Raise it Up Debuts at Pala Casino
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September 2nd, 2012 at 11:56:27 PM
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SHFL's newest poker game, "Raise it Up" debuted last week at Pala Casino in Southern California.
Some facts:
1. It was co-invented by Ofir Ventura of Las Vegas.
2. It placed second at the SHFL focus group in August 2011.
3. It is a six-card paytable game; the object is to get a pair of 10s or better.
4. It features a Pair Plus side bet based on the player's first three cards.
5. It will be one of the eight new games SHFL will show at G2E.
For more info, click: http://discountgambling.net/
--Roger
Some facts:
1. It was co-invented by Ofir Ventura of Las Vegas.
2. It placed second at the SHFL focus group in August 2011.
3. It is a six-card paytable game; the object is to get a pair of 10s or better.
4. It features a Pair Plus side bet based on the player's first three cards.
5. It will be one of the eight new games SHFL will show at G2E.
For more info, click: http://discountgambling.net/
--Roger
September 20th, 2012 at 10:49:56 PM
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I just added a page on Raise it Up. As always, I welcome comments and corrections.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 20th, 2012 at 11:28:44 PM
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Mike, under rule #6, you have:
6. Player gives player a fifth card. Should be "Dealer gives...
6. Player gives player a fifth card. Should be "Dealer gives...
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September 21st, 2012 at 4:23:05 AM
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Also, it isn't clear that any additional cards given after the initial three-card hand are community cards. If you're unfamiliar with LIR or UTH you wouldn't necessarily know that.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
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September 21st, 2012 at 6:37:33 AM
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Thanks for those corrections.
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September 21st, 2012 at 6:57:45 AM
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It's much clearer now!
It looks as though the minimum will have to be $10 with the two pair payoff set at 1.5, unless they'll have $2.50 chips on the table. That could mean having an initial outlay of $55 (assuming a minimum $5 on the Pair Plus) if you're following the strategy and are dealt a low pair. If the cards don't fall your way you lose $45 instead of pushing like you would on Let It Ride with a $5 Pair Plus and $5 minimum when dealt a low pair. You'd need a much bigger bankroll to start this game.
It looks as though the minimum will have to be $10 with the two pair payoff set at 1.5, unless they'll have $2.50 chips on the table. That could mean having an initial outlay of $55 (assuming a minimum $5 on the Pair Plus) if you're following the strategy and are dealt a low pair. If the cards don't fall your way you lose $45 instead of pushing like you would on Let It Ride with a $5 Pair Plus and $5 minimum when dealt a low pair. You'd need a much bigger bankroll to start this game.
Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
Preparing for a fight about your bad decision is not as smart as making a good decision.
September 21st, 2012 at 7:52:57 AM
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What's the name of the game?
The Wiz page includes "stud" in the heading and intro, as well as the link to Elliot's blog about it. (Elliot also includes the word "stud".)
However, the original poster was Roger. He did not include "stud". If anyone would know the correct name, he would.
Of course, I think "Raise It Up, Stud" is a cool name, but in a "That's what she said" sort of way.
The Wiz page includes "stud" in the heading and intro, as well as the link to Elliot's blog about it. (Elliot also includes the word "stud".)
However, the original poster was Roger. He did not include "stud". If anyone would know the correct name, he would.
Of course, I think "Raise It Up, Stud" is a cool name, but in a "That's what she said" sort of way.
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September 24th, 2012 at 7:33:06 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearWhat's the name of the game?
The Wiz page includes "stud" in the heading and intro, as well as the link to Elliot's blog about it. (Elliot also includes the word "stud".)
However, the original poster was Roger. He did not include "stud". If anyone would know the correct name, he would.
Of course, I think "Raise It Up, Stud" is a cool name, but in a "That's what she said" sort of way.
The name of the game is "Raise it Up." No Stud. No Poker.
--Roger
September 24th, 2012 at 7:49:13 PM
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Did a frat brother come up with this name ?
September 24th, 2012 at 9:38:01 PM
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Raise it up is a fairly common expression in certain communities....look it up.
Sort of ironic that it now becomes the name for a casino game though..
Sort of ironic that it now becomes the name for a casino game though..
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
September 26th, 2012 at 10:02:13 AM
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Quote: PacmanThe name of the game is "Raise it Up." No Stud. No Poker.
--Roger
We are eagerly awaiting clarification. The line favors Pacman, but there appears to be some confusion in the house of Shufflemaster.
September 26th, 2012 at 12:21:37 PM
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I am leading in the Football pics and make have caught Roger in a tiny flaw. Does it get any better than this ? LOL
September 26th, 2012 at 3:16:47 PM
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Quote: PacmanThe name of the game is "Raise it Up." No Stud. No Poker.
This press release dated September 26, 2012, calls it "Raise it Up Stud Poker." Here is the pertinent section of the release:
Quote:Fans of Let It Ride will love Raise It Up Stud Poker, a six-card poker game where the player's three cards are combined with three community cards to make a five-card poker hand. The game is comparable to Ultimate Texas Hold'em, except the player is betting against a pay table instead of a dealer and can win with a pair of 10s or better.
After the poor bunny, I am looking forward to seeing the icon you have come up with for this one.
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September 26th, 2012 at 3:28:31 PM
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Roger responded earlier to my emailing him the exact lines you quoted, along with a link to the web. His response was
" I may be wrong " . On a side note, Shufflemaster trademark is for " Raise It Up " .
" I may be wrong " . On a side note, Shufflemaster trademark is for " Raise It Up " .
September 26th, 2012 at 3:40:07 PM
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Well, the trademark application has not been approved (i.e. registered) yet, Buzz. :-)))Quote: buzzpaffRoger responded earlier to my emailing him the exact lines you quoted, along with a link to the web. His response was
" I may be wrong " . On a side note, Shufflemaster trademark is for " Raise It Up " .
September 26th, 2012 at 3:54:10 PM
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My question is, does the pending stop me from trademarking Raise It Up Stud Poker ?
Shufflemaster had Raise It Up trademarked from 2005-2009 before letting it expire.
Shufflemaster had Raise It Up trademarked from 2005-2009 before letting it expire.
October 4th, 2012 at 8:34:07 PM
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Quote: PacmanThe name of the game is "Raise it Up." No Stud. No Poker.
--Roger
At G2E the signage in large letters said " RAISE IT UP " However in tiny tiny print ( you must lean over the table to read it ),
it says " stud poker "
Adding fuel to the rumor that Roger's middle name is TEFLON.
Nothing sticks to him, unless he wants it too !
October 5th, 2012 at 8:06:49 AM
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But " raise it up STUD POKER " is a nice game, really !
March 3rd, 2013 at 10:31:47 PM
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Update: Pala removed the game due to poor performance.
March 4th, 2013 at 9:29:48 AM
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Time to go to the open market to find another good game!
March 4th, 2013 at 9:41:25 AM
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Quote: UCivanTime to go to the open market to find another good game!
Yes, we are always on the prowl for one of those.
March 4th, 2013 at 10:27:44 AM
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Quote: PacmanYes, we are always on the prowl for one of those.
Time to tweak XX Poker? :-)
March 4th, 2013 at 11:44:40 AM
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Quote: PacmanUpdate: Pala removed the game due to poor performance.
Raise It Up Stud removed due to poor performance. Evidently Viagra* does not always work.
* Viagra is a drug that increases the flow of blood to a man's brain.
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March 4th, 2013 at 2:28:29 PM
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Quote: SwitchTime to tweak XX Poker? :-)
Why, does it need tweaking? ;-)
March 4th, 2013 at 4:17:58 PM
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Quote: PacmanWhy, does it need tweaking? ;-)
Maybe not but I have a couple of scenarios to increase the lower payouts. There's always the 'Pair Plus' as well :-)
March 4th, 2013 at 6:07:44 PM
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It will be tough to find another poker game to compete with the current universe of 1CP (Casino War), 3CP, Crazy 4, UTH, PGP Poker. I just don't see casino players or operators screaming for one more way to play poker. SHFL has that market covered with existing offerings even discounting LIR which is now a niche game as opposed to a staple.
BJ is more fertile ground, as Switch has exploited, but a lot of the interest there is from operators wanting to drive hold and win on a game that is their most popular but least profitable in those terms on the floor.
Of course I am in favor of a completely new category of games :-). But that continues to be a high hurdle to get on the floor, as few operators are willing to step that far out on a limb.
BJ is more fertile ground, as Switch has exploited, but a lot of the interest there is from operators wanting to drive hold and win on a game that is their most popular but least profitable in those terms on the floor.
Of course I am in favor of a completely new category of games :-). But that continues to be a high hurdle to get on the floor, as few operators are willing to step that far out on a limb.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:13:54 PM
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There is no dominant 5-card table game now. 5-card Game
March 4th, 2013 at 6:30:31 PM
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Quote: UCivanThere is no dominant 5-card table game now. 5-card Game
Top five-card games, in terms of worldwide installs:
1. Let it Ride: 575
2. Caribbean Stud Poker (and its generic variations): ~450
3. Mississippi Stud Poker: 275
March 4th, 2013 at 6:54:07 PM
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I knew I left out a major up and comer: Mississippi Stud!
LIR & CStud have more installs than I would have guessed. How do you displace one of the existing stable of Poker games with another poker game? UTH was a perfect addition new game driven by the rise in Texas Hold'em phenomena that started with Moneymaker in 2003.
Perhaps an Omaha variant can make it, but I think Omaha needs to become a much more popular game amongst poker players for an Omaha variant to have a chance.
Very tough in my opinion and old tricks of more cards or different player holdings vs. community cards isn't going to be enough to establish a new niche.
LIR & CStud have more installs than I would have guessed. How do you displace one of the existing stable of Poker games with another poker game? UTH was a perfect addition new game driven by the rise in Texas Hold'em phenomena that started with Moneymaker in 2003.
Perhaps an Omaha variant can make it, but I think Omaha needs to become a much more popular game amongst poker players for an Omaha variant to have a chance.
Very tough in my opinion and old tricks of more cards or different player holdings vs. community cards isn't going to be enough to establish a new niche.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:49:19 PM
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Quote: PacmanTop five-card games, in terms of worldwide installs:
1. Let it Ride: 575
2. Caribbean Stud Poker (and its generic variations): ~450
3. Mississippi Stud Poker: 275
How many installs do the dominant UTH and 3CP have? Let's define "dominance".
March 5th, 2013 at 2:27:07 PM
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Quote: UCivanHow many installs do the dominant UTH and 3CP have? Let's define "dominance".
Three Card Poker:~1,600
Ultimate Texas Hold'em: ~750.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:44:19 PM
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UC, I hear what you are saying, but you have three five card games there with 1,300 combined installs and two of them are very long in the tooth, but still doing quite well.
Whether one of them is dominant is I guess up for debate, but they are tried and true five card games and coming up with another five card game that is going to do better than these three in the space is a tough hurdle.
Whether one of them is dominant is I guess up for debate, but they are tried and true five card games and coming up with another five card game that is going to do better than these three in the space is a tough hurdle.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:49:41 PM
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Quote: PacmanThree Card Poker:~1,600
Ultimate Texas Hold'em: ~750.
What is the before/after date when UTH passes TCP in live installs?
My guess is at January 1, 2016 and the install mark being 1400 (i.e. UTH adds 650 tables in that time and TCP loses 200).
March 5th, 2013 at 2:57:36 PM
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I don't think there is anyway UTH gets to ~1400 by 2016 unless the worldwide market is booming a lot more than I think. 1200 tops. Poker games are losing momentum in the casino. No offense Roger.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:31:12 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneI don't think there is anyway UTH gets to ~1400 by 2016 unless the worldwide market is booming a lot more than I think. 1200 tops. Poker games are losing momentum in the casino. No offense Roger.
Agree and disagree.
Agree that UTH will not hit 1,400 by 2016.
Disagree that poker games are losing momentum in the marketplace. Three Card Poker, Mississippi Stud, Ultimate Texas Hold'em have netted a significant number of installs in the past year.
Plus, one of the hottest products out there, 21+3, is a poker-based side bet for blackjack.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:36:59 PM
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Three Card Poker netted installs in 2012?
Didn't really see that coming...influence of the progressive bets?
Didn't really see that coming...influence of the progressive bets?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:04:16 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneThree Card Poker netted installs in 2012?
Didn't really see that coming...influence of the progressive bets?
Three Card Poker was flat in 2012, but it is trending up in '13.
Both UTH and MS had their best years ever in 2012, and they will likely stay in their power bands for a while.
Even venerable titles like Crazy 4 Poker and Four Card Poker are adding placements.
Beyond those, we have some sorta-new games with potential:
Three Card Mulligan
Ultimate Three Card Poker
High Five Poker
6 Card Fortune Pai Gow Poker
Dealer Bluff
And of course, we always maintain a stock of 10+ additional games and side bets ready to launch.
Gotta kiss a lot of frogs, as they say.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:09:19 PM
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Quote: Pacman
Beyond those, we have some sorta-new games with potential:
Three Card Mulligan
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
March 5th, 2013 at 4:38:06 PM
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Guess that 23% annual growth in net tables for UTH is a bit aggressive :-).....you are right Tring! if you use 15% growth, you hit close to 1,200 in 2016, I bet that is achievable.
If a casino has 12 or more tables on the floor and doesn't have UTH, they are really lacking a main staple. Wonder how many casino's, just in US, have table games with 12+ tables?
I have seen properties with 50 tables, five of which are UTH (that same property has a single TCP table)....UTH will pass TCP in installs, it is just a matter of time.
If a casino has 12 or more tables on the floor and doesn't have UTH, they are really lacking a main staple. Wonder how many casino's, just in US, have table games with 12+ tables?
I have seen properties with 50 tables, five of which are UTH (that same property has a single TCP table)....UTH will pass TCP in installs, it is just a matter of time.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:55:32 PM
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Quote: Paradigm
If a casino has 12 or more tables on the floor and doesn't have UTH, they are really lacking a main staple.
3 of 13 Missouri Casinos fit this bill:
Isle of Capri - Cape Girardeau: 21
Isle of Capri - Boonville: 19
Lady Luck: 14
The one casino in the state with less than 12 tables also doesn't have it (St. Jo Frontier).
But another casino with only 13 tables actually does have UTH, along with Crazy4Poker and Texas Shootout...lol (Mark Twain)
March 6th, 2013 at 8:16:16 AM
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Quote: tringlomane3 of 13 Missouri Casinos fit this bill:
Isle of Capri - Cape Girardeau: 21
Isle of Capri - Boonville: 19
Lady Luck: 14
What proprietary games do these casinos offer. If they don't have UTH, they must be holding on to their LIR tables. Time to step it up!
