BJ side-bet (ODDS-WIN BONUS™ BJ) is similar to this (War BJ) and (3 to 1 BJ).
I show it in the UK Games Showcase at G-Casino 17-Oct-2013 (Patent Pending).
Mathematician: Stephen How. House Edge = 4.82%
ODDS-WIN BONUS™ BJ
Odds-Win is a Blackjack Side-bet which pays when the Player wins or pushes his hand after starting with a 2-card Odd Total.
Odds-Win pays:
4 to 1 for a winning Player Blackjack.
3 to 1 for a winning Player hand starting with an odd total.
1 to 1 for a pushing Player hand starting with an odd total or Blackjack.
Examples on Odds-Win:
1. Player wagers an Odds-Win side bet and receives his initial two card hand. If the total of his two card hand is even then the side bet loses.
2. Player wagers an Odds-Win side bet and receives a blackjack. The Dealer does not have a blackjack, the side bet pays 4-to-1.
3. The Player wagers an Odds-Win side bet and receives his initial two card hand. The sum of his two card hand is odd, so the dealer leaves the Odds-Win side bet in action.
3a) If the Player wins the hand, the side bet pays 3-to-1.
3b) If the Player pushes with the dealer, the side bet pays 1-to-1.
3c) If the Player loses the hand, the side bet loses.
Quote: Zcore13I think you are missing the strong feature of the game. If your war side bet wins, you have two choices:
1. Take your original bet and the winnings and keep it.
2. Take your original bet back and add the winnings to your Blackjack bet.
Now remember, you have already seen the dealers first card (it's the war card). So now you are deciding if you'd like to add more money to your Blackjack wager after seeing your first card and the dealers first card.
If you have a 10 and the dealer has a 6, might be a good time to add the winnings to your blackjack bet. You have a 3 and the dealer has a 2, maybe not.
Had a $5 Blackjack bet and a $10 war bet and won, now you have (if you choose) a $15 Blackjack bet knowing you have a great card against a bust card for the dealer.
It's actually a very interesting concept. A little like Free Bet Blackjack. You're getting to increase your bet in an advantageous time and it was kind of free because you still have your original amount that got you those chips.
ZCore13
I agree. And letting an Ace be high on war is a BIG advantage to the player. Double your bet on 1 or 11 with another chance to add to your bet on a favorable 2nd card or win 3 to 2 on a doubled bet if you get a face card? YES PLEASE!
And even though we chastised Babs a little bit on making her game Ace-high; this game shows it wasn't totally necessary. However, since her game was indifferent on Ace being high or low, I think the right choice is Ace high. My apologies to the die-hard "Screw Your Neighbor" fans...lol
the games at Raving were not on a par with
games from precious events. There were a couple
good ones and the rest were fairly boring and
redundant. Too much like other games already
out there.
I thought it was an excellent show, with good speakers, good information and good games and I met some good people.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I don't agree. I thought Arizona Stud, Mulligan Blackjack, One for the Money, War Blackjack, Riverboat Roulette, 3 to 1 Blackjack and a few others all had innovative features. Some made mistakes in presentation, some made mistakes in clearly describing how the game is different or why players will like it. Mistakes that are made when you've never attended an event like this. You've got to come in over-prepared.
I thought it was an excellent show, with good speakers, good information and good games and I met some good people.
ZCore13
+1
OOOPS, Did I say that out loud ? Cut and paste from other Raving thread:
" Riverboat Roulette was also given a rough ride here on the Forum. The Luck Bros. have two placements in the UK and some in Missouri as well as some serious sales inquiries from the Show. Congrats to them for sticking with it despite the many naysayers. "
The Luck Brother, Kevin , The Handsome One, and Kent stopped in here about a month before G2E last year. At the time they were
about to promote their Roulette game by using crap terms. They drew friendly fire from the start. But changed the pitch and even adjusted the odds after feedback on here.
As the resident old bastard on this forum, I think if you want to be told your game is great, then show it to friends and family. Or join an inventor's club. I was a dues paying member of Rocky Mountain Inventors Club. Every monthly meeting a few newbies would show up and be told WOW What a great idea.
If you wanted constructive criticism, there was a quarterly inventor's night. Club would arrange to get 2 or 3 people from whatever industry was applicable, and you could show your game to them and other guests. Cost you $250 and rarely was a decision maker for your product there. Here, you can be bombarded by experts for free. Maybe even have Dan or Roger actually comment on your product.
Speaking of Roger and Dan, and this is not ass kissing, but I tried to pitch a non-casino product and also had fellow members in RMIC try and get their ideas before someone who could say yes or no. Damn near impossible in most other industries. You can submit a game online to Galaxy or SHFL Entertainment and actually get a reply.
I have an NDA from 2000 and also from 2012 from SHFL. A little more boilerplate than the 2000 one, but when I showed the 2000
one at RMIC people were surprised at it's simplicity and said I should not had any worry about signing it. Most of the others I saw were all one-way.
Back to the Luck Brothers. I shook both their hands at G2E for their service ( 20 years USAF ) and even shilled for about an hour or so at their booth. In between war stories ,we talked about this forum. They had no ill feeling but were a little shell shocked at first.
I feel if you can't stand the heat in here, you will have one hell of a time pitching your game elsewhere. And if you think a dealer or pit boss can't just kill your game, you are really lost.
Quote: Buzzard
As the resident old bastard on this forum, I think if you want to be told your game is great, then show it to friends and family. Or join an inventor's club. I was a dues paying member of Rocky Mountain Inventors Club. Every monthly meeting a few newbies would show up and be told WOW What a great idea.
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That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about game inventors
here. They're all so happy for each other and sooo supportive. But
they know full well they're all competing for casino space that's
almost non existent, so when a game gets an install, that means
even less space for their own game.
I was a tournament chess player in HS. We all acted like best friends
outside of the matches, but in truth we hated each others guts. There's
only so many awards, I didn't want them to win, I wanted to win. And
so did they. But we were all just so phony with each other socially, when
we secretly hoped they other guy would fall down the stairs and won't
be able to play next week.
Quote: EvenBobThat's funny, I was thinking the same thing about game inventors
here. They're all so happy for each other and sooo supportive. But
they know full well they're all competing for casino space that's
almost non existent, so when a game gets an install, that means
even less space for their own game.
I was a tournament chess player in HS. We all acted like best friends
outside of the matches, but in truth we hated each others guts. There's
only so many awards, I didn't want them to win, I wanted to win. And
so did they. But we were all just so phony with each other socially, when
we secretly hoped they other guy would fall down the stairs and won't
be able toplay next week.
And that's playing chess??? Don't want to see what the football guys did to one another :)
Quote: BuzzardIF YOU WANT YOUR ASS KISSED, YOU CAME TO THE WRONG FORUM.
OOOPS, Did I say that out loud ? Cut and paste from other Raving thread:
" Riverboat Roulette was also given a rough ride here on the Forum. The Luck Bros. have two placements in the UK and some in Missouri as well as some serious sales inquiries from the Show. Congrats to them for sticking with it despite the many naysayers. "
The Luck Brother, Kevin , The Handsome One, and Kent stopped in here about a month before G2E last year. At the time they were
about to promote their Roulette game by using crap terms. They drew friendly fire from the start. But changed the pitch and even adjusted the odds after feedback on here.
As the resident old bastard on this forum, I think if you want to be told your game is great, then show it to friends and family. Or join an inventor's club. I was a dues paying member of Rocky Mountain Inventors Club. Every monthly meeting a few newbies would show up and be told WOW What a great idea.
If you wanted constructive criticism, there was a quarterly inventor's night. Club would arrange to get 2 or 3 people from whatever industry was applicable, and you could show your game to them and other guests. Cost you $250 and rarely was a decision maker for your product there. Here, you can be bombarded by experts for free. Maybe even have Dan or Roger actually comment on your product.
Speaking of Roger and Dan, and this is not ass kissing, but I tried to pitch a non-casino product and also had fellow members in RMIC try and get their ideas before someone who could say yes or no. Damn near impossible in most other industries. You can submit a game online to Galaxy or SHFL Entertainment and actually get a reply.
I have an NDA from 2000 and also from 2012 from SHFL. A little more boilerplate than the 2000 one, but when I showed the 2000
one at RMIC people were surprised at it's simplicity and said I should not had any worry about signing it. Most of the others I saw were all one-way.
Back to the Luck Brothers. I shook both their hands at G2E for their service ( 20 years USAF ) and even shilled for about an hour or so at their booth. In between war stories ,we talked about this forum. They had no ill feeling but were a little shell shocked at first.
I feel if you can't stand the heat in here, you will have one hell of a time pitching your game elsewhere. And if you think a dealer or pit boss can't just kill your game, you are really lost.
I'm more with Buzz than the affirmation side, but see both as valid, and much prefer reasoned discourse to slurs; I think it's a cross between a cage band on a Friday night (you know, the kind of bar where people throw things at the band so they're behind chicken wire) and a trial by fire to present a game here. I was prepared to get peppered a lot worse than I did, but instead got a lot of thoughtful and useful critiques, a couple of ideas for variations that, if they pan out, I will credit back to the posters in the most meaningful way, and a lot of validation and confirmation of things considered and worked on, whether in the Ravings-presented version at the moment or not. All in the spirit of making the game the best and most successful it can be, so with that goal in mind, it was worth having it sliced and diced. When I first got on here, I saw threads discussing particular games with the same or worse harshness, what makes a good game, rules to success, etc; collectively, that information is priceless and led to my having a game SHFL wanted. End of chapter 4; onward to chapter 5 - the adventure has just begun.
+1 +1 +1 => I particularly want to thank the critiques / comments from various forum members (Zcore13, Paradigm, Paigowdan, and others). They were critical and yet encouraging. They helped making our revision a reality, cannot thank enough. I do want to kiss ass.Quote: Zcore13I don't agree. I thought Arizona Stud, Mulligan Blackjack, One for the Money, War Blackjack, Riverboat Roulette, 3 to 1 Blackjack and a few others all had innovative features. Some made mistakes in presentation, some made mistakes in clearly describing how the game is different or why players will like it. Mistakes that are made when you've never attended an event like this. You've got to come in over-prepared.
I thought it was an excellent show, with good speakers, good information and good games and I met some good people.
ZCore13
Quote: EvenBobA couple people have hinted to me that, overall,
the games at Raving were not on a par with
games from precious events. There were a couple
good ones and the rest were fairly boring and
redundant. Too much like other games already
out there.
I think this is the norm, there are normally less than 10-15% of games at Raving that aren't complete "no friggin way" type games.
And if they read Babs just waltzed into SHFL headquarters and walked out with a done deal ? WTF ? Talk about false expectations. ! ! !
Quote: ParadigmI think this is the norm, there are normally less than 10-15% of games at Raving that aren't complete "no friggin way" type games.
That means 3-5 games at this event were credible, which
is about right. I'm not even going to pick on the games I
was picking on before the event, from what I've heard it
would be rubbing salt into the wounds.
If Riverboat Roulette won 2nd place, I mean, c'mon. I'm
at a loss for words.
Quote: BuzzardGee, does that mean Poker for Roulette had a shot at the GOLD? Just asking, you know.
DJ is just sick, the one year he could have shined
at Raving and he gets shown up by another roulette
variation. That's just not right..
Quote: BuzzardNo argument here and I did just that personally. I just don't think anybody here needs to apologize for any just ( and sometimes harsh) criticism. I will admit it's damn easy to be critical. Look how few games even get a placement, let alone succeed in any meaningful way. Use the search option at USPTO and put in blackjack, poker, casino games, whatever. Look at all the idea that were dead on arrival. I know they is no stopping some people, but maybe if somebody told them the truth, they could have saved that money and chased another dream instead.
And if they read Babs just waltzed into SHFL headquarters and walked out with a done deal ? WTF ? Talk about false expectations. ! ! !
This is kind of unfair. I had an idea, I did a LOT of research, I paid experts to do their expert thing, it worked out. No question I got very lucky in who I met, that this forum had the resources I could study and tap, that the timing was just right, and even a struck-by-lightning chance here and there, like the flash of inspiration that improved the game the very week I was demoing it. But there was a solid full-time half year of work by me plus a fair amount by my brother and several other people that made things happen, a fair chunk of change, and a lot of good advice from those I consulted before it even got posted on this board. Don't sell this forum brain trust short on what it can do when people work together to make things a success, please; there are lots here who know what they're doing.
Quote: Buzzard
And if they read Babs just waltzed into SHFL headquarters and walked out with a done deal
Which on the face of it, means nothing. You can get
signed to a baseball team and never leave the bench.
Only with this deal, the team gets to keep your name
when they dump your contract.
Good name..
How many people on this forum got a commitment from SHFL ?
Hey, how many games at Raving were at focus groups or G2E in past years ?
Just saying you hit a home run, or at least a double, first time up against big league pitching.
Hey, People paid $3,500 just to show up and pitch their game. Most had signed long before Galaxy offer that first prize !
MoneySuit31 is back to pitching his game by himself once again, in Canada and Vegas. he was in Focus Group 1 and I apologized to him once I played the game for real. But he did not leave SHFL with anything other than a hearty handclasp.
Some things never change. I compliment you and I am in trouble.
Quote: ParadigmI guess my point with the Luck Bros. persistency is that many folks would have curled up and gone home based on what was said on the forum. But these are US Military types and they had the fortitude to take in the harshness dished out, adjust as necessary, and keep moving forward. That effort should be recognized and congratulated, IMHO.
Thanks for the congratulatory remarks Mike. While there are naysayers, we didn't really change much other than how we explained & sold the concept. Many gaming operators have told us they liked the concept along the way. However, none would move on it until someone else did. We kept the same concept, same math, same odds, but changed what we could -- how the game is presented & having data from live casino play was extremely beneficial. Now we have others committed to placing the game in Las Vegas -- mostly from the Ravings event (some from the Strip and some from downtown).
Thanks again for your service !
Quote: BuzzardGlad you guys benefited from Raving ! Who said nice guys finished last ?
Thanks again for your service !
Thanks Buzz.... And thank YOU for YOUR service to the World's Greatest Air Force!
Quote: BuzzardCalm down Babs darling. Remember what the therapist said. How many submissions a year did you think SHFL gets a year ?
How many people on this forum got a commitment from SHFL ?
Hey, how many games at Raving were at focus groups or G2E in past years ?
Just saying you hit a home run, or at least a double, first time up against big league pitching.
Hey, People paid $3,500 just to show up and pitch their game. Most had signed long before Galaxy offer that first prize !
MoneySuit31 is back to pitching his game by himself once again, in Canada and Vegas. he was in Focus Group 1 and I apologized to him once I played the game for real. But he did not leave SHFL with anything other than a hearty handclasp.
Some things never change. I compliment you and I am in trouble.
Sorry, Buzz - it read like a slam to me and I got my back up. A lot of people worked very hard on their Raving entries, us among them, and I do appreciate my good fortune in how all of this has gone.
Quote: EvenBobDJ is just sick, the one year he could have shined
at Raving and he gets shown up by another roulette
variation. That's just not right..
Interesting comment, particularly when you consider the source is someone who has told me on many occasions that he thinks Poker For Roulette will fail.
Sick about the outcome? On the contrary, I congratulate the Luck brothers and wish them success.
FYI: Variation? Nope. RiverBoat Roulette and Poker For Roulette are SIDE BETS. you can still play the standard game and ignore the side bets if you choose to do so.
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Only a couple people here know this: I had a visit to SHFL's offices, a month AFTER G2E, to show my game one more time. The very short version is that although people have high opinions of my game concept, everyone hates my manual tracking method. If an electronic version were easy and/or simple, I'd probably already be seeing installs. Or at least field trials.
Similarly, if I was at Raving showing my game with my convoluted manual tracking method, I doubt it would have scored very highly.
Please don't respond to these comments. I'll soon be posting a longer version, in a thread about my game.
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I've never been to Raving. It was only after it became too late that I started to get the full concept. I wish I was there, if only as a spectator...
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Congratulations to Babs for what people have described as "Walking into SHFL's office, and walking out with a deal." It doesn't often happen that way, but there is history of such a thing. I don't know how quickly it happened, but Mike demoed Mulligan Poker at the Focus Group last year, and it wasn't long before SHFL had an install. There are probably more examples. Unfortunately, it didn't go well for Mike. I wish Babs better luck.
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I doubt whether BlackJack War will ever see an install. The key feature, as I understand it, is the ability to take the War winnings and cap the BJ bet. That's the key feature of SHFL's House Money. As you may recall, when I first wrote about HM, I said that the side bet itself was nothing special, but the option to cap the BJ bet was huge. It seems to me that that feature should have been well protected by SHFL when they created HM.
On the assumption that there are no patent infringement problems, then I gotta say that making the Ace low is a mistake. Yeah, I realize that capping a bet when you have an ace is a huge player advantage, but one of the beautiful parts of HM was that some of the best BJ hands also won the most on the HM side bet - and you COULD use it to cap the BJ bet. Considering that all ties other than Aces lose, I find it hard to accept that there's not enough edge to allow Aces to be high in War. Perhaps if Ace ties is a loss, then it would work? Or maybe if the War winnings are limited to even money for a BJ...
Quote: PaigowdanBob - there is Cash Crib - the Casino version (seriously) - AND it is on display at Raving. I loved how well they did it, but think there only a tiny market for Casino Cribbage. They have a few installs in Canada. Our own CRMousseau did the fine math on the game.
Agreed-I thought it was an awesome game, but only for the very small niche of casino visitors who play cribbage AND would play a variation of it vs. the dealer.
Also, there are two spots the Casinos can create custom side bet bonuses if someone letters in their casino name or whatever words they choose. So, MGM for instance (2 different letters in the name) would pay 11-1 if the M or G hit on that spin. Venetian (6 different letters) would pay 3-1 if the ball landed on any of those letters.
I found it to be interesting and wondered if the letters would pull more females into the game than numbers.
ZCore13
Quote: Scooter77Agreed-I thought it was an awesome game, but only for the very small niche of casino visitors who play cribbage AND would play a variation of it vs. the dealer.
I think it had some good potential but they did a terrible job of explaining the game and payouts to people that had little or no knowledge of Cribbage. They were experts but weren't able to "dummy down" and go slow enough for people new to the concept. Big mistake.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13There was actually a 2nd roulette game at Raving this year as well. Alphabet Roulette. Instead of numbers, all the spots had letters. Players can spell words or their names or whatever instead of picking favorite numbers.
Also, there are two spots the Casinos can create custom side bet bonuses if someone letters in their casino name or whatever words they choose. So, MGM for instance (2 different letters in the name) would pay 11-1 if the M or G hit on that spin. Venetian (6 different letters) would pay 3-1 if the ball landed on any of those letters.
I found it to be interesting and wondered if the letters would pull more females into the game than numbers.
ZCore13
There is also the: Double Ball Roulette. Roulette with two balls. The debut at the Tropicana has been delayed over more testing.
Quote: Zcore13There was actually a 2nd roulette game at Raving this year as well. Alphabet Roulette. Instead of numbers, all the spots had letters. Players can spell words or their names or whatever instead of picking favorite numbers.
ZCore13
Awesome!
I'd cover 11 letters and spell, 'This game sucks.'
