Aria tries Multihand Poker
December 6th, 2012 at 5:20:17 PM
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Quote: BuzzardI can not see people playing shorthanded against a $3 rake. I mean most rooms try and limit players away from the table ( food,
potty, etc ) to no more than 2 so there are 8 players still there. At this table there are 8 players MAX. That's if all play both spots. Playing one spot is an option. So when 2 are away you have 6 players max. If 2 of them are only playing one hand, then one of the games is 4 handed . WTF
The description says the table can be nine handed, even with two dealers. I expect they would be quicker to rack a players chips and give his seat to the next on the list, since it is equivalent to two empty spots.
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December 6th, 2012 at 5:21:12 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneToo much for Aria to want to keep it I guess, since virtually all other poker games have no royalty. And yesterday they ran it with a $3 rake per pot cap and $3/hr comps. So unless it really doubled the hand rate (unlikely), I don't see this going far.
Did they only spread Omaha and Hold Em, or were there other combinations?
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December 6th, 2012 at 5:27:11 PM
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All the pix of the table are 8 handed. As for filling a spot, a player will not be happy if he has to go back on the list. Like there will be
a waiting list. Plus the players have the option of just playing one spot.
With 2 different limits I can see 1 or 2 players doing that. Or even 1 or 2 players going broke on one hand and not wanting to re-buy for that hand. Either case leaves players playing 6 handed at best on one game. This is just not a good idea. Hard to believe a poker pro came up with it !
a waiting list. Plus the players have the option of just playing one spot.
With 2 different limits I can see 1 or 2 players doing that. Or even 1 or 2 players going broke on one hand and not wanting to re-buy for that hand. Either case leaves players playing 6 handed at best on one game. This is just not a good idea. Hard to believe a poker pro came up with it !
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December 6th, 2012 at 8:07:13 PM
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I stand corrected 9 player positions.
If a player takes a long time to make a decision on one hand, stopping the action, the other hand continues and the rest of the table is not left waiting on that one player.
That's what it says. If he tanks on first hand, how can the second hand continue ? WTF
The more I know, the more confused I am.
The first Multi Action Poker games played at the public Wednesday night were $3/$6 and $5/$10 Fixed-Limit Hold’em, chosen because Fixed-Limit is an uncomplicated game and will be easier to run while any kinks are being worked out. Multi Action Poker is at the beginning of a 30-day trial for Nevada Gaming Control,
Anyway here's the latest http://pokerfuse.com/news/live-and-online/multi-action-poker-debuts-at-aria-today-06-12/
If a player takes a long time to make a decision on one hand, stopping the action, the other hand continues and the rest of the table is not left waiting on that one player.
That's what it says. If he tanks on first hand, how can the second hand continue ? WTF
The more I know, the more confused I am.
The first Multi Action Poker games played at the public Wednesday night were $3/$6 and $5/$10 Fixed-Limit Hold’em, chosen because Fixed-Limit is an uncomplicated game and will be easier to run while any kinks are being worked out. Multi Action Poker is at the beginning of a 30-day trial for Nevada Gaming Control,
Anyway here's the latest http://pokerfuse.com/news/live-and-online/multi-action-poker-debuts-at-aria-today-06-12/
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December 6th, 2012 at 8:17:13 PM
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Here is a video. With only 4 players, no less ! Imagine 9 .
http://pokerati.com/2012/12/video-of-multi-action-poker-at-aria/
http://pokerati.com/2012/12/video-of-multi-action-poker-at-aria/
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December 6th, 2012 at 8:28:31 PM
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A few years back the same idea was tested in live poker format on pokerpro. It sounded pretty fun.
It was developed and user tested. It was very very confusing and not well recieved by players. Pokerpro chose to shelve the software feature for the time being.
It was developed and user tested. It was very very confusing and not well recieved by players. Pokerpro chose to shelve the software feature for the time being.
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December 7th, 2012 at 8:33:38 AM
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Check out the video above if you need a laugh
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December 7th, 2012 at 8:53:09 AM
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Quote: BuzzardHere is a video. With only 4 players, no less ! Imagine 9 .
http://pokerati.com/2012/12/video-of-multi-action-poker-at-aria/
Wow, that is something. With a full table, imagine the bedlam.
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December 7th, 2012 at 8:58:59 AM
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Not a lot of room to drag your pot winnings to your spot and then stack them without being very close to the stacks of the player right next to you. Take a look at the video Buzz linked where the guy drags the pot. Now imagine a player in the seat next to him with a monster chip stack, how is that going to work?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:17:17 AM
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Quote: ParadigmNot a lot of room to drag your pot winnings to your spot and then stack them without being very close to the stacks of the player right next to you. Take a look at the video Buzz linked where the guy drags the pot. Now imagine a player in the seat next to him with a monster chip stack, how is that going to work?
Not to mention room to bring your arms in to look at your cards while trying to protect the hand from other players. I think there will be some novelty to this game that will attract players for a short amount of time, but that will die out and the table will be removed. I'll give it longer than most, I'll predict the end of April.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:26:44 AM
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It will attract guys who's motto is " Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat. " It boggles my mind to think of all the moves you could make. Like hiding your cards behind a divider so guys at far end might think you are out of a hand. Accidentally knocking over your chip stack from hand 1 to 2 when close to the felt on 2. Hitting the divider as you muck to " accidentally" expose your hand.
Imagine the fight to request a seat change to get a little closer to the flop. I mean my 2 seats are gone that I usually sit in to see the cards better. With 2 flops, one hand is closer but the other is farther away. Mathematically it's the same, but not visually.
I don't think even Shuflemaster could give this game away, let alone ask for a royalty.
Imagine the fight to request a seat change to get a little closer to the flop. I mean my 2 seats are gone that I usually sit in to see the cards better. With 2 flops, one hand is closer but the other is farther away. Mathematically it's the same, but not visually.
I don't think even Shuflemaster could give this game away, let alone ask for a royalty.
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December 7th, 2012 at 9:07:22 PM
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According to a radio interview with the floor man opening day, the game started with 2 hold'em 3-6 games and bets were getting
confused, so after 2 hours the table was switched to a 3-6 and a 5-10 hold'em game. By then the table only had 4 or 5 players and stayed that way for hours. The game is not approved for pot limit or no limit.
The floor man thought no limit would improve the games. BET ME !!!
confused, so after 2 hours the table was switched to a 3-6 and a 5-10 hold'em game. By then the table only had 4 or 5 players and stayed that way for hours. The game is not approved for pot limit or no limit.
The floor man thought no limit would improve the games. BET ME !!!
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June 29th, 2013 at 8:50:56 AM
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As I prepare for my next Vegas trip, I got reminded of my desire to see and perhaps play in this game.
I discovered two interesting YouTube videos.
This first one was already posted in this thread. It was shot on one of the first days it was in use. The guy in the white shirt seated but not playing is the inventor, getting suggestions from the players.
http://youtu.be/qYJThbZOA34
This second video was not posted here yet. It was shot after they made some changes. Things I noticed are the wooden divider is gone, and the color printing on the felt is much better providing a lot more contrast between the two games.
http://youtu.be/BzIrlyPgESY
Both videos are about 2 minutes, with bad audio and not great image quality, but you can get the idea.
One thing I noticed in the second video is that the red dealer paused while a player was making an action on the black hand. Obviously this is to avoid a card getting flipped on the deal, but it's just one example of one game being delayed because of the other game. (I watched the first video again, and saw the same thing there too!)
I discovered two interesting YouTube videos.
This first one was already posted in this thread. It was shot on one of the first days it was in use. The guy in the white shirt seated but not playing is the inventor, getting suggestions from the players.
http://youtu.be/qYJThbZOA34
This second video was not posted here yet. It was shot after they made some changes. Things I noticed are the wooden divider is gone, and the color printing on the felt is much better providing a lot more contrast between the two games.
http://youtu.be/BzIrlyPgESY
Both videos are about 2 minutes, with bad audio and not great image quality, but you can get the idea.
One thing I noticed in the second video is that the red dealer paused while a player was making an action on the black hand. Obviously this is to avoid a card getting flipped on the deal, but it's just one example of one game being delayed because of the other game. (I watched the first video again, and saw the same thing there too!)
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June 29th, 2013 at 9:17:11 AM
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Please let us know DJ. Per the facebook page Multi Action Poker shareholders decided on March 13 to terminate the trial to protect the integrity of MAP ? Then after a bit of fluff about the improvements made during the trial, they say MAP is now poised to enter the market with this exciting and unique game !
Are you poised with Poker For Roulette also ?
Are you poised with Poker For Roulette also ?
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June 29th, 2013 at 12:38:32 PM
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Yet another fantastic idea of duplicating/merging and is a total load of pants.. INNOVATION not DUPLICATION.
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May 8th, 2015 at 11:06:16 AM
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Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I got good reason.
This abomination is back.
It's live at a casino in Florida. Details:
http://www.southflorida.com/gambling/sf-sortal-column-050815-20150506-story.html
It reminded me that I never gave my review from my visit to the Aria to play it. It had already been removed by the time I got there. So I asked the floorman about it, and he used the exact same phrase I had originally used:
This abomination is back.
It's live at a casino in Florida. Details:
http://www.southflorida.com/gambling/sf-sortal-column-050815-20150506-story.html
It reminded me that I never gave my review from my visit to the Aria to play it. It had already been removed by the time I got there. So I asked the floorman about it, and he used the exact same phrase I had originally used:
Quote: DJTeddyBearBottom line, this has "Cluster-Fuck" witten all over it.
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May 9th, 2015 at 10:43:38 AM
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I have to say, it was pretty fun playing 3/6 and 5/10 limit holdem on that table when it was at the Aria. I couldn't imagine playing no limit on it though.
May 9th, 2015 at 12:26:04 PM
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sabre -
You played it?
Can you provide details? How crazy was it with cards coming from two dealers and action on two hands?
I mean, procedurally, how nuts was it?
You played it?
Can you provide details? How crazy was it with cards coming from two dealers and action on two hands?
I mean, procedurally, how nuts was it?
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May 9th, 2015 at 1:43:18 PM
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It wasn't too bad. It was played 8 handed, and everyone playing certainly had some clue what they were doing. The 3-6 was played with $1 chips and the 5/10 was played with $5 chips, so it wasn't too hard to follow the action. I did have a dealer muck my UTG hand once without me touching it when I was focused on the river action of the other hand. Everyone was just drinking and having a good time trying out the weird game.
The biggest problem I saw was that the game was only going to attract experienced players, making it tough for the game to ever really be soft. I'd be concerned about more player errors (such as me not protecting my hand), which in a NL or PL type game can get expensive. The dealers certainly didn't seem enthused by the game either. Maybe because they were dealing fewer hands/down compared to a normal game.
Also, limit games have very few all in situations and side pots. I could see that being a bit complicated in NL. The center of the table was pretty big though, the dealers were on opposite sides. So there was plenty of room to keep the pots and board well separated.
The biggest problem I saw was that the game was only going to attract experienced players, making it tough for the game to ever really be soft. I'd be concerned about more player errors (such as me not protecting my hand), which in a NL or PL type game can get expensive. The dealers certainly didn't seem enthused by the game either. Maybe because they were dealing fewer hands/down compared to a normal game.
Also, limit games have very few all in situations and side pots. I could see that being a bit complicated in NL. The center of the table was pretty big though, the dealers were on opposite sides. So there was plenty of room to keep the pots and board well separated.
May 15th, 2015 at 1:54:14 PM
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There is also a version of this where you play 2 different hands of Texas Holdem. Two flops, turns and rivers as well. It was at Raving last year. Different inventor, same basic idea. Same kind of dividers to keep your two hands separate.
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May 15th, 2015 at 4:20:16 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaIn order to make it worthwhile, the multi game has to make at least twice as much as a single, otherwise Aria would be better off running two single game tables with more players. Given the slow period with the holidays, and the dealer intensive nature of the design, I can't see this lasting past Superbowl weekend.
I have to disagree here.
If the table gets good enough hours open per day and makes more money per hour than a standard hold'em table, then it will survive.
That said, I think it's unlikely to meet both criteria, but it is possible and a Director of Table Games would probably evaluate it that way and combine it with feedback from players and staff members.
May 15th, 2015 at 4:27:57 PM
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I was referring to the game that ZCore mentioned from Ravings.
I thought it was getting a trial.
The game that the OP mentioned is something different. The latest one would probably fail too, but would have a better chance than the original abomination.
I thought it was getting a trial.
The game that the OP mentioned is something different. The latest one would probably fail too, but would have a better chance than the original abomination.
