2013 Raving's Table Games Conference: who is going?

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October 18th, 2013 at 5:21:13 PM permalink

Babs is going. I never ask a lady what she intends to show !

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October 18th, 2013 at 8:49:50 PM permalink

I'd like to go, but it just isn't gonna happen this year - unless someone takes a strong interest in Poker For Roulette REAL soon...

In retrospect, I think I should have done that instead of G2E.

Maybe next year....

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October 18th, 2013 at 9:12:37 PM permalink

I'm going. The game I'm showing (a base game and our favorite variation) will be posted in full in the Game Inventor's Corner on the 25th. There's teaser information on the Raving website for me and a bunch of others.

I'm really glad I got a chance to meet you at WoV dinner, Teddy; you're a great guy with a lot of heart and an asset around here. Sorry you won't be at Raving.

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October 18th, 2013 at 9:23:30 PM permalink

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the way the game plays, math
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October 18th, 2013 at 9:26:40 PM permalink

Could the gracious Mister Dan Lubin have had some input as to these awards ? ? ?

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October 21st, 2013 at 9:15:05 AM permalink

Quote: UCivan
Who is going as a vendor??? What are you showing?

Here is a link to the website: Ravings/BNP Media's Cutting Edge Table Game Conference

At the right of the home page, you can see logos of sponsors, exhibitors, etc. some of which link to the game they are exhibiting. There are definitely some new game concepts exhibited that I have not seen discussed here, so it should be an interesting show.

You can click on the "BNTG" tab to see some descriptions of games in the competition. My understanding is Galaxy/SHFL will be exhibiting games, but not entering them in the competition.

Lucky and I will be exhibiting "Mulligan 21" and if interested you can click on the logo link to find out details on the game. It is a BJ variant that also includes "Lucky Stiff" as the game's side bet.

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October 21st, 2013 at 10:01:23 AM permalink

Quote: Buzzard
Could the gracious Mister Dan Lubin have had some input as to these awards ? ? ?

Well, Dan works for Galaxy, and there's this little item on the website:

Quote:
�Galaxy Gaming has graciously offered the 1st, 2nd, 3rd place winners of the Best New Table Games Competition Additional Benefits�

Yeah, I'd say Dan should have a few comments.

The more I read about this, the more I wish I was there. If not as an exhibitor, then at least as a participant/observer.

Next year for sure!

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October 21st, 2013 at 10:45:16 AM permalink

Quote: DJTeddyBear
Well, Dan works for Galaxy, and there's this little item on the website:
Yeah, I'd say Dan should have a few comments.

Actually, sorry. I would like to comment. We have a Sales Manager to handle announcements, comments, all that jazz.
I'm just going to keep my comments to personal observations as "Pai Gow Dan" on non-company stuff, and not a "Mr. Galaxy Gaming rep online."

If you do send in gaming materials to us, and demo the games for us, then yes, I'm the guy.

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October 21st, 2013 at 12:26:30 PM permalink

Quote: Paradigm

Lucky and I will be exhibiting "Mulligan 21".

Is that the Wiz's game?

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October 21st, 2013 at 12:52:39 PM permalink

Dan -
Understood. I didn't mean to volunteer you to give details. I merely thought it weird that you hadn't posted here yet.

Bob -
No. His game was Mulligan Poker - a variation of Three Card Poker.

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October 21st, 2013 at 12:56:39 PM permalink

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Bob -
No. His game was Mulligan Poker - a variation of Three Card Poker.

So there are two Mulligan games? Isn't the name
Mulligan trademarked by either of the inventors?
Kind of confusing, I would think.

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October 21st, 2013 at 1:15:49 PM permalink

No, I think that is called 3 Card Mulligan isn't it??

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November 6th, 2013 at 9:53:21 PM permalink

Quote: Paradigm

Lucky and I will be exhibiting "Mulligan 21" .

I really like this game and think it has a good chance of
winning. It has everything a player wants, it take a losing
hand gives it another chance and costs nothing to do it.
Simple but brilliant idea, good luck with it.

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November 7th, 2013 at 5:57:58 AM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
It has everything a player wants ... it takes a losing
hand, gives it another chance and costs nothing to do it.

Thanks EB. You get it. Can we use your concisely phrased explanation in our promotional materials? :-)

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November 7th, 2013 at 6:22:53 AM permalink

Lucky,

Good luck with your game.

Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com

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November 7th, 2013 at 6:41:16 AM permalink

Thanks Stephen ... and let me know if you're gonna be over on this side of the Pacific during the show.

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November 7th, 2013 at 7:09:14 AM permalink

Well done guys. Mulligan 21 for the Gold. Nice format now, Lucky.

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November 7th, 2013 at 7:27:55 AM permalink

Thanks Buzz. Of course we're going for the Gold; the competition's good this year, the field is broad, and Paradigm and I are excited about the challenge to earn it.

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November 7th, 2013 at 11:26:02 AM permalink

"Mulligan 21 is a blackjack variant where players have an option to replace a hit Face Card (J, Q, or K) with the next card in the shoe. This "Mulligan" option is available once per hand and can be used even when the Face Card busts a player's hand. Blackjack always wins even money and all player bets push on any dealer hand total of 17. Mulligan 21 also includes a new proprietary side bet called "Lucky Stiff".

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November 7th, 2013 at 11:32:34 AM permalink

Quote: Lucky
Thanks EB. You get it. Can we use your concisely phrased explanation in our promotional materials? :-)

Sure. This is a great game because it's super
easy to understand and it push's and pulls the
players emotions, which they want. It takes
that yuk feeling you get in your gut when you
bust on a 12, and turns it into immediate hope
that you can still win. It gives you some control
over the game, which keeps people playing. I
think it has a good chance of winning if the dealer
at Raving explains it properly and conveys how
exciting this is for the player.

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:21:06 PM permalink

Who is taking over this site?

RIP WIZARD

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:23:38 PM permalink

We are taking contributions for a selection committee. PM me for the paypal address.

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:34:21 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
This is a great game because it's super
easy to understand and it pushes and pulls the
players emotions, which they want. It takes [away]
that yuk feeling you get in your gut when you
bust on a 12, and turns it into immediate hope
that you can still win. It gives you some control
over the game, which keeps people playing. I
think it has a good chance of winning if the dealer
at Raving explains it properly and conveys how
exciting this is for the player.

Good points. And agreed that it's important that the player-advantaged Mulligan feature be well explained.

As a footnote to your 'bust on hard 12' example, players should be equally pleased when they get a face when hitting (or doubling down on) a soft 12 - 18 and then get a Mulligan (and possibly further hits if needed after the replacement card).

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:39:42 PM permalink

Quote: Lucky
Quote: EvenBob
This is a great game because it's super
easy to understand and it pushes and pulls the
players emotions, which they want. It takes [away]
that yuk feeling you get in your gut when you
bust on a 12, and turns it into immediate hope
that you can still win. It gives you some control
over the game, which keeps people playing. I
think it has a good chance of winning if the dealer
at Raving explains it properly and conveys how
exciting this is for the player.

Good points. And agreed that it's important that the player-advantaged Mulligan feature be well explained.

As a footnote to your 'bust on hard 12' example, players should be equally pleased when they get a face when hitting (or doubling down on) a soft 12 - 18 and then get a Mulligan (and possibly further hits if needed after the replacement card).

I want to make sure that I'm clear that even after the replacement card is dealt, you can still keep receiving hits if you desire? Example, initial hand dealt, 12, you hit, get a 10, so you bust with 22, your replacement for your 10 bust card is a 2, so now you have 14(which isn't that hot) so you get to take another hit to better your 14? Of course this is all based on the strategy, just asking.

Thanks.

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:49:58 PM permalink

Quote: Alan
I want to make sure that I'm clear that even after the replacement card is dealt, you can still keep receiving hits if you desire? Example, initial hand dealt, 12, you hit, get a 10, so you bust with 22, your replacement for your 10 bust card is a 2, so now you have 14(which isn't that hot) so you get to take another hit to better your 14? Of course this is all based on the strategy, just asking.

Thanks.

Yes, Alan. In your example, you can continue to hit at will on your hard 14 after the replacement 2. But you are limited to one Mulligan per hand played; e.g., if you split 7s, you may take one Mulligan for each hand of the two hands.

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:50:50 PM permalink

Quote: Lucky
players should be equally pleased when they get a face when hitting (or doubling down on) a soft 12 - 18 and then get a Mulligan (and possibly further hits if needed after the replacement card).

Exactly. It feels like you're getting something for
nothing, and that appeals to everybody. The huge
advantage this game has, and it is huge, is that
everybody has played BJ and is familiar with it. So
the fact that you can get another card, and the
benefits of that, will be instantly understood.

All of the players at Raving are experts and I expect
the dealer to get quizzed a lot on the even money
payout on BJ's. She (I'm assuming it's a hot model)
must explain to them that the 6/5 tables are always
crowded, even money is really not that much different.
The obvious advantage of M-21 will outweigh any
objection to the payout.

When people go to the casino they want familiarity in
the games offered. It's their money and they are always
leery of new games. People are very loyal to their brands;
they always drink the same beverage, smoke the same
smokes, and play the same games. M-21 will fit right into
their comfort zone. I would actually play it when I was
done with roulette for the day, and I've never said that
about any other game since I've been on this forum.

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:52:16 PM permalink

Hell Lucky, if I was there at Raving I'd for sure put a few asses in the seats and make them play Mulligan. LOL

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:53:50 PM permalink

" I would actually play it when I was
done with roulette for the day, and I've never said that
about any other game since I've been on this forum. "

Damn, I had to scroll back up and make sure that was Bob's post.

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November 7th, 2013 at 12:54:45 PM permalink

Thanks Lucky.

You're right EB, sounds like you get a second life for free. I hate getting killed in regular BJ.

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November 7th, 2013 at 1:02:10 PM permalink

Quote: Buzzard
" I would actually play it when I was
done with roulette for the day, and I've never said that
about any other game since I've been on this forum. "

Damn, I had to scroll back up and make sure that was Bob's post.

I played BJ for 30 years and got tired of it. This
would be fun to have a few drinks and relax with.

What does the HE work out to with M-21, I don't see
it written anywhere.

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November 7th, 2013 at 1:32:30 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
All of the players at Raving are experts and I expect
the dealer to get quizzed a lot on the even money
payout on BJ's. She (I'm assuming it's a hot model)
must explain to them that the 6/5 tables are always
crowded, even money is really not that much different.
The obvious advantage of M-21 will outweigh any
objection to the payout.

Yes, EB, she's a very attractive 'party pit' dealer (you'll find the 6/5 tables there) who's also very smart and engaging. She will be accurately instructed that the net 'loss' to the player of the 'Blackjack Always Wins Even Money' rule is -2%, while the net 'gain' to the player of the Mulligan rule is nearly +7% ...

... which begs the question: "Where's the difference on a .6 to .7% HE BJ game?", which can be answered by the main compensating rule - 'All Bets Push on any Dealer 17.' The beauty of Push 17, though, is that, while it's more advantageous to the house, it can also be advantageous to the player (stand on hard 15 against dealer 7 with a ten hole card) ... so it's psychologically much easier to tolerate by players than a rule that's ALWAYS a bad deal when it occurs.

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November 7th, 2013 at 1:40:39 PM permalink

Damn Lucky, shades of Matthew Brady. Sounds likes the house is giving away money.

Dare I ask what the HE is against proper strategy ?

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November 7th, 2013 at 1:53:33 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
What does the HE work out to with M-21, I don't see
it written anywhere.

For optimal M21 strategy, the HE is 0.42%. But player mistakes will increase that margin more than in regular BJ because of the adjustments to basic BJ strategy, which are primarily for the hard 12 - 16 hands (stiffs). For example, the Mulligan rule makes hitting on the low stiff totals, doubling down, and splitting more attractive; conversely, the Push 17 rule makes standing on the high stiff totals more attractive.

So there is an interesting strategy pull between the Mulligan and Push 17 rules. Players should always hit hard 12 and always stand on hard 16 (except against a dealer Ace), for instance, and always stand on hard 13-15 against a dealer upcard of 7 (think about it). But a simple M21 strategy is fairly intuitive and easy to learn; we disclose it on our rack card.

Our compatible 'Lucky Stiff' side bet has a HE just above 4% for the preferred paytable.

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November 7th, 2013 at 1:59:36 PM permalink

Quote: Buzzard
Damn Lucky, shades of Matthew Brady. Sounds likes the house is giving away money.

Dare I ask what the HE is against proper strategy ?

That's the idea, Buzz ... a disguised compensating rule and 'perceived' giveaway! See above for the HE.

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November 7th, 2013 at 2:02:18 PM permalink

Damn, if Romney had you managing his campaign, he would be President today.

Smoke and mirrors and a dog and pony show all wrapped up in one.

WELL DONE SIR !

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November 7th, 2013 at 2:10:54 PM permalink

Thanks Buzz.

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November 7th, 2013 at 3:03:59 PM permalink

Quote: Lucky
.. so it's psychologically much easier to tolerate by players

Another great thing is every casino has loads of
BJ tables, this game has a good chance of catching
on because it won't be replacing another game.
There won't be any complaints of 'where did my
old game go' because there will still be plenty of
regular BJ tables to choose from.

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November 7th, 2013 at 3:28:34 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
All of the players at Raving are experts and I expect
the dealer to get quizzed a lot on the even money
payout on BJ's. She (I'm assuming it's a hot model)
must explain

We have engaged the services of the lovely Angela Wyman, Wiz's model in his video series, to provide model/dealing services at the Raving Conference. Lucky & I will be present to answer any questions at the table as well.

The real beauty of Angela is her ability to engage in intelligent conversation while being a gem to look at. Thanks to Wiz for vouching for us when we inquired about her availability at G2E.

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November 7th, 2013 at 3:39:24 PM permalink

Quote: Paradigm
We have engaged the services of the lovely Angela Wyman.

Lovely indeed. This is Angela:

And in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhPVps4HtHw

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November 7th, 2013 at 3:39:53 PM permalink

double

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November 7th, 2013 at 3:44:25 PM permalink

A great game, one beautiful dealer and 2 nice game inventors!!! Let's all vote for "Mulligan 21"!

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November 7th, 2013 at 3:54:36 PM permalink

Quote: UCivan
A great game, one beautiful dealer

Even better video of Angela, what a doll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8l5Oo4XVeo

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November 7th, 2013 at 4:19:14 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
Lovely indeed. This is Angela:

Dan,

I sure wish you would teach craps players some etiquette(as when to buy in(when the damn puck is BLACK)).

Good video, and she is smokin'.

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November 7th, 2013 at 4:29:20 PM permalink

Quote: Alan
Dan,

I sure wish you would teach craps players some etiquette(as when to buy in(when the damn puck is BLACK)).

Ah, the good old days!
Trying to teach crap players etiquette is like herding cats, just thankful for the few gracious players we come across. Just to get them to hold their buy in money and off the table until the dice are in the center is miraculous enough!

Quote: Alan
Good video, and she is smokin'.

She's an angel, truly.

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November 7th, 2013 at 5:47:03 PM permalink

Quote: UCivan
A great game, one beautiful dealer and 2 nice game inventors!!! Let's all vote for "Mulligan 21"!

Very Kind U, Thank you.

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November 8th, 2013 at 12:04:07 PM permalink

In 2009, Fortune Teller Blackjack was the winner at Raving. What
has happened to this game since, does it have installs anywhere?
If it does, I can't find them. In fact, there is little about it when I
Google it except it's a DEQ game and there was high hopes in
2009.

In 2010, Triple Attack Blackjack, a Galaxy game, won. Is this doing
well? Stephen How wrote an article saying it was very vulnerable
to counting, did this kill the game? http://discountgambling.net/category/triple-attack-blackjack/

In 2008 EZ Bac won, which was in all our local casinos
until it disappeared because the Asians refused to
play it. It's still around, but is it really doing all that well?

There was no Raving in 2011. Four years, four winners, and none
of the winners seem to be going gangbusters. Eliot Jacobson put it
in perspective when he said about Raving:

Almost every game developer believes he has the best game. It is tough to lose this competition and hard feelings are common. But game development is a brutal business. The costs are extraordinarily high and the chances for success are microscopic. The number of new games and side bets that have attained commercial success in the last 5 years can be counted on one hand.

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November 8th, 2013 at 12:13:44 PM permalink

I don't know of any Fortune Teller locations and I was one of the last two Triple Attack Blackjack placements when I removed mine in Feb. Not sure if the last one still remains or if anything additional got placed.

It is very rare for any game to make it and when one does, most of the time it's a short lifespan. That's kind of the theory behind Three Card Poker not really being a Carnival game anymore. It made it and then some. But that's so uncommon it's silly.

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