Raving 2013
I'm comparing this strategy card to your 4+ deck strategy card from WoO for Dealer hitting Soft-17 and see the following differences:
3-to-1 Hard 9:
Do not double against dealer 3.
3-to-1 Hard 10:
Do not double against dealer 9.
3-to-1 Hard 11:
Do not double against dealer Ace.
3-to-1 Soft 13:
Never double, as opposed to doubling against dealer 5 or 6.
3-to-1 Soft 14:
Same as soft 13.
3-to-1- Soft 15:
Do not double against Dealer 4, hit instead.
3-to-1 Soft 17:
Double against a dealer 2, even though that is only a hit in regular BS.
3-1 Soft 18:
Do not double against dealer 2 or 4.
3-to-1 Soft 19:
Do not double against dealer 6.
3-to-1 Pair 2's:
Split against everything except 10-A, probably trying to win one hand and lose the other.
3-to-1 Pair 3's:
Split against all except Ace, same reason, I imagine.
3-to-1 Pair 4's:
Always hit, never split, Hard-eight total, maximize probability of winning hand.
3-to-1 Pair 5's:
Same play/differences as Hard Ten.
3-to-1 Pair 6's:
Split against dealer seven.
3-to-1 Pair 7's:
Split against all except Ace...regular BS only splits against 2-7.
3-to-1 Pair 8's:
Always split, surrender is clearly an awful play, perhaps not even allowed.
3-to-1 Pair 9's:
Split against an Ace.
Conclusion
There are a couple I don't immediately understand, but it is clear that the strategy is mostly geared towards maximizing the probability of winning a hand, or in the case of splits, to win at least one hand, which I'm assuming pushes the 3-1 SB.
Quote: Paigowdan
While a non-voting attendee, I like (my top 5):
1. Arizona Stud;
.
Arizona Stud, Dan? Really? Can they make this just
a little more complicated? Imagine explaining this
mess to your average dumbbell hooplehead. He'd
wander after about 45 sec.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQofvt5CFm8
Quote: CRMousseauIf you split your pair, your 3:1 bet moves to your first non-split hand. In that case, it's like a 'sacrifice split' when you have back betting. In that case, it should be much more obvious why there is value in splitting those small and stiff pairs.
That makes sense, thanks, it was the splits that were confusing me. The reason for doubling less frequently is obvious.
Quote: beachbumbabsThanks, Dan; it's an honor to make your list. I haven't heard much at all about Arizona Stud; would you or someone else who is there please talk about it?
Barbara, I'm honored. you did so well, very impressed. You deserve success, but no guarantee outside of your noticeably fine effort. Never know! May you make it!
Arizona Stud. Link here.
Quote: EvenBobArizona Stud, Dan? Really? Can they make this just
a little more complicated? Imagine explaining this
mess to your average dumbbell hooplehead. He'd
wander after about 45 sec.
Bob, you didn't play or demo the game, I have.
1. good Game.
2. ignore Bob here.
Quote: Mission146One for the Money is the only one I like. I would like 3-to-1 Blackjack side bet if not for the House Edge, assuming I got that right, they could reduce the HE by having some kind of bonus (maybe 3.5:1 or 4:1?) on a winning Natural for the Side Bet.
Thanks, Mission; I'm honored, really! I hope we get to meet each other at a table of it sometime soon!
Quote: Paigowdan
Arizona Stud. Link here.
Bob, you didn't play or demo the game, I have.
1. good Game.
2. ignore Bob here.
I saw the video, it's way too complicated to catch
on very well. That's it in a nutshell.
Quote: CRMousseauIncidentally, regarding the "Lucky Lay Down" and "Guts" games, I was approached to do some math, got haggled on with the quote, and he eventually passed. It's likely that they were put in there without any math done whatsoever. This may explain the appearance of the games at the booth.
Charles,
You were our single biggest expense in the first 3 months of development, and worth every penny. Thanks again.
Quote: beachbumbabsCharles,
You were our single biggest expense in the first 3 months of development, and worth every penny. Thanks again.
Glad to hera that Babs, it's always a balancing act as a contractor to try and price my services fairly. It helps that you had a game that was pretty straightforward. I'm fairly certain my NDA forbids me from mentioning how complex some games are I've been presented, but hoooooo boy.
Good luck in the show to you and all my other clients; of course I want the show to be a success for everyone since the rising tide that lifts all boats lifts this naval officer right here. Having said that, I AM the reigning and defending "Mathematician of Champions" and I'd like to retain the title for another year. ^.^
Quote: beachbumbabsThanks, Mission; I'm honored, really! I hope we get to meet each other at a table of it sometime soon!
Absolutely, I'd play it.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Paigowdan
Arizona Stud. Link here.
Bob, you didn't play or demo the game, I have.
1. good Game.
2. ignore Bob here.
I saw the video, it's way too complicated to catch
on very well. That's it in a nutshell.
A cranium is a nutshell. The game is not hard, very reasonable.
Quote: CRMousseauGlad to hera that Babs, it's always a balancing act as a contractor to try and price my services fairly. It helps that you had a game that was pretty straightforward. I'm fairly certain my NDA forbids me from mentioning how complex some games are I've been presented, but hoooooo boy.
Good luck in the show to you and all my other clients; of course I want the show to be a success for everyone since the rising tide that lifts all boats lifts this naval officer right here. Having said that, I AM the reigning and defending "Mathematician of Champions" and I'd like to retain the title for another year. ^.^
Charles,
Thanks! We're not eligible for the competition any more, but I hope you retain your title with one of your other clients. Not that I know who they are.
Quote: PaigowdanThe game is not hard, very reasonable.
To YOU, Dan. But you're very well educated and
have a high IQ, everything is easy to you. I often
think it's not possible for you to put yourself in the shoes
of an average IQ person and look at things from
their perspective. Most people just aren't that
bright, if they were, there wouldn't be lottery
tickets or cigarettes. Yes, some smart people
buy both products, but for the most part it's
clueless dolts who don't know any better.
Quote: EvenBobTo YOU, Dan. But you're very well educated and
have a high IQ, everything is easy to you. I often
think it's not possible for you to put yourself in the shoes
of an average IQ person and look at things from
their perspective. Most people just aren't that
bright, if they were, there wouldn't be lottery
tickets or cigarettes. Yes, some smart people
buy both products, but for the most part it's
clueless dolts who don't know any better.
Bob, thanks very much! But I do look for easy and reasonable games, and an off-putting video shouldn't sway your opinion that much. I'm a gambler, and those are the shoes I wear. Game inventors are often poor salesmen. I've seen what's there. Different Raving years have different crops and yields.
Quote: rainmanClicking the top image takes me to the image directory.
At first glance mulligan 21 looks like a pretty big house edge, yuk! but i like the dealer.
Under current rules, proper strategy yields a house edge of 0.42%....but playing basic BJ strategy results in a 1.72% HE. It behooves you to learn the strategy changes which I am sure will be available online somewhere once the game is live.
Quote: ParadigmUnder current rules, proper strategy yields a house edge of 0.42%....but playing basic BJ strategy results in a 1.72% HE. It behooves you to learn the strategy changes which I am sure will be available online somewhere once the game is live.
0.42% you say! Well I guess that falls within the realm of what is already accepted. But I won't be spending any time on learning the strategy. This game has a fatal flaw. If it does make it to the floor it's time there will be extremely short lived.
Quote: rainmanThis game has a fatal flaw. If it does make it to the floor it's time there will be extremely short lived.
Which is what? Or is it only a secret you know. Shhhh..
Whatever.
Quote: EvenBobWhich is what? Or is it only a secret you know. Shhhh..
Whatever.
I didn't think I had to point it out its pretty blatant. The game designers built the game and payed no mind to the state of mind the players are going to be in when their hand has the dealer beat but they push. It's one thing getting dealt 20 and having the dealer hit out to 20 and push, It sucks but hey it's a legitimate tie. Now how do you think the players are going to feel getting dealt hands that have the dealer beat but push instead of winning. It psychologically will take its toll quickly. Not winning when you have the dealer beat is absurd and will quickly sour all those who try it.
In my opinion there is a difference psychologically pushing on dealer 22 vs. 17
I hope I'm wrong and you guys kill it.
Quote: rainmanNot winning when you have the dealer beat is absurd and will quickly sour all those who try it.
No it won't. Same thing happens in EZ Bac. A winning hand,
normally, is turned into a push. And nobody cares. A push
is not a loss, that's all the player cares about.
Somebody here recently pointed out this strategy is one of
the most brilliant to come out in recent years, making a win
into a push. The HE benefits and the player isn't hurt. Ingenious.
Quote: EvenBobNo it won't. Same thing happens in EZ Bac. A winning hand,
normally, is turned into a push. And nobody cares. A push
is not a loss, that's all the player cares about.
But in this example its not just one hand that will push, your going to push with 4 different hands you normally wouldn't ( 18,19,20,21)
It will take a toll.
+1Quote: ParadigmBut there are a lot of players currently enjoying Blackjack Switch & Free Bet BJ that are good with the trade off of the Push 22 rules in those games
I've played a lot of Blackjack Switch in Vegas, and I've never heard one person genuinely gripe over pushing on a 22. Sure, there are some light-hearted "Darn, too bad I didn't win!" type comments, but nobody has expressed genuine anger. If anything, people I've played with actually like BJ Switch MORE than regular BJ.
Quote: rainman
But in this example its not just one hand that will push, your going to push with 4 different hands you normally wouldn't ( 18,19,20,21)
It will take a toll.
This game is not for the hard core BJ player. It's for
the dumbass ploppie who thinks 6/5 is a good game.
He won't care about the pushes, believe it. All he
cares about is he didn't LOSE. And that's that same
as winning to these brainiacs.
Quote: ParadigmWayne has cleaned up Arizona Stud significantly since this video was shot...too many changes to post from my iPhone, but it now is a pretty sharp 5 card Stud game and has a good chance to be in the top 3.
I agree. Wayne has a good game.
Quote: IntelligencerWizard, I looked at all of the pictures posted and it appears that there are a few exhibitors missing. I do not know if that was intentional or not. However, I was walking around the floor and noticed Switch was sitting at game yesterday that was next to Wayne's. The game was very simple to learn, and was performing extremely well (strong drop, head count and hold) at the casino that is hosting the field trial. Switch was impressed with the game's concept and that the developers had a $1 side bet that could pay each player $1,000,000! Yes, I know not one DTG will go for that. However, with that $1,000,000 bet payout per player (possibly a $6,000,000 hit) being insured or offered as an aggregate progressive, if marketed to the gambler and casinos properly, the game and side bet has potential to revolutionize the industry.
Might I respectfully inquire as to whether or not you, personally, have any stake in the game to which you allude? And, if so, by all means please introduce yourself and tout your game more openly! What makes the game simple to learn? How is it played? What are the Rules? If not, my apologies for asking, but I'm a guy that usually knows an advertisement when I hear one. It's cool, though, touting your game is perfectly allowed here.
If you simply like the game, please tell us more about it. For instance, the name of the game would be a nice place to start.
Quote: IntelligencerWizard, I looked at all of the pictures posted and it appears that there are a few exhibitors missing.
I know. I didn't have enough time to visit every game.
Quote: terapinedI see pictures of all these new games and nothing really stands out to me.
People want to have fun, not learn new rules.
I always thought a new gambling game should be somewhat based on sports.
Football or baseball, transfer the essence of the game to a board game and then figure out a gambling angle.
I love games and through the 60's and 70's their were board versions of sports such as baseball with stratomatic.
Too me the advantage of transferring the sports games to a board game is that everybody is familiar with the sports arcane rules.
Maybe this is all absurd and ridiculous, but I was thinking such as Football as a board game and gambler is calling offensive plays, longshots, long pass, low odds, running play.
House is defence, Touchdown wins money, field goal even money, turning over on downs, house wins.
Gambler gets shot at trying to put together a touchdown drive over and over calling simple offensive plays. Roll dice to determine outcome of play due to odds of play working. Long pass, got to roll a 2 3 11 12, everything else incomplete. short pass, roll 7 to complete ect.
Maybe this is a seed to a great idea, maybe this is just the stoner in me talking.
Hi terapined,
From wizardofodds.com:
3 Dice Football is a new game I noticed at O'Shea's on April 2, 2011. The game attempts to simulate the game of American football using three dice. The player may bet that a given possession will result in a touchdown or turnover, as well as lots of prop bets on each roll. It is certainly a new concept and I have to give the inventor points for trying something different, as opposed to the usual blackjack and poker variants.
Quote: Paigowdan(my top 5):
1. Arizona Stud;
2. Mulligan 21
3. 3 to 1 BJ
4. One For The Money.
5. Double Draw.
My top 3 table-game and a side-bet.
Table-Games:
1. One For The Money
2. Mulligan 21
3. Arizona Stud (Before the cleaned up)
Side-Bet: 3 to 1 BJ
I don't know about the game, but the comment about the side bet seems asinine. Odds must be astronomical and people will wait and
buy an umpteen million dollar Lotto ticket or play a Progressive slot machine. Hopefully your evaluation of the game itself is more
lucid.
Quote: MrCasinoGamesMy top 3 table-game and a side-bet.
Table-Games:
1. One For The Money
2. Mulligan 21
3. Arizona Stud (Before the cleaned up)
Side-Bet: 3 to 1 BJ
Wow, Stephen! Thank you so much! We're ineligible, but that means a lot for you to say that.
I get confused easily. Assume the chart is for equal amount bet on BJ hand and side bet ? ? ?
If I have $50 on BJ and $5 on side bet, does that change a lot of things, say splitting small pairs ?
If I have $ 5 on BJ and $25 on side bet, does that change double-down strategy ?
It is capped at an amount equal to the regular blackjack wager, by the way.
Thanks for the enlightenment. Would add that you are a gentleman and a scholar, but most everybody here already knows that.
Uh oh, lost again. regular did it. Does that mean both bets must be equal or that side bet can not exceed table minimum ?
Quote: Buzzard" It is capped at an amount equal to the regular blackjack wager, by the way."
Uh oh, lost again. regular did it. Does that mean both bets must be equal or that side bet can not exceed table minimum ?
The way Charles said that, I take it that the sidebet may not exceed the regular wager, as well as neither may exceed the house maximum for each bet, which might be equal or different. JMHO, since he didn't answer yet.
1. Blackjack War
2. Riverboat Roulette
3. 3 to 1 Blackjack
Quote: CRMousseauThe optimal strategy does indeed change as the ratio of regular BJ to side bet changes.
It is capped at an amount equal to the regular blackjack wager, by the way.
Side bet counting protection, they already thought of it, nice...
Bob, thanks for searching into youtube for Arizona Stud. Sorry for posting the "older" version of the game. The lost Dutchman's gold mine has been found in the new Arizona Stud!!! We have revised the game tremendously, so the old video on youtube is now down. We showed the new version of the game and will be posted on youtube soon. Guess what, many many attendees including Dan, like the game, and we got a commitment already. Please look for the new version on youtube soon. I agree with Dan:Quote: PaigowdanBarbara, I'm honored. you did so well, very impressed. You deserve success, but no guarantee outside of your noticeably fine effort. Never know! May you make it!
Arizona Stud. Link here.
Bob, you didn't play or demo the game, I have.
1. good Game.
2. ignore Bob here.
1. good game
2. ignore Bob here. :-)))
But I still appreciate Bob's intro.
Sorry, M21 did not win, but it is just one of the many tradeshows. Customer contacts are most critical. We got 2 placements as the result of the show 2 years ago without winning the contest.
Thank you so much, Mike and Daniel. We are guilty for not updating the video on youtube. It is now down. The new version will be up soon. It was a good show. Even though we did not win in the contest, we have received some serious commitments from attendees. See Arizona Stud in casinos near you soon.Quote: CrystalMathI agree. Wayne has a good game.
Quote: EvenBobYes! It works at home very well, and it sucks
in a casino. You get drunks and hoopleheads,
you can tell them 8 times ace is low, and they'll
still yell WOO HOO when they get one.
What the hell is a hooplehead?
Quote: AcesAndEightsWhat the hell is a hooplehead?
1. hooplehead
a member of the ignorant masses; an uneducated commoner; an idiot.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoople-head
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Quote: etablegamesBob, thanks for searching into youtube for Arizona Stud. Sorry for posting the "older" version of the game. The lost Dutchman's gold mine has been found in the new Arizona Stud!!! We have revised the game tremendously, so the old video on youtube is now down. We showed the new version of the game and will be posted on youtube soon. Guess what, many many attendees including Dan, like the game, and we got a commitment already. Please look for the new version on youtube soon. I agree with Dan:Quote: PaigowdanBarbara, I'm honored. you did so well, very impressed. You deserve success, but no guarantee outside of your noticeably fine effort. Never know! May you make it!
Arizona Stud. Link here.
Bob, you didn't play or demo the game, I have.
1. good Game.
2. ignore Bob here.
1. good game
2. ignore Bob here. :-)))
But I still appreciate Bob's intro.
Sorry, M21 did not win, but it is just one of the many tradeshows. Customer contacts are most critical. We got 2 placements as the result of the show 2 years ago without winning the contest.
Quote: allinriverkingWell, I guess using Aces for low only, doesn't hurt a game's chances... Blackjack War takes first...
Yes, but in BJ everybody knows an ace can be high
OR low. It's no deviation from what people already expect.
PS will be back for my title next year!
